Spudlet
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According to dog trainer I am meant to keep Henry on a lead until we can see her which is the best part of a month away
I can't do this
I can't do this
Oh no oh no oh no
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Slinkyunicorn
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Why?
I don't understand that.
And there is no way I could keep either of mine on a lead for a month - a minute is too long frankly.......
And there is no way I could keep either of mine on a lead for a month - a minute is too long frankly.......
Spudlet
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His recall has been wibbly again, not as bad but he did have a couple of little moments today, so she says not to let him off until she can assess us
I wanted to talk about gundog training but I think I gave the impression that he is a dreadful remedial case
When I don't really think he is, I just need help
So it's either the lead or the long line
I can't do it, I just can't
I wanted to talk about gundog training but I think I gave the impression that he is a dreadful remedial case
I can't do it, I just can't
Slinkyunicorn
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Well I don't blame you!!
The Moo has gone wibbly on his recall to - so you are not alone and he will soon think his name is 'come here you little sh*t!'
- and I think it is purely down the weather and the fact that we just aren't doing as much walking as normal because it is to bloody cold
. Keeping him on the lead/long line would just make it worse - no chance to burn of the excess energy.
Are there no other trainers around?
The Moo has gone wibbly on his recall to - so you are not alone and he will soon think his name is 'come here you little sh*t!'
Are there no other trainers around?
Spudlet
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This person is meant to be very good, and I did like the sound of her but I don't think I can follow this advice on this occasion. I am going to try and get a day off work so I can see them sooner. In the meantime we'll just have to work on recall.
It's worse in this damp because the scent is so much stronger. But when I got him working the cover around me today he was really good, going where he was directed and really getting into the thick of it.
It's worse in this damp because the scent is so much stronger. But when I got him working the cover around me today he was really good, going where he was directed and really getting into the thick of it.
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
That seems a bit extreme. She can assess you when she sees you and if you need to start from scratch, what is a few weeks going to matter?
I agree with SU, won't he be more likely to tank when he hasn't been off for that length of time.
I agree with SU, won't he be more likely to tank when he hasn't been off for that length of time.
Spudlet
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Almost without doubt - I just cannot exercise him enough on the lead, it is not possible. There are not enough hours in the day.
His recall today was ok, he started brilliantly and then deteriorated as we went on, but he still did fine. He got on a trail at one point and went off on it twice (he came back once then headed off on the same trail again!) and went off exploring in the woods once but that was my fault as I wasn't paying attention and let him get a head of steam up. Generally he did quite well. I didn't have enough tasty treats on me either but have got extra supplies in now.
His recall today was ok, he started brilliantly and then deteriorated as we went on, but he still did fine. He got on a trail at one point and went off on it twice (he came back once then headed off on the same trail again!) and went off exploring in the woods once but that was my fault as I wasn't paying attention and let him get a head of steam up. Generally he did quite well. I didn't have enough tasty treats on me either but have got extra supplies in now.
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
OK - I personally would start to put him back on if he is starting to flag. Quit while you are ahead.
Then gradually let him off and recall from short distances, off you go, back, off you go, back, then on again.
So that when it is good and he is doing brilliantly, he knows that it is a good thing, when he goes off on one, no, back on the lead again, if that makes sense. Letting him off again is rewarding him for taking his time on coming back.
When B tanks, there is no chance of getting off for the rest of the walk, of course he is praised for coming back, but tough, fun is over.
JMO!
Then gradually let him off and recall from short distances, off you go, back, off you go, back, then on again.
So that when it is good and he is doing brilliantly, he knows that it is a good thing, when he goes off on one, no, back on the lead again, if that makes sense. Letting him off again is rewarding him for taking his time on coming back.
When B tanks, there is no chance of getting off for the rest of the walk, of course he is praised for coming back, but tough, fun is over.
JMO!
Scranny_Ann
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I can definitely see where she is coming from - as in not letting him 'tank' on a scent on every given opportunity BUT i think she's being a little too cautious (probably to cover her own back more than anything)
I think your best bet is to a) try and get an appointment with her sooner and b) in the meantime try and keep him on the lead/long line as much as you can without making him a psycho ... only you being his mummy will know his enough to access how much lead work is too much.
This may seem nuts, but i have to say i do use this with the young nutty spangles! Lead work is hard, like you say energy wise but they must learn to respect you and control their urge to just bugger off as and when it suits them. I've not found an easy way around this so far, just hours and hours of work! If i find an easy way around lead work and energy control i'll let you know!!!!!!!
I think your best bet is to a) try and get an appointment with her sooner and b) in the meantime try and keep him on the lead/long line as much as you can without making him a psycho ... only you being his mummy will know his enough to access how much lead work is too much.
This may seem nuts, but i have to say i do use this with the young nutty spangles! Lead work is hard, like you say energy wise but they must learn to respect you and control their urge to just bugger off as and when it suits them. I've not found an easy way around this so far, just hours and hours of work! If i find an easy way around lead work and energy control i'll let you know!!!!!!!
Scranny_Ann
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His recall today was ok, he started brilliantly and then deteriorated as we went on, but he still did fine. He got on a trail at one point and went off on it twice (he came back once then headed off on the same trail again!)
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Given his 'issues' on recall, i would say as soon as he starts to deteriorate ... or in this case .... get him back on the lead as soon as he came back after the first recall ... whether it was reasonably successful but not ideal or bloody awful!!
Don't give the opportunity to make matters worse for himself, or indeed you.
His recall today was ok, he started brilliantly and then deteriorated as we went on, but he still did fine. He got on a trail at one point and went off on it twice (he came back once then headed off on the same trail again!)
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Given his 'issues' on recall, i would say as soon as he starts to deteriorate ... or in this case .... get him back on the lead as soon as he came back after the first recall ... whether it was reasonably successful but not ideal or bloody awful!!
Don't give the opportunity to make matters worse for himself, or indeed you.
Spudlet
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He did go back on the lead after each dodgy recall, just not the first one (I don't know what he smelt but it must have been really yummy
)
When he does a good recall I let him go straight off again (unless he needs to be with me for some reason).
He was so good for most of the time, but I have had people sneering at us today and laughing at me and I just feel horrible
When he does a good recall I let him go straight off again (unless he needs to be with me for some reason).
He was so good for most of the time, but I have had people sneering at us today and laughing at me and I just feel horrible
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
Jeez Han, tell them to feck off, they'd have a lot to laugh and sneer at if they'd ever seen me wading and thrashing through knee deep undergrowth with grass and crap in my hair, crying, snivelling, yelling 'PUPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!' hysterically at the top of my voice and inwardly caculating the fee for a court case and PTS order whilst also composing an apologetic letter to Farmer Rog for the death of his prize Scottish Blackface herd and to the local shooting syndicate for the loss of all their pheasants.
Oh and then having to rugby tackle my dog when I eventually found him.
Oh and then having to rugby tackle my dog when I eventually found him.
Spudlet
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We weren't even out at the time - we were in Jollyes in Thetford and the assistant was really rude and patronising
Never going back there again, let me tell you!
So went on our walk full of a we'll show her attitude
We would have done so long as the fat baggage had only been there for the first bit, and the middle bit, and the river bit, and had skipped any intervening bits
So went on our walk full of a we'll show her attitude
We would have done so long as the fat baggage had only been there for the first bit, and the middle bit, and the river bit, and had skipped any intervening bits
Spudlet
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And the end has just dropped off my poker and the fire is going out!
Somebody shoot me
Somebody shoot me
Scranny_Ann
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well first and foremost - IGNORE sneering people and be proud of yourself for what you have done for that spangle!! Bet they would never have got this far and given him the life he deserves .... so UP YOURS SNEERING GITS! And if they don't like it i will send Diesel Dog on them!!!
I think even though you are rewarding him by sending him off again after a good recall, maybe try a treat and start using the command 'steady' when sending him out. So send him out with your hand signal and voice 'steady'. If he is rushing to get out, a short sharp "Henry" and turn around and change direction ...
Do you only recall when it's needed? Or do you recall for no particular reason just because you can?
I think even though you are rewarding him by sending him off again after a good recall, maybe try a treat and start using the command 'steady' when sending him out. So send him out with your hand signal and voice 'steady'. If he is rushing to get out, a short sharp "Henry" and turn around and change direction ...
Do you only recall when it's needed? Or do you recall for no particular reason just because you can?
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
I could say something about the staff in major petstore chains but hey, we're already flogging the dead horse of sterotypes and sweeping statements in the SB
Spudlet
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Sometimes I just recall for the hell of it to practice, not all the time though. He is good normally and will return from scents etc, but obviously the scent was very strong today and as the walk went on he just got more and more into it.
He does also get treated on his return, I had run out of yummy treats though so he has been on shop-bought biscuits (the horror, the horror). So we were also playing games when he came back with sticks and things. Or he was recalled to do a retrieve, which is his new favourite game. That makes it sound like I'm on him every twenty seconds, but really I'm not, it was a really long walk!
I know it's wet to be upset by some sneery woman, I just can't help it
He does also get treated on his return, I had run out of yummy treats though so he has been on shop-bought biscuits (the horror, the horror). So we were also playing games when he came back with sticks and things. Or he was recalled to do a retrieve, which is his new favourite game. That makes it sound like I'm on him every twenty seconds, but really I'm not, it was a really long walk!
I know it's wet to be upset by some sneery woman, I just can't help it
Spudlet
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I could say something about the staff in major petstore chains but hey, we're already flogging the dead horse of sterotypes and sweeping statements in the SB
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Note how I am NOT GOING THERE despite having been formerly employed on that very topic.... NOT GOING THERE
I could say something about the staff in major petstore chains but hey, we're already flogging the dead horse of sterotypes and sweeping statements in the SB
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Note how I am NOT GOING THERE despite having been formerly employed on that very topic.... NOT GOING THERE
Scranny_Ann
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It's good to recall randomly
I know where you are coming from. Currently stating with OH's spangle, 11 month old springer and MY GOD she's head strong. Very very sharp, but when she wants to go, she goes! I can run fast but not like her!! I've taken a new approach now - walking back to the kennels .. minus Jade. She will come back .... she goes on lead and back in kennel without eye contact or any speaking. I've done this twice now and *touch wood* she's not buggered off in over two weeks!!!!!! Method in this madness? I'm still trying to figure that one out but if it works ... it works!
Spudlet
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I hide
I swear people have mistaken me for a flasher on several occasions
And he always comes running back looking very worried indeed, but he just seems to forget about that next time something smelly pops up
kirstyhen
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Hey, don't worry, Otto knocked a little boy off his bike on Saturday
Little sod was very taken with their Cocker (who was off the lead) and wouldn't come back, ran in front of the bike, little boy braked and plopped to the ground
Luckily his Father (as a fellow Spangle owner!) wasn't bothered and I told little boy he was welcome to run Otto over next time!
He also legged it twice whilst I was out with my Dad, after I'd been telling my Dad how well behaved he'd been recently!
Bloody Spaniels!
And tell the sneery women to take the ruddy dog for a walk and see if she can do better!
He also legged it twice whilst I was out with my Dad, after I'd been telling my Dad how well behaved he'd been recently!
Bloody Spaniels!
And tell the sneery women to take the ruddy dog for a walk and see if she can do better!
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
Think about all the mixed messages I am sending out.....On Sundays/when training - Nose to the ground - 'SEEK! Gooood boy'.
Every other day/normal walks - NO! Don't bloody seek THAT!COME BAAAAAACK!'
Every other day/normal walks - NO! Don't bloody seek THAT!COME BAAAAAACK!'
Spudlet
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Oh Otto
You are all making me feel better, thank you
The woman in the shop was being really patronising, basically Henry thought it was RUBBISH that we were looking at toothpaste and not dog biscuits (particularly not the pick and mix ones, which Henry likes to pick
) so was screaming his head off at the outrage
So I insisted he sat and then ignored him until he gave up and was quiet for a few minutes, after which I praised him for being quiet. Cue bloody woman saying 'Oh we have got mummy where we want her, haven't we?'
Followed by her telling me he must be very anxious (try stroppy!) followed by her making a snorting noise when I mentioned that he was going to be a working dog
And it riled me, but as normal I didn't say anything
You are all making me feel better, thank you
The woman in the shop was being really patronising, basically Henry thought it was RUBBISH that we were looking at toothpaste and not dog biscuits (particularly not the pick and mix ones, which Henry likes to pick
Followed by her telling me he must be very anxious (try stroppy!) followed by her making a snorting noise when I mentioned that he was going to be a working dog
And it riled me, but as normal I didn't say anything
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
Like I say, I wouldn't want to cast aspersions on every staff member of major petstore chains
but this woman sells food and squeaky toys, she is not a trainer or a behaviourist.
Sure I was told by a trainer that I would 'never' get B over dog agression, yes, he had a wee grumble at our friend's female on Saturday (part of a pack of three that were running free on his territory and he was majorly told off), but yesterday he nearly wet himself when an ickle fluffy puppy gave him a bollocking
Sure I was told by a trainer that I would 'never' get B over dog agression, yes, he had a wee grumble at our friend's female on Saturday (part of a pack of three that were running free on his territory and he was majorly told off), but yesterday he nearly wet himself when an ickle fluffy puppy gave him a bollocking
Spudlet
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Bless B, was it a very scary puppy?
I know that all you say is right, the woman just touched a nerve
I know that all you say is right, the woman just touched a nerve
numptynoelle
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There is clearly only one sensible solution:
We need to assemble the AAD Spangle Army - and we shall march upon the Sneery Wench and give her what-for.
(GSDs/Corgis/Labs/SkinnyDogs/Rotties/FLHs/Pugs/Terriers/Vizzys all welcome - Spangle Army shall be all-encompassing!...but mostly Spangle-fied)
Sneery Wench shall watch and crumble as Spangle Army take over her territory, reducing her to a gibbering wreck as General Henry wrecks his revenge. She'll never doubt his working dog credentials again.... *Dun Dun DUNNN!*
(Can you tell I had fun writing this? Would make a decent screenplay I reckon...
)
We need to assemble the AAD Spangle Army - and we shall march upon the Sneery Wench and give her what-for.
(GSDs/Corgis/Labs/SkinnyDogs/Rotties/FLHs/Pugs/Terriers/Vizzys all welcome - Spangle Army shall be all-encompassing!...but mostly Spangle-fied)
Sneery Wench shall watch and crumble as Spangle Army take over her territory, reducing her to a gibbering wreck as General Henry wrecks his revenge. She'll never doubt his working dog credentials again.... *Dun Dun DUNNN!*
(Can you tell I had fun writing this? Would make a decent screenplay I reckon...
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
PMSL
Han, yeah, it is a longcoat and is a little bit freaky looking and with a huge gob on her
Han, yeah, it is a longcoat and is a little bit freaky looking and with a huge gob on her
Spudlet
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PMSL!
But PLEASE don't tell Henry he is a General, I have enough trouble as it is
But PLEASE don't tell Henry he is a General, I have enough trouble as it is
kirstyhen
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I always get advice I didn't ask for, OH would tell you how many time I've ranted to him about people assuming I'm a complete pleb!
I had a lady at Burghley telling my very loudly how to stop my dog pulling, so loudly the entire shop stopped to have a good gawp, the thing was, Otto wasn't pulling!! He had a halti on so I could stop him shoving his nose where it didn't belong!!
Although, I do enjoy telling people what my Degree is in after they've given me a lecture on how best to feed/train/look after my horse
I had a lady at Burghley telling my very loudly how to stop my dog pulling, so loudly the entire shop stopped to have a good gawp, the thing was, Otto wasn't pulling!! He had a halti on so I could stop him shoving his nose where it didn't belong!!
Although, I do enjoy telling people what my Degree is in after they've given me a lecture on how best to feed/train/look after my horse
MurphysMinder
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Evie would love to be an honorary spangle to put sneery wench in her place
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Spudlet, I've been caught out doing the hiding bit as well, not particularly to get them to come back but because its a fun game to hide behind the big oak tree. Felt a right prat when I saw chap setting mole traps in the same field, but probably only confirmed what all the neighbours think about me.
Spudlet, I've been caught out doing the hiding bit as well, not particularly to get them to come back but because its a fun game to hide behind the big oak tree. Felt a right prat when I saw chap setting mole traps in the same field, but probably only confirmed what all the neighbours think about me.