OK peeps - breathing/roaring?

Had a friend whose eventer you could hear from a mile away. He was hobdayed and though was very talented was told he would never go beyond interemediate.
 
Mine roars. She does everything I want, sometimes noisier than others, although admitedly we have never gone above RC comp wise but have hunted 2 days a week
 
Mine makes a noise, she was hobdayed at 3 and was not raced because of it. I try and get her as fit as poss, but she does make a noise and I don't like it!! However, she completed 12 pre novices last year but I certainly wouldn't push her to do any more than novice BE. The way I see it is that if she didn't make a noise I would never have been lucky enough to have her as she would have raced. I did consider having her re-scoped, but at the end of the day I wouldn't put her thro a tie-back, and altho' she makes a noise she really does seem to love eventing as much as I do!!
 
one of mine makes a noise. My vet isnt concerned about her and has said he wouldnt operate as he feels it isnt that bad and has said that with fitness she will be better. He does say though that mine would probably be able to even to advanced without problems, maybe mine isnt that bad but i dont know.
 
my mare had a tie-back, i'd never have known if the previous owner hadn't told me. never makes a noise. coughs once or twice when we do our first trot and is then fine. (lots of horses do this anyway, i've found.) okay, we've only done N so far but she sailed round that and wanted to go round again, probably 5 times from how keen she was.
i don't really know the difference between hobday and tie-back, so will read this post with interest.
Gina Miles' McKinlagh (silver at Olympics) had a wind op a few years ago, he's a big horse and they'd thought he just didn't have the stamina for 4 star, but it turned out he just couldn't get enough air in. he's never looked back...
why, are you thinking of buying a horse that makes a noise?
has Libby gone to his new home, btw?
 
Mine makes a noise, not sure if it is called roaring or not - what do you think LEC?

What I have worked out is that it is purely excitment related. I can trot her around the roads and she won't make a noise but as soon as she thinks she is going to jump something she starts within 1 stride.

She was sold a few years ago for £20k and was scoped at the time and she 'passed'. She has competed up to 1.30 classes and has always had the problem.
 
I had a little horse who made a noise - I had it investigated because he was a selling project. We decided to operate because of ditto, vet advised hobday not tieback as a simpler operation with a higher success rate. He was done by some famous guy from Langford - pure coincidence as he was operating on something else for my vet that day - but it didn't make any difference imho, he went on making a noise. However, little horse cruised through to Int and 1* including Necarne (physically most demanding 1* I know with a mountain at the end!!), I don't believe it affected his performance at all. He wasn't the type to go further so can't comment on that. Sold him pretty easily by giving vet full access. Hope that helps
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Penfold has started to make a noise [ and has had a couple of very slight bleeds] Had him scoped but they said that there was no paralysis and they thought he might be displacing his soft palate. They wanted him to be galloped on a treadmill but I couldn't afford it as it meant him staying and if they found it was that, then it would mean trying a tie forward which is not very successful anyway.
Have to keeep him fit and he has a tongue guard and grakle. He still makes alot of noise but the further he goes the better it gets .
So I think it depends on why they make a noise to decide on tie back , tie forward or hobday .[but I am no expert on this ]
 
Have seen the most incredible 4yo with uber-breeding (type that should be leagues out of my price range even in utero), at an affordable price because it makes a noise.... Husband trying to convince me I have the money now not to buy something with physical defects, but it's just bred into me to love bargains
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I was told categorically that a horse with a breathing problem would not go beyond Novice eventing
But that is a bit black and white because surely there must be different degrees of it.

T.E - leave well alone!! So many nice horses out there, plenty of bargains to be found, would anyone want to buy it from you?!
 
My understanding is that not all horses which make a noise actually have trouble getting enough air in
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Guess you would need a vet work-up to assess what the upshot is in this case: might be worth doing so you know what you are dealing with. I agree with O_B if it's a definite selling project why buy the problem? (mine developed it after I had him).
 
Best thing to do is find a very steep hill and gallop it up and see how it copes. We had a horse we bought to race took it to the gallops for the first time and it just could not get up it as its wind was not strong enough when eventers and other horses were sailing past.
 
Step away from the broken pony and let your husband treat you.

If it is 4 and already making a noise and not really done any work how bad is it going to get? If you are buying to sell you'll find it difficult to sell.
 
If its making a noise already just being broken that would send out alarm bells. Most of the ones I have dealt with you would not know until you start the fast work.
 
could be various things for the noise the only way to tell is to endoscope and some vets like it done on a tread mill, my horse made a noise quite obviously in trot, went for a tieback and hobday, never looked back only precautions have to take is all feed from the floor!! Some horses take to the op well and some dont! I think moonfleet has had a tie back??? im not 100% but i think! Alot of larger horses suffer with it, some horses cope without the op and some (eventers/racehorses) benefit alot from having it done!!

eta i did as you got a youngun cheap(im sure) due to size/breathing(wasnt picked up until after), couldnt have afforded him otherwise (deffo not)!! went through the op (insurance paid for it,as it wasnt picked up at vetting) and hes (luckily) fab, vet seemed to think getting it done before he started 'real' work would be a better option.. but, i have heard other stories about the op going wrong ect, if i could aford to buy without problems it has to be said that it really would be the easier option!!!
 
Very interesting post - a few months ago we had a portable scope to work to scope a few horses that made a noise - the one that made the worst noise actually didnt have anything wrong with it it was just lazy in its breathing - since that its come 2nd and 4h over hurdles

I think to say after somethings had a wind op in will go no further that novice is a bit silly as in racing i would say nearly 25% of things would make a slight noise and few would be operated on and most go on and do well - i look after a horse that had the one of the most extensive wind ops done by our vets and has gone on to win since - but may be a case by case thing??
 
depends what the noise is and where its coming from. Lots of horses 'highblow' when they get excitied, sounds a bit like snorting and come from high up in the respiratory system. A broken wind noise is a lot deeper and sounds a bit like gasping, if its very bad it will be immediately obvious and the horse will tire easily due to lack of oxygen. Any type of breathing sounds that are in the middle of this range can normally be treated by sugery or might not need surgery and the horse can continue to work, but maybe with restrictions. Sorry this is long but have experience of this and just wanted to give you the info that I have. Hope this helps.
 
My PRE started roaring about when he turned 4. I had him scoped and he has severe paralysis ie one side of his larynx is completely paralysed. At first he coudn't canter more than a few circuits of the arena without his breathing becoming too laboured to carry on, but over the past year and a half this has improved as his fitness has increased - now he can saty in a collected canter pretty much indefinitely but can't handle long periods of working canter. Out hacking he can only manage very short bursts of faster canter ie 300-400m
Luckily I bought him mainly for dressage and so far the problem hasn't restricted him in anyway
 
My instructors horse used to 'roar' and they found that he could only get 20% of his breath in rather than the normal 100%, he had a hobday/tie back operation a few months ago and she has just brough him back into work.
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Don't think it caused many problems for him particularly, he was competing at PSG level and was competed at the Para Olympics
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he is 13yo
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