Oh dear....RSPCA Again!!
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stencilface
High upon a hillside
TBH, there doesn't seem to be much wrong with the dogs, ok, they are not being kept in a house, but some dogs are not kepts as pets. Not defending the man, but the dogs did look fed and had thick coats for the winter.
There is so much that pictures can't show (deliberately) and can be taken in ways to make things look worse. The dog standing looking miserable tied up - my dog looks miserable at some point in every day, and I can assure you he is spoilt rotten...
There is so much that pictures can't show (deliberately) and can be taken in ways to make things look worse. The dog standing looking miserable tied up - my dog looks miserable at some point in every day, and I can assure you he is spoilt rotten...
flowerlady
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The evil B*****ds.
A tin box for shelter in high temperatures.
It doesn't say where they are in the UK? Shame as people may have gone and done similar as we did for the horses.
MurphysMinder
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If you read some of the letters to the RSPCA it says they are in middlesbrough. GSD rescue did buy the oldest dog but seems the owner doesn't want to part with the other 2. It is hard to see from the pictures but the younger dog looks to be very tucked up. He is a long coat and should look very large, I would imagine if you felt him he would be skin and bones under that hair. Agree a tin shelter is totally unsuitable for hot weather (it looks like an old fridge or something
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stencilface
High upon a hillside
Didn't really read the letters (meant to be working!!
)so may have missed the point......
MontyandZoom
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To be honest......I'm probably gonna get shot down for this but I kinda agree with Stencilface. (preparing for onslaught of abuse!)
Although it is by no means ideal, we don't know the whole story. My farmer's dog is an outdoor dog and has access to the barn. However, she chooses to sleep on the doorstep even in the most bitter weather. She is very well cared for, just lives outside.
I know we all wish that animals would be kept only the way that we keep our own, but the RSPCA does have a point in that there are plenty of other cases were animals are in more immediate danger. There are limited resources and they have to prioritise.
Although it is by no means ideal, we don't know the whole story. My farmer's dog is an outdoor dog and has access to the barn. However, she chooses to sleep on the doorstep even in the most bitter weather. She is very well cared for, just lives outside.
I know we all wish that animals would be kept only the way that we keep our own, but the RSPCA does have a point in that there are plenty of other cases were animals are in more immediate danger. There are limited resources and they have to prioritise.
Skippydo
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One of the dogs is kept outside, with no shelter in the freezing snow....HELLO!!!!
MontyandZoom
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One of the dogs is kept outside, with no shelter in the freezing snow....HELLO!!!!
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The RSPCA letter states it DOES have shelter!! I was merely pointing out that sometimes dogs choose not to use their shelter. The fact that it is sitting in the snow doesn't prove it doesn't have shelter.
One of the dogs is kept outside, with no shelter in the freezing snow....HELLO!!!!
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The RSPCA letter states it DOES have shelter!! I was merely pointing out that sometimes dogs choose not to use their shelter. The fact that it is sitting in the snow doesn't prove it doesn't have shelter.
stencilface
High upon a hillside
Yes, but then husky type dogs live outside in the snow in the artic, and I'm pretty sure, although it gets cold up north, its not that cold......
tasteofchristmaschaos
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After the dog was bought, it had to be put down a week later due to advanced lymphoma and kidney failure, which the owner failed to get vet care for. Regardless of the argument, 'should the dog live outside', I think (or at least hope) we can ALL agree that refusing to get vet treatment for such serious conditions counts as animal negect, and therefore the RSPCA should have removed the dog.
Skippydo
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This is the UK, we can have hot summers, they don't in the Artic that's why they have Huskies.
Q. If you walked down your street and saw that dog outside someones front door looking exactly like that, would you honestly walk by thinking it was ok, please honestly?
Q. If you walked down your street and saw that dog outside someones front door looking exactly like that, would you honestly walk by thinking it was ok, please honestly?
MontyandZoom
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I agree that it is really sad and awful and I hate to see animals in pain.
I was in no way trying to justify the treatment of the animal.
I was just trying to put it across from another point of view since the welfare organisations get a huge volume of calls and have to prioritise accordingly.
With the vet treatment, that is inexcusable, however I presume that if the inspectors would have checked the animal over for health problems. Therefore, the condition must have been missed, in which case that shows serious errors made by the RSPCA, or presumably the owner would have had to prove that they had sought vet treatment.
The story is sad and I am happy that the dog is now free of pain, however sadly there are criteria that the RSPCA must fulfill before seizing an animal, even if they think it is the right thing to do.
I was in no way trying to justify the treatment of the animal.
I was just trying to put it across from another point of view since the welfare organisations get a huge volume of calls and have to prioritise accordingly.
With the vet treatment, that is inexcusable, however I presume that if the inspectors would have checked the animal over for health problems. Therefore, the condition must have been missed, in which case that shows serious errors made by the RSPCA, or presumably the owner would have had to prove that they had sought vet treatment.
The story is sad and I am happy that the dog is now free of pain, however sadly there are criteria that the RSPCA must fulfill before seizing an animal, even if they think it is the right thing to do.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
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After the dog was bought, it had to be put down a week later due to advanced lymphoma and kidney failure, which the owner failed to get vet care for. Regardless of the argument, 'should the dog live outside', I think (or at least hope) we can ALL agree that refusing to get vet treatment for such serious conditions counts as animal negect, and therefore the RSPCA should have removed the dog.
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I would think many cases of lymphona are not treated as treatment tends to prolong life rather than truely treat I think.
After the dog was bought, it had to be put down a week later due to advanced lymphoma and kidney failure, which the owner failed to get vet care for. Regardless of the argument, 'should the dog live outside', I think (or at least hope) we can ALL agree that refusing to get vet treatment for such serious conditions counts as animal negect, and therefore the RSPCA should have removed the dog.
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I would think many cases of lymphona are not treated as treatment tends to prolong life rather than truely treat I think.
Skippydo
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I agree that it is really sad and awful and I hate to see animals in pain.
I was in no way trying to justify the treatment of the animal.
I was just trying to put it across from another point of view since the welfare organisations get a huge volume of calls and have to prioritise accordingly.
With the vet treatment, that is inexcusable, however I presume that if the inspectors would have checked the animal over for health problems. Therefore, the condition must have been missed, in which case that shows serious errors made by the RSPCA, or presumably the owner would have had to prove that they had sought vet treatment.
The story is sad and I am happy that the dog is now free of pain, however sadly there are criteria that the RSPCA must fulfill before seizing an animal, even if they think it is the right thing to do.
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Thank you for this level headed post, i guess i'm just really upset about it and am not able to see past the animals suffering.
I agree that it is really sad and awful and I hate to see animals in pain.
I was in no way trying to justify the treatment of the animal.
I was just trying to put it across from another point of view since the welfare organisations get a huge volume of calls and have to prioritise accordingly.
With the vet treatment, that is inexcusable, however I presume that if the inspectors would have checked the animal over for health problems. Therefore, the condition must have been missed, in which case that shows serious errors made by the RSPCA, or presumably the owner would have had to prove that they had sought vet treatment.
The story is sad and I am happy that the dog is now free of pain, however sadly there are criteria that the RSPCA must fulfill before seizing an animal, even if they think it is the right thing to do.
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Thank you for this level headed post, i guess i'm just really upset about it and am not able to see past the animals suffering.
gails
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Cannot load the pictures, however, as has already been said I have no issure with the dogs being outside as long as adequate shelter was avaliable, then it is totally in the hands of the dog as to where it choses to sleep, however I do have issues with any animal not getting medical treatment where needed.
And any owner who wants paying for their dog to get a 'better' life clearly has not interst in the animal
And any owner who wants paying for their dog to get a 'better' life clearly has not interst in the animal
competitiondiva
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One question??? If the GSD rescue were 'monitoring these dogs' and had to pay to get them out... why did they not pursue a case against the owner instead of paying him for the animal??? If the owner was breaking the law or the animal was in distress then the rescue could have pursued a private prosecution themselves and not rely on the rspca...
The rspca are very experienced at realising what is and isn't an offence, but they are reliant on the law and vets supporting cases of suffering, something alot of vets are hesitant to do.
Keeping a dog outside is not illegal as long as its' needs are met by the AWA section 9. Which does not say must be allowed inside etc etc.
We all on this forum I would hope achieve the best standards of keeping our animals, but there are alot of people out there who only maintain good practice, in these cases the animal although not living in luxury like ours is not suffering and still has its' needs met. What the rspca will be looking for are those living/being kept below that level.
The rspca are very experienced at realising what is and isn't an offence, but they are reliant on the law and vets supporting cases of suffering, something alot of vets are hesitant to do.
Keeping a dog outside is not illegal as long as its' needs are met by the AWA section 9. Which does not say must be allowed inside etc etc.
We all on this forum I would hope achieve the best standards of keeping our animals, but there are alot of people out there who only maintain good practice, in these cases the animal although not living in luxury like ours is not suffering and still has its' needs met. What the rspca will be looking for are those living/being kept below that level.
suzysparkle
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My dogs live outside. They have boxes to go in.....but they prefer lying on top! They do come in the house sometimes as well. They are all very happy, healthy, get loads of exercise, have great temperaments and want for nothing. I have huskies....and a collie. And yes, they live out in the hot summer and love sunbathing - as well as lying in the snow!!! There's nothing wrong with keeping dogs outside at all providing they have shelter and somewhere comfy to sleep. No difference to being in a house. Any 'oldies' live in the House if they prefer to.
I do question this rescue place buying the dogs. Good intentions yes but may be encouraging this person to obtain more dogs and hope they buy them as well.
I do question this rescue place buying the dogs. Good intentions yes but may be encouraging this person to obtain more dogs and hope they buy them as well.
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
My dogs live outside too, with a roof and kennel boxes.
I agree the coats can be deceptive - my dog is a lot skinnier than he appears, prolonged exposure to cold weather can promote coat growth. My dog would probably sleep in the open, looking up at the snow, if he could. He is strange
I was initially very concerned when I read about this story.
From the pics, it does not look adequate at all.
Because I have again been forces to look at the 'Urgent Cases' page - somebody needs to stop me doing this - I don't think anyone but me or Murphy'sMinder will care, but the first dog on the page, Max, who looks gorgeous, is described as 'an unusual' mixed colour, as have lots of plain old normal sables on that site.
He is merely a very dark sable, probably from working stock from East Germany or Czech lines, where this pigment is very common indeed.
I agree the coats can be deceptive - my dog is a lot skinnier than he appears, prolonged exposure to cold weather can promote coat growth. My dog would probably sleep in the open, looking up at the snow, if he could. He is strange
I was initially very concerned when I read about this story.
From the pics, it does not look adequate at all.
Because I have again been forces to look at the 'Urgent Cases' page - somebody needs to stop me doing this - I don't think anyone but me or Murphy'sMinder will care, but the first dog on the page, Max, who looks gorgeous, is described as 'an unusual' mixed colour, as have lots of plain old normal sables on that site.
He is merely a very dark sable, probably from working stock from East Germany or Czech lines, where this pigment is very common indeed.
MurphysMinder
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Now I have had to look at the urgent cases ! As you say, a cracking dark sable, very similar to Mums old Evita (who your Ma might remember) not an unusal mixed colour. I was shocked at the bitch bred by GM police yet they wouldn't help rehome her, a friend of a friend raises pups for GM police might mention this one. There is also a 2 year old , sabre, with collar on upside down. Think they do a grand job but sometimes heart can rule head with dogs that may be better pts. From what it says about the dogs in OP it certainly doesn't sound adequate, dogs would be fine outside with good shelter , but I don't like the idea of dogs on very short chains without access to shelter, panicking in storms
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
I have actually recommended Della to someone on here.
I can't believe GMP wouldn't take her back - surely that is more newsworthy, particularly after how much publicity they got during 'Send in the Dogs'.
There are stacks of bog-standard coloured dogs on there described as 'rare and unusual'?!
I can't believe GMP wouldn't take her back - surely that is more newsworthy, particularly after how much publicity they got during 'Send in the Dogs'.
There are stacks of bog-standard coloured dogs on there described as 'rare and unusual'?!