OK here we go. Your views

jensheff26 said:
i did think that this forum was a place to talk about horses and seek advice if needed, in the past few days there seems to be more biatching going on than the worse livery i know of whats going on??? i personally think people should ignore this and any other thread of its nature as it gets overheated and personal. come on guys lets just all be friendly
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I was told this was a friendly place but with a pack of hunting dogs:p I always seem to attract hunting dogs:confused: I have also received some extremely nice pm's and some logical replies on here from people that seem very nice.
 
hannah9000 said:
And you've already claimed to be Silver FLorin, hence why people are getting very very confused!!
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Originally Posted by horses13
Hi,
i was previously Silver Florin on here. Just got the internet back, signed up and found this.
I must be mad - well people who knew me before on here know i cannot keep my mouth shut when it comes to horses- but i do tend to act first, think later.
This story is actually a long story i am not aloud to speak about as i would like.
This last mare should not have been left to die.
It was heartbreaking. She had been partially eaten by animals whilst laid dieing.
We are a small charity. Horse and Hound members have helped us in the past and given huge support to me.
I was actually giving up as we cannot carry on.
When i get my camera back i will put on the photo of our latest resident. Shocking is not the word.
She had laid down to die. I do not know how she is still alive.
I am in a rush but hi to everyone, i have missed you all.


It seems the only post you haven't answered is Hannah900s so I will ask the question again, how do you explain your post in LN claiming to be Silver Florin.
 
shysmum said:
The problems here are

- that these pictures have been posted which are going to shock any horse lover.
- that the OP has decided to play a riddle/game with us
- possibly to slag off a welfare organisation or a member here
- that people are biting ?

Although I hope to god that the horse is ok, I will slam this thread in the troll drawer, as the suspense is NOT killing me.... I have an idea what it's about. I will also flame the original post.
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The pictures were not put on to shock. I have apologised for that.
I am not playing a game just asked what people had made up.
Hunting dogs bite;)
 
shysmum said:
The problems here are

- that these pictures have been posted which are going to shock any horse lover.
- that the OP has decided to play a riddle/game with us
- possibly to slag off a welfare organisation or a member here
- that people are biting ?

Although I hope to god that the horse is ok, I will slam this thread in the troll drawer, as the suspense is NOT killing me.... I have an idea what it's about. I will also flame the original post.
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I do not slag off anyone, i leave that to the dogs. I prefer to find out the reasoning behind welfare organisations. I do not slag off without "KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING" the full story:)
 
pastie2 said:
Well I dont know what is going on, but Ifindthose photos shocking. I am concerned that a pony looking in that state can be part of any trollism, I want to know that something has been done about this poor animal.
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Something was being done about this poor mare.
 
toffee44 said:
I know this is a forum and although we know eachother by user name we don't all know each other off here ( I know some do) but when there is a thread like this (and the cob one) where are the moderators or is this a free for all?? Sorry bit peeved there seems to be a few stirring threads recently. I came on here for advice and horse chat not a bitch fight!
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Exactly why i looked into here:)
 
arwenplusone said:
Instead of putting up a thread DELIBERATELY to cause people to start an argument/debate why not put up the pictures with a simple explanation of why the horse looks this way and a view of how you are treating it.

IMO that would have been a far more mature & reasonable way to deal with this.

Yes, people jump to conclusions, but if you give them the full story then the conclusions are less likely to be wrong.

Unless of course you are attention seeking - then, yes using a horse to do this is a bit sick, and pointless.
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As i said before i now realise it was thoughless to put up the pic in my first thread. I have apologised. As we deal with such things daily i think i have become immune to the sight but not the horse if you understand that. I see the picture as it were and go into motion of treatment.
I was going to put up pictures of recovery.
I did not wish to cause argument but when attacked i will stand my ground. The dogs went away when i did.:p
 
So what is the story here with this poor mare? I see that she has now been pts, but how did she come to be in such a state - and were other horses involved and also rescued??
 
ShellCoburn said:
This thread is making my brain bleed......

Seriously though, I really hope the poor animal in question has either been put to sleep or has received care and is on its way back to full health.

If presented with photographs like this I would want to know what the background of the animal was, do a worm count and then have appropriate worming done, have bloods taken to check for other issues, get teeth looked at and if needed have work done on them, start the animal on hay, hay and more hay, and introduce a mineral block and over time slowly introduce some easily digestable pellets in small amounts and often.

Or I would put the poor thing out of its misery asap.

I would like to know the real story behind the horse, but if the OP is going to be cagey about it, like I said - I just HOPE that the horse has either been put down or helped.
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This is more what i would expect by someone seeing a horse such as this. Much more helpful and correct in the feeding.
 
Booboos said:
I don't really see the point of this OP.

A number of people responded to your thread about intelligent worming and they addressed the issue directly. Then your siggie appeared which showed a severely emaciated horse - in a horse lovers forum it's fairly normal that people would be shocked and asked about this poor horse. If you had explained the photos then that would have been the end of it (I imagine a number of people would have offered advice and help if you had needed it). Instead the photos as being used to generate discussion - why? What is the point of this?

If you have rescued this animal, good on you!!!! Please post more pics of his/her progress, I am sure we would all like to see the improvement. If you need advice/help looking after this animal do ask, there are many knowledgeable people on here, many of them kind enough to offer their time so perhaps someone can come out and help you. If you are struggling to cope with this animal you need to talk to a rescue centre ASAP or consider PTS.
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Thankyou for your comments. I have had some very kind comments and advice which is truly apreciated.
 
sarahsum1 said:
OP why come on here to play pointless mind games!! talking in riddles! Bloody stupid and pointless. Horse is painfully thin, needs help. end of. Grow up or piss off.

ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you should have explained properly what this was about. Foolish, damn foolish!!!!
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lol don't get involved then der:rolleyes:
 
RSL said:
I saw you other post and yes some did jump to conclusions.

Unless they were posted on that thread, they were in your siggy so there was no reason to jump to conclusion, she had no reason to explain to us on a Worming thread about her horse.

All I see is someone trying to bring this starved horse back to health, "follow my progress" aka watch me become healthy again.
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Thankyou for your reply, you have got it spot on:)
 
benson21 said:
and the necessecity of you not saying all of this when you originally pit the post up? I am sorry, I just dont get it!
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Due to the hunting dogs making up what they wanted and insisting it was true. Some peole on here attack people without knowing what they are on about.
I was trying to show those people the error of their ways, not that they would care.
 
I apologised for my initial post. I still do not (same as a lot of people on here!) agree with the way you went about this post, I am entitled to 'get involved' and air my opinion. Just because you do not like it does not mean i should not get involved......DER!!!! :D

P.s i also think you will find that a huge percentage of people prefer others to be upfront, mind games never go down well, hense the replys on here.
 
I am pleased that someone rescued this poor animal, but what is still confusing me is why you are avoiding the point that on one thread you stated YOU was silver florin if you are not why say you was ?.:confused:

Why say you were silver florin if you are not ?:confused:

Personally I don,t really care which you are horse 13 or silver florin, I am just extremely nosey !:eek:

People on the forum will not take you seriously if they think you are playing games, and surely after what that poor animal has suffered you would want people to understand what you/silver florin did to help this horse. And possibly what people could do to help stop cruelty to any animal.:(
 
I bought a foal from a dealer in kent back in 2003, i bought him unseen, and had him delivered. However the dealer was well known and had a good web site ,offering all these terms ect. Back in the days when buying un seen and getting the horse delivereed was the done thing i suppose (for foals anyway) I was sent photos and a video , i also sent loads of emails for info and spoke on the phone. When the foal arrived it was evident that all was not well. The foal was meant to be a 7 month strong little colt, corn fed, wormed and well handled. The foal i got was so weak it practically fell off the horse wagon.

Under the huge coat it had grown there was just a bag of bones. The mucus membranes where a horrible pale colour and he was just very listless and weak. I got my vet out who did blood tests and had them back to me asap. It showed that he was bleeding internally, probably from a damaged gut, from red word damage. the vet was amazed the foal was still alive. The blood work was very grim. he also felt the foal was only 4 monts old if a day and the dam was almost definatly dead by now. He felt that to have such a huge worm burden as thsi foal had, the mare must of been at deaths door her self. It was liekly the mare died and the foal was just taken and never wormed either. I was given 2 options at that point. They where put to sleep, or worm but he woudl probably die if i wormed him. if we didint worm him he would die. I decided to try and worm him, and give him the chance. The vet gave him corticosteroids to help suppport his liver and gut and then we wormed him with equest over the weekend. Remarkably he servived the worming. That was unfortunatly the start of a very long battle. He had no muscle or fat he was so weak, he had nothing to keep him warm. His case was reffered to newmarket where they advised steroids to try and build him up. I also had him on a special diet of procell and ultimate balancer. We coudl nto over load him but we needed to feed him gradually. Grass was too much for him to deal with. I had to feed him 4 little feeds a day, and he was rugged up to hsi eye balls. He had bloods taken monthly to monitor how he was doing. they also took a gut biopsy to see the extent of the damage. I was nto insured for any of this as i bought him in the condition. Over time he went from strength to strength and as long as he was wormed on time and with equest he was fine. I had tried panacure equien guard when i first bought him. It did not even touch the burden. The dealer was shut down, after i had tradeing standards and 2 horse welfare charities involved. The dealer was actually in the toen of kent and was keeping the horse son an industrial estate in an old air hanger. She admitted she had bought most of her stock off travellers from the back of a wagon or at sales. However she was then selling them on as healthy foals and nto getting them the care they needed. I knwo a few horses where seized at the time. The dealer did try and re start again under different names.

The foal grew up to be a strong healthy young man, and i sold him to a good home. I spent well over a grand on vet bills. Worm counts do not show encysted red worms! People dont seem to understand this.

Its a shame the horse in the photos was nto given the same chance. If they are goign to die anyway, why not try and worm them and try and get them back on track. iIm not saying its an easy process but there is always a small chance.

i have not got the horrible photos of him when he first arrived to hand. however this is how he ended up after all the hard work. he is rising 2 in this photo. He was stunted as a reasult of his bad start. The vet felt he shoudl of grown more than what he did, and he looked out of proportion. However he was very lucky to have servived in the first place.

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horses13 said:
I do not suffer with memory. Maybe you need to learn to read or live in a land of make believe:rolleyes:
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Well perhaps you need to go back and re-read a few of your old threads, which clearly state you ARE Silver Florin.
Dont insult my intelligence my dear, just because you are lacking in any.
Glad that poor beast is now no longer suffering, but shame on you for using her suffering to try and instigate the reactions you have, just so you can sit back and take the moral high ground. You could have stated long ago what had happened.
Nasty little Troll.
 
The silence from SF or whoever is deafening suddenly! Whoever it is they certainly aren't doing Silver Florins rescue any favours as they have lost any credibility now imo.
 
You have missed an opportunity here. If you genuinely wanted to have an airing of views forum, why did you not state the little pony's case and open up the floor. You could have raised awareness of red worm damage, given the rescue centre some good PR and possibly got some support from it.

Instead people on here have been alienated and now do not trust you. The job you do is both heartbreaking and worthwhile. I still see this as exploitative and done for shock value and find it quite sinister you choose this way of going about what is a very serious issue. This is not a personal attack on the work you are doing, just regret you have done welfare and rescue people a lot of damage by your approach.

Good luck with your future rescues.
 
Having read both threads I think this is all making a mountain out of a molehill!!

I think this is right: OP you had an original thread on intelligent worming. By coincidence your siggie came up during that thread showing the very poorly horse. Some people on that thread assumed the two were related. Instead of explaining the misunderstanding you posted the second thread which seemed a bit cryptic about the poorly horse. Turns out the poorly horse was a rescue that has passed away.

Can't see anything objectionable about any of this other than the time it has taken to decipher it! Maybe a more direct and clear approach would be helpful in the future! :)
 
Irishlife said:
You have missed an opportunity here. If you genuinely wanted to have an airing of views forum, why did you not state the little pony's case and open up the floor. You could have raised awareness of red worm damage, given the rescue centre some good PR and possibly got some support from it.

Instead people on here have been alienated and now do not trust you. The job you do is both heartbreaking and worthwhile. I still see this as exploitative and done for shock value and find it quite sinister you choose this way of going about what is a very serious issue. This is not a personal attack on the work you are doing, just regret you have done welfare and rescue people a lot of damage by your approach.
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Too true ....
OP, not impressed Mrs Fagin, you're untrustworthy, attention seeking and underhand.
 
horses13 said:
How boring, the pack of dogs can't make a meal of me so i am a troll snore snore:rolleyes:
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This proves that you posted this topic intending to antagonise people which does somewhat detract from the suffering of the poor horse.

You also state that the so called "hunting dogs" insisted that what they were saying was right (not a direct quote, just something to that effect). Have some posts been deleted because the posts I wrote didn't seem to be nasty, just people expressing their concern about the horse. Can you not see why people thought the case may be due to intelligent worming? (Because the pictures suddenly appeared in the post and people didn't realise they were your signature) I understand that you may not have wanted to go off topic but surely a simple post saying that the horse was in that state for whatever reason but it is getting care, that you did not want to get off topic so you would appreciate it if people sent you a PM if they had any further concerns? Or even starting a new post simply explaining what you have drip fed to people over the last few days. Surely you can see that these ways would have been the mature and simple way to deal with it and would not leave people both worried about the horse over the weekend and thinking you have some attention seeking disorder (not saying you have, just stating the impression this post has given me. I have no idea who you are and only have what you have written to form an opinon. I will be happy to apologise if it turns out I am wrong :p)
 
fumanchu said:
as you are SF's friend, could you ask her to return my entry fee for the fake "photo-comp" from a few years back?

as i believe, obtaining money by deception is fraud.
thank you.
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You can report things like that to the police and they can have an IT expert trace the IP address for PC the information was posted from, which in turn means they can locate the person. . . ;)
 
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