bonny
Well-Known Member
Did the vet stop at stage 2 ? I thought he found her fit for purpose but with concerns about the future ? Ignore me, I’ve just read they did stop at stage 2 !
Ok folks....the wait is over (hopefully..!!)
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ycbm
Overwhelmed
The seller has been reading this thread and now threatened legal action for slander. I have explained it would be libel and only then if what was said was untrue.
I'm hoping they will join and have their say
Interesting bu, as if by magic, the ad has been removed.
WOW. I'd like to see them try!
Small claim will cost you £25 to start it, which you will get back when you win unless your receipt says non refundable on it. You can raise it now online. Crack on!
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Goldenstar
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The seller has been reading this thread and now threatened legal action for slander. I have explained it would be libel and only then if what was said was untrue.
I'm hoping they will join and have their say
Interesting bu, as if by magic, the ad has been removed.
All they have to do is return your money then all this will go away .
ester
Not slacking multitasking
certainly puts a different spin on it for me
Hormonal Filly
Well-Known Member
How can you tell, have they posted?
Really hope you get your deposit back SLH, hopefully now they've read the forum they'll come to a arrangement.
SatansLittleHelper
Well-Known Member
The seller has messaged me and would like me to state (again) that the vet effectively did not FAIL her. As I have said, he stated she would be fit for purpose in the SHORT TERM and had extreme doubts about her long term soundness particularly as she is NOT sound now. His advice was to "proceed with extreme caution ". He also stated later on that day over the phone that he had discussed with another vet who had a different opinion on the "fit for purpose ".
Having just spoken to someone who knows more about the legal side of things they have said the seller made a mistake by stating in the ad that she HAS NO HEALTH ISSUES. If they had stated no KNOWN health issues they'd have been better off. It could be claimed that there was "intention to decieve".
Having just spoken to someone who knows more about the legal side of things they have said the seller made a mistake by stating in the ad that she HAS NO HEALTH ISSUES. If they had stated no KNOWN health issues they'd have been better off. It could be claimed that there was "intention to decieve".
ycbm
Overwhelmed
Give the money back, if you are reading this, seller. It's not SLH's fault that you tried to sell a horse with issues, whether you knew about them or not, and she needs that money to buy a horse which doesn't have the vetting stopped for neurological issues.
It's only fair, she has already lost the same amount on the vetting that she has to pay for, so all you are doing is going halves on the loss.
Legally, you don't have a leg to stand on because you cannot now complete your side of the bargain by supplying a horse which has no health issues, which is what you advertised.
No decent seller ever withholds the deposit on a vet failure.
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It's only fair, she has already lost the same amount on the vetting that she has to pay for, so all you are doing is going halves on the loss.
Legally, you don't have a leg to stand on because you cannot now complete your side of the bargain by supplying a horse which has no health issues, which is what you advertised.
No decent seller ever withholds the deposit on a vet failure.
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ycbm
Overwhelmed
Vets rarely fail or pass, they give the client the information to make a judgement and the client decides if that's a pass or fail for them.
Having said that, a booked five stage stopped at two stage would, in most people's eyes, most definitely be classed as a failure.
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
However the vet did stop the vetting at Stage 2, rather than continuing the 5 stage, didn't he?
Leo Walker
Well-Known Member
If I didnt have the deposit in my hand by close of business today and that ad wasnt changed to reflect the truth I would go nuclear with this. That ad, the sellers name and full details of the failed vetting would be spread on every online platform I could find. The sellers would also find themselves on every dodgy dealer page going as well. I have nothing but time on my hands if you would like a hand doing that.
And I would dearly love them to sue me for slander or indeed libel. You need deep pockets to do that, oh and the person you are suing has to be lying, which you are not.
I wonder how many times this mare has been vetted and failed since February? At £200 a time and having agreed to sell her for £2200 then it only takes 11 times and they have made the purchase price and still have the horse. Nice littler earner for all involved!
And I would dearly love them to sue me for slander or indeed libel. You need deep pockets to do that, oh and the person you are suing has to be lying, which you are not.
I wonder how many times this mare has been vetted and failed since February? At £200 a time and having agreed to sell her for £2200 then it only takes 11 times and they have made the purchase price and still have the horse. Nice littler earner for all involved!
Hormonal Filly
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@SatansLittleHelper Change of subject, sorry! Just noticed this advert while having a browse.. he seems a lovely type, and about a hour away from you I calculated? Either been 'updated' or 'added' within the last day as only was viewing recent adverts.
https://www.dragondriving.co.uk/horseforsale-133240.html Hes a nice size and has a 'kind eye' as they say.. don't know anything about the dealer mind (assume its a dealer)
https://www.dragondriving.co.uk/horseforsale-133240.html Hes a nice size and has a 'kind eye' as they say.. don't know anything about the dealer mind (assume its a dealer)
bonny
Well-Known Member
They seem to have reduced the price by £25, that will do the trick !
Hormonal Filly
Well-Known Member
Lol.. didn't notice that! Can only assume its to bump the advert up.. bit pointless to reduce by £25 unless any other reason. He has a few on Facebook for sale that look genuine horses, Connies etc but can never tell!
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SatansLittleHelper
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I'd like to just ad that the stage change in vetting was simply watching the horse being lunge and the vet and I both decided we didn't need to go ahead with the ridden stuff. The vet has been amazing to be fair.
There was no "might" on needing further investigations, he said the issues WOULD need them.
There was no "might" on needing further investigations, he said the issues WOULD need them.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
i had seen his ad on pets4homes some time ago and thought he seemed a bit too good to be true, the ad went a bit overboard on saying vetting blood testing etc all ok to be done..and SLH had already arranged a viewing of a horse so didnt mention him....the ad was for £3000 and expired on 18th may so been on there for quite a while....i do like the look of him for SLH and if the ad is truthful he would be perfect...
SatansLittleHelper
Well-Known Member
I have sent the seller my bank details and requested a refund by 8pm or I will start with the small claims court.
Just checked receipt and it does NOT state its non refundable
I will go ahead with this, it's the principle as well as the money now.
Just checked receipt and it does NOT state its non refundable
I will go ahead with this, it's the principle as well as the money now.
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SpringArising
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That's exactly the route I think they're taking with this.
SpringArising
Well-Known Member
That's a gorgeous looking horse who is very well put together too. I'm extremely suspicious of the price - that horse would sell for 7k if he's what they're saying.
Hormonal Filly
Well-Known Member
True, the dealer also has a Connie for sale for the same price region. 14.2 8yr old, perfect in every way according to add that he posted on Facebook yesterday and hes had hundreds of comments on it. He also sounds very cheap for what he is.. mmm, Link to his add
Proceed with caution but just noticed what a lovely kind eye he had.
I did notice he put adverts up seeking horses/ponies to buy at dealer prices, yet haven't found anything bad so far but not on 'dodgy dealers' group so can't say for sure. If he does have something underling, why write 5* vetting, xray.. do they think you won't notice?
AdorableAlice
Well-Known Member
forelimb pastern angle.
SpringArising
Well-Known Member
Low possibly. Loath to make a judgement given he's standing in long grass. Either way, not something that would concern me.
Nice shoulder, well set on neck - if not a little short -, strong back and nice hind limbs.
I reckon the dealer's name is so muddy he has to flog everything dirt cheap, or the horse is a dud in some way.
eggs
Well-Known Member
Not too keen on the way he is standing camped out in the first photo.
TPO
Fly paper for freaks 🍀
SLH you are clearly not a timewaster, you paid for a vet to come up and you were there for the vetting. It's not your fault that the horse is not fit for purpose you wanted to buy it!!!
If the seller is reading this and still not returning your money then they are a thief. They know you were not a timewaster and they now know the horse is not fit for purpose and has underlying health issues. Small claims will sort it in no time and then I'd make sure everyone knew not to deal with a seller who attempts to steal money by keeping what is not theirs to keep. Disgusting behaviour!!
If the seller is reading this and still not returning your money then they are a thief. They know you were not a timewaster and they now know the horse is not fit for purpose and has underlying health issues. Small claims will sort it in no time and then I'd make sure everyone knew not to deal with a seller who attempts to steal money by keeping what is not theirs to keep. Disgusting behaviour!!
Fransurrey
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A vetting doesn't actually have a 'pass' or 'fail', as others have said. If the vet said she was unsound now (for WHATEVER reason) and advised not to proceed further with the next 3 stages, then it is what is known as a fail, even if not in black and white. On the report it will say that the condition of the horse presented does or does not compromise suitability for purpose (or words to that effect) for "insert activity here". Good luck with the deposit - I think you're right to pursue this.
Meowy Catkin
Meow!
Ridden Clydesdale mare. https://www.dragondriving.co.uk/horseforsale-133720.html
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
I agree with both of these comments .
He’s nice but .............that’s two issues before you have even made the phone call .
I also think he’s a bit small for SLH
SatansLittleHelper
Well-Known Member
Guys has someone posted on Facebook about this horse as I'm now getting a load of backlash from the seller..????
She's saying I'll get my deposit if I delete this thread and FB posts. I know NOTHING about any FB posts..??!!
She's saying I'll get my deposit if I delete this thread and FB posts. I know NOTHING about any FB posts..??!!
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rowan666
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What a mess! I feel so sorry for you SLH, it's such a shame you've had all these issues when all you seek is a sensible and sound, happy hacker type (please correct me if I'm wrong but that's the impression I get) I really hope you get your deposit back, I can't believe the sellers are being so awkward and downright nasty! She looked like a lovely mare and I'm sure she is but having read your vets report i suspect if I were (and I would never) sell my Arab X that the report would be reading very similar (bar sore frogs and uneven muscle because his muscle as he is equally bad on both sides of his back end) but as owners we should all be aware of our horses short comings, I wouldn't market mine above 1.2k max (expecting to be haggled down) he's a fabulous happy hacker, bomproof on roads and tries his heart out but im realistic on price! They should apologetically return your deposit and market/offer you the horse at a more realistic price.
Good luck in your search and I look forward to seeing your thread on the perfect horse for you, vetting passed and making all this heartache worth it xx
Good luck in your search and I look forward to seeing your thread on the perfect horse for you, vetting passed and making all this heartache worth it xx
TPO
Fly paper for freaks 🍀
She is in the wrong withholding your money that she is not legally entitled to. She doesn't get to make the demands.
Once the money is refunded then you get this thread deleted. She has already proven that she is not trustworthy.
JFTDWS
+++ Out of Cheese Error +++
Well it's not up to the seller to make those sort of demands. It's not in their jurisdiction. You'll get your money back through small claims court, regardless of their nonsense.