OK here we go. Your views

Katt said:
I'll spill all what I have to say then;

Your grammer is bloomin awful!

And you haven't actually asked a meaningful question so there can be no right answer. So I'm thinking troll like behaviour!
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I did not say i was a English teacher:p
 
Misinterpreted said:
OK, so the poor animal is either starved and neglected, or terribly ill.

If lack of worming has reduced the pony to this level, I would say there's damage inside the gut.

I saw a grass sickness case once and the pony became quickly emaciated looking before it was put down (but I don't think cases of that generally happen this time of year).

So, what's the story?
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Yes starved, neglected and was terribly ill on Thur eve/Fri morn lack of worming did cause damage inside the gut.
 
MontyandZoom said:
I'm guessing (forgive me if I'm wrong) that this is some sort of snidey reference to your last post when people assumed, perhaps wrongly, that your worming questions were about this horse.

TBH, it would probably have been easier to simply explain what was wrong with the horse/the story rather than being so cryptic. At the end of the day....on a forum of horse lovers.....people are going to say something about a horse in that condition!
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I was not being snidey, i leave that to others. Yes comment when you know the truth.
 
posie_honey said:
my first thought was needs feeding up gradually - possible teeth checking to ensure it can chew properly... possiblly bloods taken to find out why so thin if unknown - unless it's obvious neglect... maybe recovering from grass sickness... the sores on the withers suggests either ill fitting saddle or - and prob more probable imho - rug - goes with sore on rump too then... rescue case maybe?

i actually think i understand why you put this up = i figure you replied to a thread about intelligent worming - or maybe started a thread asking what people thought of it? and instead of getting constructive responses i figure you got asked about the piccies in your signature - so instead of taking the intelligent worming thread off topic you decided to post thses piccies so people could jump to conlusions about the horse on this thread instead of the original thread... am i right?
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Yes she did need feeding gradually, Her teeth were awful for a 3 year old through malnutrition, bloods were taken showing malnutrition and a protein level of 10, 1/3 of what it should have been, liver and kidneys fine but body packing up due to lack of protein through gut damage through worms.

Sores were from a rug.
It was true neglect. Yes a rescue. Left to die as were three others that died or were put down in similar states.

You are spot on why i started a new thread. I was genuinly interested in intelligent worming and did not wish to go off course.
 
Black_Horse_White said:
Firstly he/she needs urgent vet treatment, if it has not recieved any. Then correct me if i'm wrong. Moving to a field or livery yard. It looks to me by the picture it is kept in a back yard.
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Urgent vet treatment was given with blood tests.
It was moved. It was put in that place in an emergancy and whilst the vet came. She dfeinately was not kept in a back yard but i do accept your point.
 
trundle said:
Since you havent bothered to ask a sensible question, its quite hard to give a sensible answer. I havent read the worming thread, so don't know what point you are trying to make but here are my initial thoughts.

The horse needs medical attention and a good meal

Why is it in this condition - assuming its a rescue, perhaps the RPSCA/WHW need to be involved in bringing a prosecution against the owner. I cant see any justification for EVER letting a horse get to that state. If its ill and losing weight and condition whatever you do, then do the decent thing and have the poor creature PTS in a dignified fashion.

So what point ARE you trying to make?
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If you read the worming thread you may have understood my not wishing taking that thread off course. I started this for people to pass their comments and ask questions as they were in the other thread.
I will not comment on those involved in this case, it is a long story but i wholly agree the owner needs prosecuting at least or beeter treating as he treated his horses.
 
Misinterpreted said:
OK. I've just read the intelligent worming thread, which I hadn't seen before. The OP doesn't answer everyone's questions about this horse's condition on that thread either, so I am perhaps assuming this person is trying to court controversy and wants to create a huge long running thread and will continue to wind us all up.

My initial thoughts are that the OP is very inexperienced and could do with some good advice, but by winding us all up, she isn't going to get the help she needs.

I will be blocking this OP. There is nothing more I can add that won't be said by everyone else and I get terribly upset seeing neglected horses.
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Not trying to wind anyone up. Those that get wound up do it themselves. I will not be bait for a pack of dogs. I am open to discussion but not attack, hence asking for views but the pack of dogs do not wish to show their ignorence at last.

Please note that is not all, just a few!!!!!
 
DiablosGold said:
Perhaps it would have been easier for readers of the intelligent worming thread if OP had stated 'not to do with rescue case in sig' or something along those lines, rather than getting annoyed with people offering helpful advice/expressing their shock at unexplained photos of seriously skinny horse.

I would really appreciate an explanation of those photos before Tuesday though, as I'm sure other members would.
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I do realose my mistake on that one. I was playing around at the time and was still working on it.
 
R2R said:
My view is a horse should never be allowed to get in that state, whether by worming (intelligent or not) neglect or letting health issues go on until the horse appears as the one in your photos.

Regardless of how it got there in the first place, it is (IMHO) unethical, cruel and not in the horses best interest to let it get in that state.

There is a case for questioning whether it would be more humane to have it PTS – if it is a case of neglect/starvation then intensive rehabilitation is hard enough, let alone if it has liver/kidney damage or any other underlying health issue.
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I agree. Sadly she was put to sleep Fri morning battling for life that was impossible to give her.
 
horses13 said:
I agree. Sadly she was put to sleep Fri morning battling for life that was impossible to give her.
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If she was PTS surely your sig is irrelevant now? We couldn't possibly follow her progress...one of the first things i'd have removed would be the sig, out of respect for the poor horse and to stop people jumping down your neck. But you seem to enjoy it. I don't understand some people.
 
And you've already claimed to be Silver FLorin, hence why people are getting very very confused!!

Originally Posted by horses13
Hi,
i was previously Silver Florin on here. Just got the internet back, signed up and found this.
I must be mad - well people who knew me before on here know i cannot keep my mouth shut when it comes to horses- but i do tend to act first, think later.
This story is actually a long story i am not aloud to speak about as i would like.
This last mare should not have been left to die.
It was heartbreaking. She had been partially eaten by animals whilst laid dieing.
We are a small charity. Horse and Hound members have helped us in the past and given huge support to me.
I was actually giving up as we cannot carry on.
When i get my camera back i will put on the photo of our latest resident. Shocking is not the word.
She had laid down to die. I do not know how she is still alive.
I am in a rush but hi to everyone, i have missed you all.
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ischa said:
ive breifly read the other post ,and can say i think alot of people have jumped to the wrong concluesion without asking full story which is why the poster has reply in this manor .
i do think this horse could possibly be a rescue case beause poster is or was from a small charity . i would say possibly the owners have releyed on Intelligent worming and as we know majority of time worm counts can not pick up some worms which can be left if we dont use the correct wormer obversly we worm with what we told to worm with . if not not to worm which could possibly be the reason for the horse being underweight
i might be totaly wrong
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Nice to find another of the few sensible people i have come across on here.
You are right about people jumping to conclusions, which is why i did this.
This is a rescue case that was taken in by a small charity. Unfortunately the only wormers this pony has ever seen was when it came to SF the first time. Unfortunately she had to give it back and found it dieing with another horse a couple of weeks ago.
 
MontyandZoom said:
I'm sorry but if you work for a rescue.....you should be grateful that people ask questions when they see a horse in this condition!!!! :mad: We have seen cases where people do not realise how poor their horse is and if it weren't for people jumping to conclusions, the horses would remain that way.

All it would have taken is a short explanation. FGS, would you prefer us to walk past a field with a horse in seriously bad condition and think 'there is probably a good explanation so I'll just leave it'.
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Asking questions is one thing, jumping to conclusions and making up your own story is another!

Seeing a horse that looks unwell etc, i would make enquiries and find out if help is needed, if everything was being done, or if it was neglect. I would not wade in guns blaring making up a story to fit what i wished to believe.
 
russianhorse said:
I havent a problem with that, and I'm not bothered if you are silver Florin or a friend - there just appears to be some confusion over it.

I just cant understand why you are popping threads all over the joint deliberately getting posters to jump to conclusions, when it would be far nicer just to give a quick answer about that horse/pony/donkey/mule/camel rather then playing guessing games.
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No confusion SF is my FRIEND!!!! I help her. How many times does it have to be said?
It is people jumping to conclusions not be causing it.
 
spaniel said:
If this is some sort of silly game please ignore the PM I sent you offering help. Im not here to be mucked about and there are horses out there who genuinely warrant my time.
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It is not a silly game i i greatly apreciate your offer of help. I would not muck a genuine person about. Thankyou for your offer. I will pm you soon.
 
bitlessbill said:
Bound to make people suspicious when one minute you ARE Silver Florin, the next you are a FRIEND of Silver Florin and you start contraversial antagonistic posts all over the place that are obviously designed to wind us all up with no understandable explanation!!
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I am one person SF is another:rolleyes:
 
teddyt said:
I dont know what all this is about.

What i think about the state of the horse-
1) its old and has been fed inappropriately.
2) neglected
3) seriously ill

I shouldnt think its grass sickness because i would expect it to be dead if it were but that is a slight posibility.

The growth rings on the feet suggest starvation to me, if not long term then certainly periods of it. This is either intentional or as said, inappropriate feeding that the horse cant chew or digest.

The sore on the withers from rugs also suggests neglect- its quite big although not raw. There are ways to prevent this, which havnt been done.

Whatever the cause i really hope that the horse is under close veteinary supervision and its lucky to be alive. I hope that its state is not man made but i strongly suspect it is.
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She was 3 years old but i see why she looked old. She was not fed, she lived off dead brambles.
Yes she was neglected.
Yes she became seriously ill and sadly lost her battle Fri morning. SF put a stop to her suffering.
The growth rings are from starvation. I would say it is
The sore was from a rug. intentional as the owner did nothing.
She was under close veterianery care when rescued. She showed inprovement but the worm damage was too severe for her to survive.
I do regret putting the photo's up. When she was rescued it looked like she would not pull through but then grew stronger and improved greatly giving us hope.
I wanted to do pics for SF showing her improvement but it has backfired, which i truly regret.
 
Rotchana said:
Go and play your sillygame of "I know something you don't and I will have power over you all, by smugly withholding" somewhere else.
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No silly game, there are many people who think they know everything on here when they know nothing. They make up what they wish to believe.
Not everyone may i add again. Most people are genuine and i am in no way having a dig at you.
 
madhossy said:
My question is, why is the horse living in an outside yard with straw? How are you going to keep that bed dry when it rains?

Very strange post, as others have said on here. Perhaps you can tell us the story then??
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Does this horse live in outside yard with straw?
No it didn't. It was there for 3 hours in an emergancy awaiting vet and transport.:rolleyes:
 
joeanne said:
Well as you didnt see fit to ANSWER any of the questions on the other thread i'll ask again
Is the horse old?
Have bad teeth?
Have a terribly neglectful owner perhaps?
Whether it was caused by you or someone else, the end result is the same. That horse needs to see a vet, and a dentist....in that order.
Cr*p like that does not happen overnight, it takes many months unless there has been a serious underlying medical issue which could possibly cause it.
Either way you are being less than honest yourself. You could have answered the questions asked on the other thread.
And as has been pointed out before, unless you have a split personality, you have already admitted on another post you are indeed Silver Florin. You may have a problem with your short/long term memory, but please do not assume we all suffer from it too!
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I did not answer in the other thread as i did not wish the tread to go off course.
No the horse was not old she was 3.
She did have bad teeth through malnutrition.
She did have a neglectful owner as did the other 3 that died in the same field.
She did see a vet when rescued. She saw a vet before being rescued actually, a different vet.
It did take time for her become in that state bless her. Which makes it worse i think, she syuffered for longer.

I do not suffer with memory. Maybe you need to learn to read or live in a land of make believe:rolleyes:
 
itsme123 said:
I haven't read all the replies, but I would hazard a guess that this is something to do with red worms? The worms lie dormant and can attack at a later date and no amount of worming will save this animal. And worm counts don't show them.

We had a horse with this on a yard I worked on, he was given all the treatment money could buy, but sadly died. No amount of food (and he was getting bucketfuls) made a difference. His worm counts showed clear, but after his death it showed a different story.

Worm counts show bog all...... never in my life have I seen an animal go through what that horse did. And all down to incorrect worming at some point in his short life. The vets, experts, everyone was baffled until after he died and he was cut open.

If it is what I think it is then I suspect this horse won't recover.
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You are so spot on.
She had a masses of red worms. They caused so much internal damage she could not be saved no matter how much the vet insisted she was going to save her.
The vet also said the same about worm counts.
She treated a horse that passed pure redworms as droppings yet the worm count was clear.
SF said she would die after she wormed her. SF wanted her shot Thur but other people got involved and she was not put out of her suffering until Fri.
The poor horse battled for life but her body gave up.
 
Farrierlover said:
Wow, everyone is harsh today! The pony is seriously thin, looks like it has been severely neglected. Needs a Vet to see it, needs some decent nutrition. Don't know if it's old- its tail looks like it might just be a baby. Sad to see but it looks like it has just been rescued as it has a bucket of feed, clean straw and just been brushed. Hope it gets better soon. :(
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You are spot on.:)
 
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