Oh dear

Oh, I am so loving this thread!

Impassioned debate
Informed and un-informed opinions galore
History!
Religion!
IT helpdesk advice
Name-calling (but not too much)

To all the participants - thank you :)

And I too can add a poor-conformation success story: I have a Mare that started with me as a fat, saggy, short-legged, no-muscled ex-brood mare, and is now a glorious, shiny, muscled, toned and absolutely gorgeous Hunter.

No photos, sorry, because I just can't do with all that technological faff.
 
The question is why would you use that picture Of course you can't give a full assessment of conformation from that picture but if you want to buy a horse why would spend time driving to see that one there are loads of others out there ,they could have turned her round and that would have done the trick.
I thought these dealers were supposed to be cunning.
 
Horse looks a bit croup-high to me plus needs feeding up, worming etc., and working to develop some topline, but think the main reason she looks so odd is (a) the angle of the camera and the horse is probably standing on a slope and (b) the rider is sitting like a bag of ferrets and the whole thing would look better if someone put in some effort and bunged on a saddle.

All the other horses from this vendor are shown bareback; and I personally would give anyone a wide berth who couldn't be bothered to present a horse for sale properly.

I went to see a haflinger recently: quite a nice little chap, but very green for a 15 yo and they wanted a good price for it, BUT the saddle they had on it was some old plastic thing that was literally falling to pieces and to make things worse, the stirrup "leathers" (also made of synthetic) were very badly frayed and I was afraid to put any weight on them, especially on a horse I wasn't familiar with. (Note to self, take own stirrups & leathers in future) BUT I think if people can't be bothered to make an effort to present a horse for sale nicely, then they musn't be surprised if people go elsewhere!!!

None of the horses in the advert are shown to their best potential, which is a shame, as probably at least one of them might be worth a look.
 
Thank you all for your lovely comments, it means a lot. She is my first horse and I am very proud of her.

OP surely it's absolutely impossible to judge conformation (or religious persuasion) from one random photo.
Had I applied your amazing skills to do so, I would not have bought Dorrie.

My mare also has impressive bloodlines but it counts for nothing unless they are well cared for 365 days a year.
 
Trot_On_Dressage said:
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DH1 said:
Thank you all for your lovely comments, it means a lot. She is my first horse and I am very proud of her.

OP surely it's absolutely impossible to judge conformation (or religious persuasion) from one random photo.
Had I applied your amazing skills to do so, I would not have bought Dorrie.

My mare also has impressive bloodlines but it counts for nothing unless they are well cared for 365 days a year.
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When I am looking for a horse I have loads and loads to consider so I have to weed though them so you look at the picture and think ok am I prepared to drive x hours to see this. If the picture seems to show something I hate I will discount the horse and I accept I may discount nice horse doing this bit you have make decisions on what will and will not drive to see. Then I read the ads and that will discount more then I speak to the owners and discount more then I see the ones that are left and if lucky one will be the one if not I start again . I have to take judge from the photo what else can I do ,see them all ?
 
Oh, and if anyone wants to join in another thread which has just taken an exciting twist, have a read of this:
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...d.php?t=432271
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Clause 3 - User accounts
3.2 ... Anyone who registers a second usename and then uses it inappropriately will be named on the open forum...

As strange as it may seem biffo, vet263, and 3WISEMEN (a pseudonym that perhaps gives the whole ironic game away) are, if not one and the same person (no prizes guessing which person that may be), all posting from the same internet access point. So, we think it reasonable to assume they at least are aware of each others' existence.
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Wow!
 
After trying to read the best part of the first 12 pages of this thread, I got bored and skipped to the end, at which point I got even more confused as another tread seems to have leapt in?? (did like TFC input into that one!)
Anyway, just thought I'd get my name down to be at least a tiny part of the original topic. The chestnut mare, I'd say was a filly can barely be three looking at her. The dealer who is selling these horses needs some tips and pointers as does the photographer. Just glad there is hardly a saddle in sight, and that can be a good thing in the circumstances?!?
 
cool mix said:
After trying to read the best part of the first 12 pages of this thread, I got bored and skipped to the end, at which point I got even more confused as another tread seems to have leapt in?? (did like TFC input into that one!)
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You should have read it all, very interesting religious discussion a few pages back as well
 
damn, just headed over and the thread's been pulled.. i always miss the fun :(

nice job lionman .. a credit to you.
 
JFTD said:
Interestingly today, most catholics believe and are taught that the wafer and wine are symbolic of the body and blood.

But during the reformation (16th C) Catholics were taught the doctrine of transubstantiation - that after consecration the wafer and wine literally became the body and blood of christ.
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You are mistaken. Catholics do believe in transubstantiation.
That is, that during the mass, the wafer and wine become the actual Body and Blood of Christ. We still hold this to be true, as we did yesterday and will tomorrow. This is central to our faith.
We also belive in the Immaculate Conception and the Ressurrection.
Mad as hatters all of us perhaps, but it is my faith.:D

Bit off topic, sorry all. :D
 
Having read the whole thread:eek: The photos of lionmans horse show how good care can change even the weakest looking horse, he now looks stunning but in the original photos he looked even worse than the one of the mare.

BTW There is a new religious thread just started on confirmation if anyone wants to know more on the subject.
 
horserider said:
You are mistaken. Catholics do believe in transubstantiation.
That is, that during the mass, the wafer and wine become the actual Body and Blood of Christ. We still hold this to be true, as we did yesterday and will tomorrow. This is central to our faith.
We also belive in the Immaculate Conception and the Ressurrection.
Mad as hatters all of us perhaps, but it is my faith.:D

Bit off topic, sorry all. :D
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I am not mistaken - most Roman Catholics I know claim not to believe in transubstantiation and claim not to have been taught it. Clearly you have been brought up in a much more traditional faith. I did say in a previous comment that I had asked all the Roman Catholics I know. I should have been clearer in the later post that by most I meant "those that I have encountered and know well enough to have asked - which is skewed towards younger people".

The RCs I know do believe in the resurrection and the immaculate conception though. I think with all religions the extent to which traditional doctrines are preached and believed varies to some extent.
 
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JFTD said:
I am not mistaken - most Roman Catholics I know claim not to believe in transubstantiation and claim not to have been taught it. Clearly you have been brought up in a much more traditional faith. I did say in a previous comment that I had asked all the Roman Catholics I know. I should have been clearer in the later post that by most I meant "those that I have encountered and know well enough to have asked - which is skewed towards younger people".

The RCs I know do believe in the resurrection and the immaculate conception though. I think with all religions the extent to which traditional doctrines are preached and believed varies to some extent.
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Yes, you did say that the Catholics you knew claimed not to be believe in Transubstantiation, but the belief that the bread and wine becomes the Body and Blood of Christ during the mass is not an optional extra for Catholics to believe or not believe in.
This doctrine has been constant for 2000 years and the teaching is part of the Catechism. Catholics must believe this in order to be Confirmed.

I do agree that some Catholics will have never really understood this particularly if they had a limited Catholic education or they did and then choose not to believe it, but in order to recieve Holy Communion, it is required.


(Now I've bored everyone, I'll shut up.:o)
Back on track in hoping the fortunes of the little mare are about to change for the better.
 
Thank you Rockysmum for putting the photos on for me. He was in a shocking state, his feet were the worst part about him to get right. At one stage I didnt think he would pull through. He would be a good advertisement for Blue Chip Balancer, because thats what helped him on his way to recovery. He is a very naught boy now and always smiling. I think to pull a horse round is so rewarding and makes for a huge bond between horse and rider.
 
Goldenstar said:
The question is why would you use that picture Of course you can't give a full assessment of conformation from that picture but if you want to buy a horse why would spend time driving to see that one there are loads of others out there ,they could have turned her round and that would have done the trick.
I thought these dealers were supposed to be cunning.
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is it not cunning to put up a photo of a sad looking horse knowing that within hours someone will have flagged it on HHo or another forum and then not only have you doubled your audience but possibly guaranteed someone will feel strongly enough to 'rescue' the poor animal;) All the OP has done is fuel this dealers trade:rolleyes: you're not involved with them are you OP:eek: good sales tactic if you are:rolleyes:
 
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