Ok ..I am just going to SAY IT "Only in America"

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I have read a few posts recently with the titles "ONLY IN AMERICA"

Remember.....defamatory posts are not accepted on HHO and if you are going to single out any one person, place, country etc. Have to facts to back your post up. As I have stated before, only a person who has spent a great deal of time in an area or traveled it a great deal can comment with any intelligence on a certain part of the world. NO, your trip to Orlando Florida for a week does not make you an expert! I, not having been many places other that the US would never DREAM of making assumptions of another place. Assumtions based on media hype are the MOST ignorant of them all! The two psts in here on the next page are the ones that have me laughing the hardest! Fair enough they had valid points to make on serious issues, but the whole title being defamotory ruined it for them making this point! Cmon people.....terrible things happen everwhere. We can discuss awful things without making generalisations about every person within the borders of where it happens!
It is not long standing respected members on HHO who usually make these posts and that makes me feel better. I should not be offended at all...I usually roll my eyes and laugh at the idiocy in the US with the best of them....bottom line is I can as I am educated on what I have observed.Actualy TBH I wouldnt even consider commenting on the US as a whole because I am not sure I could live long enough to even begin to know everything about every region of this or any other place for that matter! Stop watching TV and start traveling if you want to comment on the world!

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oh wait! I need to make this horse related to be in here.....
I love to ride nice horses
 
I feel the same when I hear people going on about all horses being treated badly in Spain - REALLY gets my goat
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Jade, tbh America is like Harvard. The reason people knock it is because they are not here. People will deny it through and through, but there is nowhere else in the world where success and happiness is really up to you!
 
You're quite right to be p:ssed off Jade. I've read the posts in question and while they DO describe acts of cruelty, it is RIDICULOUS to suggest that cruelty does not exist elsewhere in the world, and ALSO in the UK.
It would be equally wrong of me to suggest that ONLY in the UK are show horses and ponies fed to the point of obesity, risking health and inviting laminitis for the sake of some ribbons.
Double standards?
And before someone jumps on me and says 'not every show horse is fat...' I didn't say they were. Just as not ALL Tennessee Walking horses are sored.
Oh, and about PMU... is there not a market and therefore demand in the UK?
 
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Jade, tbh America is like Harvard. The reason people knock it is because they are not here. People will deny it through and through, but there is nowhere else in the world where success and happiness is really up to you!

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Actually, I knock Harvard because the few people I know who went there are knobs and completely up themselves
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Might make an exception for you GTs
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Well said. I'd be very annoyed if people said only in England. And i do think some people see something happening in America and think it only happens in America, which is very silly and niave (sp?).
 
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Jade, tbh America is like Harvard. The reason people knock it is because they are not here. People will deny it through and through, but there is nowhere else in the world where success and happiness is really up to you!

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Actually, I knock Harvard because the few people I know who went there are knobs and completely up themselves
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Might make an exception for you GTs
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You really have hit the nail on the head for me Jade.

Both posts WERE worth discussing, but the fact that they had the titles they had, just sealed any discussion for me as they really were such ignorant titles to give.

I am not American, however I live in North America and yes it does get my goat to read this ........ (whoops almost used a sweary word
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) .........garbage.

Cruelty goes on in all walks of life - please remember that and try not to be defamatory, because that's exactly what it is, to other nations.

D'you know how many times I have read things on here and thought.....Only in England? There you go! Some of the things that go on in the UK would lift the hairs on the back of most Canadians necks.
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Some of the things that go on in the UK would lift the hairs on the back of most Canadians necks.
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Like yob culture??? Do not know how people stand it - could not think of anything worse!
 
Thank you for the supportive posts on this you all. I had a hunch that the ones who have posted may come to bat for me and understand where I was coming from. I have to admit I was a little scared before I hit the continue button
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was not sure what the response would be. It was just eating at me all afternoon.

I am sure someone will come along in the morning and bite my head off , but Oh well
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Like yob culture???

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That's exactly what I was thinking of! We don't have yob-culture over here in Canada thank goodness.
 
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I feel the same when I hear people going on about all horses being treated badly in Spain - REALLY gets my goat
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And that's why I really like this forum! Something is said, someone has lived there and puts us all right on the REAL facts.

If they were the putting down of people with different skin colour or sexual preference to others, then all these posts would be seen as racist or homophobic and there would be a big outcry I'm sure.
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What I'm saying is; don't be afraid to post controversial issues, just that before you do, make sure that your own glasshouse is in order before you start throwing stones.
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Yobs are almost exclusively British, generally English, however it is possibly making it's mark on the rest of the world slowly but surely. Yobs are gangs of young troublemakers who hang around intimidating people.

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Sorta!
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We don't have gangstas or yob up here though
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. So it's "Only in the UK" and "Only in America" .........
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It is tough to describe - Tia chime in as needed.

In America you can easily avoid trouble - there are very very few random acts of violence or crime. It is thug on thug crime, but in England that is not the case, many totally innocent people are victims of crime everyday - muggings, burglary, car theft, vandalism, etc. You can just be the wrong person, in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is not just you and I that are targeted these people have no boundaries. I remember when I was in England a 90 year old lady was punched in the face - for what? Her fish and chips!!! I know many people in England who have been victims, I even know of Americans in England who have been victims, however I know no one in the US who has been a victim of such a crime. Here in Boston I never worry about someone walking behind me, or meeting a group of youths - it was the same in LA - I feel totally safe!

They will fire back that in the US we have a problem with gun crime, school shootings, etc - as far as school shootings are concerned, they are not immune, just look at the horrific events of Dunblane, we merely have more schools. And you and I know gun crime, really travels in the crime circles. I have never heard or seen a crime involving a gun!

The reality is I feel so much safer out here than I do in England - it is sad, it is like England is being terrorized by its own people.
 
That's fictional Jade
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And anyway those fictional Nova Scotians aren't quite like us rural real Ontarions
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Yep GTs has explained it very well. The point is these yobs just have no moral values whatsoever. They don't care if you are old and frail and they don't care if all it is over is a bag of chips - they are purely doing it for some bizarre form of power
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. You rarely see yobs going to beat up groups of muscled up men.....it is usually the old granny or the young girl or a single lad......and often for no reason at all.

That just does not happen where I live. Here we still have people giving kids a talking-to if they are misbehaving in the streets......and the kids listen! Canada is like the UK was 20 or 30 years ago when people still had respect for others.

Yob culture has no respect for anyone.
 
JadeWisc, I totally agree with your first post - to tar any number of people with the same brush often produces very misleading findings, so to comment on a country as a whole (especially one the size of America) is of course ridiculous.

However, this post is begining to read as the americans doing to the British, just what they have asked the British not to do.

You really cannot suggests that all UK citizens have to put up with "yob" culture, I for one, do not know any "yobs", have not been involved with any "yobs", do not know anyone who has been involved with "yobs", in fact to my knowledge I have never even seen a group of "yobs" (just as some of you have avoided gun culture despite is being a problem in the states). I walk my dogs out at night in the pitch black, in my pyjamas and never look over my shoulder or worry about my safety. This was not the case when I have visited Phillidelphia, NY, Orlando, Seattle or Houston - neither is it the case in London or Birmingham. The point is, both countries have places where you are safe and places were you might not be.

If you want Jade's point to be taken on board and be concidered valid (which it is), I don't think listing the bad points about the UK is the right way to do it - people will just read it and become annoyed and then overlook the original point (as you guys did when it was the other way around).

You may want to put the UK down because that is what some posters did to the US but come on, fools never differ, you can do better than that - set the example that you want to be followed (as Jade did in the OP).
 
It was only Tia and I who comment back at the UK - having spent 13 years there (and I know Tia spent even more then that) I think our opinions are pretty valid.
 
Good post Jem! However I believe the point of this post was to highlight it to others who do not see things in such a rational way as you. There have been a number of mentions "only in America" this week alone! It's too much. I'm not American but I do feel this sort of constant stereotyping is not needed, nor indeed wanted on this International site. It needed saying and it was said. Now the conversation has moved on and everyone is happy again.

P.S. When I lived in Philadelphia I also used to walk my dog late at night in my PJ's and I never looked over my shoulder. As GTs said, in America it is generally easy to stay out of trouble.......you don't go into the well known rowdy areas.
 
I wasn't suggesting that your oppinions are not valid (although "yob" culture is not as widespread as suggested). I am suggesting that discussing it in this thread is counter-productive to the point of the thread!
I could now state why I would rather live where I do, than in America (or actually anywhere else) but to do so would not help make the point that this thread is supposed to make for the same reason that discussing yob culture won't.
 
You are welcome to state your thoughts and opinions. Hardly any threads on this forum ever stick to the original point
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. They all appear to side-track at some time so this one is really no different to any others. Discussion and debate are good.
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ETS - was there any inference made by either GTs or me, that yob culture was as wide-spread as you are suggesting we claimed? I don't recall saying that it was wide-spread, however it is well known that it exists.
 
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