OK here we go. Your views

I have read the whole thread and am now at the end. And completely fail to see the point of it. OP asked for peoples opinions on the pictures - it's a horse that is extremely thin. I'm not sure how people can jump to much more of a conclusion other than that with or without a full story!
 
Like some other posters I am really confused about the conclusions we were supposed to jump to??????

Really sad about the little mare, I can see the OP was in some previous conflict in another thread but the start to this thread didn't do anyone any favours.

Gool luck with your rescue - helping your friend or whatever. I hope the damage to your credibity on here doesn't stop you doung your work.

Poor little mare. I think it would have been better to start the thread as a raising awareness of red worms rather that get peoples' backs up.
 
And you've already claimed to be Silver FLorin, hence why people are getting very very confused!!

No., i have never claimed to be SF. I have said - once again:rolleyes: i am her friend, she signed up and told me i could use it.
To be honest you could be the yorkshire ripper for all i know. No-one knows who is on the keybourd.
 
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Originally Posted by horses13
Hi,
i was previously Silver Florin on here. Just got the internet back, signed up and found this.
I must be mad - well people who knew me before on here know i cannot keep my mouth shut when it comes to horses- but i do tend to act first, think later.
This story is actually a long story i am not aloud to speak about as i would like.
This last mare should not have been left to die.
It was heartbreaking. She had been partially eaten by animals whilst laid dieing.
We are a small charity. Horse and Hound members have helped us in the past and given huge support to me.
I was actually giving up as we cannot carry on.
When i get my camera back i will put on the photo of our latest resident. Shocking is not the word.
She had laid down to die. I do not know how she is still alive.
I am in a rush but hi to everyone, i have missed you all.


It seems the only post you haven't answered is Hannah900s so I will ask the question again, how do you explain your post in LN claiming to be Silver Florin.

:rolleyes:It was SF no-claiming to be her, it was her and this me, good gracious me:confused:
 
Ditto - completely agree.
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i agree also!! ridiculas attention seeking!!! put a awful picture of an emactiated horse on a forum full of horsey peeps, n then pop in and out to put teaser threads to get more attention!! sad and shame on you!!!!!
 
So what is the story here with this poor mare? I see that she has now been pts, but how did she come to be in such a state - and were other horses involved and also rescued??

She was one of seven horses. The first horse was pts around 13th December, in the same state as this one. The other six were left including the dead mares 3 month old foal. We took in the foal and asked for the others to be rescued. 1 week later another was found frozen. Again the remaining horses were left. We cared for them but the owner took most of them leaving two. We notified those that had attended and asked for the remaining two to be taken into care. They were left and one was found dieing and had been partly eaten alive. The pony in the photo was again left. The only comment it was a bit thin. SF took the pony and tried to save it but it was impossible.
SF said it would die. I and others told her it wouldn't and i wanted to give her encouragement and look back on here when she had improved. I was wrong again.
SF is extremly distressed at the minute. She has witnessed some horrific scenes. She is also angry and brewing to do something.

The horses were on rough land at best and only had dead brambles to eat. They were all in this condition. Never fed or cared for, only when SF tried when it was too late.

They cannot be hurt or abused anylonger.
 
I bought a foal from a dealer in kent back in 2003, i bought him unseen, and had him delivered. However the dealer was well known and had a good web site ,offering all these terms ect. Back in the days when buying un seen and getting the horse delivereed was the done thing i suppose (for foals anyway) I was sent photos and a video , i also sent loads of emails for info and spoke on the phone. When the foal arrived it was evident that all was not well. The foal was meant to be a 7 month strong little colt, corn fed, wormed and well handled. The foal i got was so weak it practically fell off the horse wagon.

Under the huge coat it had grown there was just a bag of bones. The mucus membranes where a horrible pale colour and he was just very listless and weak. I got my vet out who did blood tests and had them back to me asap. It showed that he was bleeding internally, probably from a damaged gut, from red word damage. the vet was amazed the foal was still alive. The blood work was very grim. he also felt the foal was only 4 monts old if a day and the dam was almost definatly dead by now. He felt that to have such a huge worm burden as thsi foal had, the mare must of been at deaths door her self. It was liekly the mare died and the foal was just taken and never wormed either. I was given 2 options at that point. They where put to sleep, or worm but he woudl probably die if i wormed him. if we didint worm him he would die. I decided to try and worm him, and give him the chance. The vet gave him corticosteroids to help suppport his liver and gut and then we wormed him with equest over the weekend. Remarkably he servived the worming. That was unfortunatly the start of a very long battle. He had no muscle or fat he was so weak, he had nothing to keep him warm. His case was reffered to newmarket where they advised steroids to try and build him up. I also had him on a special diet of procell and ultimate balancer. We coudl nto over load him but we needed to feed him gradually. Grass was too much for him to deal with. I had to feed him 4 little feeds a day, and he was rugged up to hsi eye balls. He had bloods taken monthly to monitor how he was doing. they also took a gut biopsy to see the extent of the damage. I was nto insured for any of this as i bought him in the condition. Over time he went from strength to strength and as long as he was wormed on time and with equest he was fine. I had tried panacure equien guard when i first bought him. It did not even touch the burden. The dealer was shut down, after i had tradeing standards and 2 horse welfare charities involved. The dealer was actually in the toen of kent and was keeping the horse son an industrial estate in an old air hanger. She admitted she had bought most of her stock off travellers from the back of a wagon or at sales. However she was then selling them on as healthy foals and nto getting them the care they needed. I knwo a few horses where seized at the time. The dealer did try and re start again under different names.

The foal grew up to be a strong healthy young man, and i sold him to a good home. I spent well over a grand on vet bills. Worm counts do not show encysted red worms! People dont seem to understand this.

Its a shame the horse in the photos was nto given the same chance. If they are goign to die anyway, why not try and worm them and try and get them back on track. iIm not saying its an easy process but there is always a small chance.

i have not got the horrible photos of him when he first arrived to hand. however this is how he ended up after all the hard work. he is rising 2 in this photo. He was stunted as a reasult of his bad start. The vet felt he shoudl of grown more than what he did, and he looked out of proportion. However he was very lucky to have servived in the first place.

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You have me in tears.
That was one lucky foal finding you. You have restored my faith it can be done,
It must have had such a small chance of survival. Why is there not more peole like you in this world.
 
as you are SF's friend, could you ask her to return my entry fee for the fake "photo-comp" from a few years back?

as i believe, obtaining money by deception is fraud.
thank you.

Just because you did not win a prize is there realy a need for slander? The winners were very happy.
 
Not sure what you are asking although clearly there is something seriously wrong with that pony. It's either got grass sickness or some other disease or it's been starved. Either way it's a very upsetting photo :(
 
Horses13 - many thanks for answering my question so succinctly.

So I wonder what action is now being taken, and also investigations being carried out into the welfare organisation that deemed that no action need be taken.

Have the BHS been involved in this at any time, and have the RCVS been informed of the lack of veterinary care and advice offered by the vet on the scene?
 
Just because you did not win a prize is there realy a need for slander? The winners were very happy.

Sadly the winners were not so happy that any one of them ever claimed to have won, nor did any of them come forward on any of the "Has anyone been able to contact Silver_Florin" threads. Apologies were, however, posted by others who had been instrumental setting up the "competition" with Silver_Florin.
 
Horses13 - many thanks for answering my question so succinctly.

So I wonder what action is now being taken, and also investigations being carried out into the welfare organisation that deemed that no action need be taken.

Have the BHS been involved in this at any time, and have the RCVS been informed of the lack of veterinary care and advice offered by the vet on the scene?

No the BHS were not involved. We have thinking about reporting it but trying to work out who to and how to put it.
These horses were seen 3 times - at the death of others.
Trouble is when you stand up against multi-million pond organisations you get attacked yourself and they make stories up.
 
Sadly the winners were not so happy that any one of them ever claimed to have won, nor did any of them come forward on any of the "Has anyone been able to contact Silver_Florin" threads. Apologies were, however, posted by others who had been instrumental setting up the "competition" with Silver_Florin.

I did not realise it was that horse and hound photo comp. Silver Florin was uncontactable at the time. Sincere thanks was given by her before she lost contact.

A pm or new thread would have been nice as this thread is not about a photo competition!
 
No the BHS were not involved. We have thinking about reporting it but trying to work out who to and how to put it.
These horses were seen 3 times - at the death of others.
Trouble is when you stand up against multi-million pond organisations you get attacked yourself and they make stories up.

Please contact the BHS and they will help you, I have no doubt. SlinkyUnicorn here was involved (as were others) in the rescue of two ponies that had been seen by the RSPCA and their vet and deemed in adequate condition. The BHS involvement ensured that the correct actions were taken and the horses saved.

I am also assuming that the police were involved, so it would be good to follow up with them to see what action they are taking against the owners.
 
Thankyou AmyMay i will contact the BHS. A very nice committee member lives close to me so she would be a start.
The police involved unfortunately did not have a clue about horses and were less inclined to seek the owner.
Others involved made up their own stories and were deaf to the truth.
It is so hard to get someone to lissen.
There shouls not have been 1 death, but when one died everything possible shouls have been done to save the rest.
SF treid her best but she was limited in what she could do and left it in the hands of those of authority, which she regrets.
Knowing SF she will come fighting back when the anger sets in after the horrific traumas she has been through.
 
Ah but you're very selective about which of the threads you have posted you are replying to, you are on here talking, someone has already asked you about it, I was quoting that reply so why start a new thread?

So, Silver_Florin thanked people but no list of winners was ever published although other organisers did manage to contact her I believe, no winners ever came forward on here either. Might you feel fit to comment on that?

If you want my views on the original topic personally I can see the horse is very thin but I think its short and unhappy life is being exploited for some reason. I also find it disturbing that once the horse was "rescued" it was kept alive against the advice of vets, and, as you have posted, yourself, by Silver_Florin. That in my book is prolonging suffering unnecessarily and whilst it's a terrible shame to lose a horse so young sometimes what they would have to go through to survive is just too much - as of course you felt.
 
SF treid her best but she was limited in what she could do and left it in the hands of those of authority, which she regrets.

I'm suprised actually that SF didn't pursue this harder - she would have been very aware of which organisations to consult with in order to get things moving.

Knowing SF she will come fighting back when the anger sets in after the horrific traumas she has been through.

Well the best way to recover is to take affirmative action.
 
Ah but you're very selective about which of the threads you have posted you are replying to, you are on here talking, someone has already asked you about it, I was quoting that reply so why start a new thread?

So, Silver_Florin thanked people but no list of winners was ever published although other organisers did manage to contact her I believe, no winners ever came forward on here either. Might you feel fit to comment on that?

I think there was a winners thread, I'm sure there was (I think I remember putting the winning photos up, but correct me if I am wrong). I tried to contact SF at this time but had no reply. :(

added as found the link: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=239693&highlight=photo+comp

I am sorry to all those who feel miffed by the whole thing (me included)
 
I think there was a winners thread, I'm sure there was (I think I remember putting the winning photos up, but correct me if I am wrong). I tried to contact SF at this time but had no reply. :(

added as found the link: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=239693&highlight=photo+comp

I am sorry to all those who feel miffed by the whole thing (me included)

In that case I extend my apologies to horses13 and Silver_Florin for my questions re the photo competition, I hadn't seen that thread and on looking for threads related to Silver_Florin had seen only those from posters who were as miffed as you.

Thank you for clarifying that J_J.
 
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Im refusing to read the whole thread as it seems that the OPs grudge (in her eyes) is more important than the plight of that poor animal!

Shame on you OP for using the suffering of a poor defenceless animal to try and prove a point.

The horse itself looks like it has suffered for a while, with untreated sores and depressed demeanor. Instead of trying to prove a point why dont you help?
 
If you want my views on the original topic personally I can see the horse is very thin but I think its short and unhappy life is being exploited for some reason. I also find it disturbing that once the horse was "rescued" it was kept alive against the advice of vets, and, as you have posted, yourself, by Silver_Florin. That in my book is prolonging suffering unnecessarily and whilst it's a terrible shame to lose a horse so young sometimes what they would have to go through to survive is just too much - as of course you felt.[/QUOTE]
How was her life being exploited exactly? She was not at any time kept alive against the advice of vets, how do you people make these things up. The vet carried on trying to save her against sf's wishes!!!!! SF wanted her shot on the thur the vet tried in vain through Thur and Fri morn to save her causing further suffering. SF pleaded for them to stop!!!!
Were you a rat watching on the yard reporting back the wrong story?
 
I'm suprised actually that SF didn't pursue this harder - she would have been very aware of which organisations to consult with in order to get things moving.



Well the best way to recover is to take affirmative action.

She tried extremly hard to deaf ears.
 
In that case I extend my apologies to horses13 and Silver_Florin for my questions re the photo competition, I hadn't seen that thread and on looking for threads related to Silver_Florin had seen only those from posters who were as miffed as you.

Thank you for clarifying that J_J.

Apologies not needed. Goes over our heads. We actually have a laugh at what people make up.

Just one thing, make sure you know the FACTS before spreading false accusations.

Thankyou for the apology thow, it is apreciated.
 
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Im refusing to read the whole thread as it seems that the OPs grudge (in her eyes) is more important than the plight of that poor animal!

COULDNT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH:rolleyes:

Shame on you OP for using the suffering of a poor defenceless animal to try and prove a point. WRONG AGAIN>

The horse itself looks like it has suffered for a while, with untreated sores and depressed demeanor. Instead of trying to prove a point why dont you help?

I did help!
 
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