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It looks like I need an OP on my arm and if this is the case, I will be putting Winnie in foal again. Buzz is 23yo and the foal would be for me. I love Clononeen Playboy and Winchester D, but what stallions would you suggest, between 14.2hh & 15.2hh, not to chunky, colour not important. Would be for a decent all round foal with a nice jump, Winnie is a chunk, great jump on her. Bold as brass but not a flashy mover. Suggestions please.
 
I have to say I know comparatively nothing about selecting stallions/breeding etc. But playboy belonged to my last yard owner and is the sweetest friendliest person ever, he is just gorgeous. Not much help I know but I really like him!! Good luck and have fun choosing :)
 
It will be with me for life and want for nothing, the type I want is cheaper to breed than buy, plus having produced Winnie myself is the most rewarding thing ever.
 
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this is Winnie, I'd like the stallion to add a little height and less chunk.
 
Biff&Buzz said:
It will be with me for life and want for nothing, the type I want is cheaper to breed than buy, plus having produced Winnie myself is the most rewarding thing ever.
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It is NEVER cheaper to breed than buy, unless you happen to own a top class mare and you're producing a superstar. Providing you do it properly, of course. Stud fee, associated vets fees for pregnancy (at least 2 scans assuming natural cover, far more if AI), extra vaccinations for EHV, foaling costs and vets visits post foaling, passporting, vaccinations and wormers for foal, all associated costs for raising to 4 years. And that's without anything going wrong.
 
TheMule said:
It is NEVER cheaper to breed than buy, unless you happen to own a top class mare and you're producing a superstar. Providing you do it properly, of course. Stud fee, associated vets fees for pregnancy (at least 2 scans assuming natural cover, far more if AI), extra vaccinations for EHV, foaling costs and vets visits post foaling, passporting, vaccinations and wormers for foal, all associated costs for raising to 4 years. And that's without anything going wrong.
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I agree. Why breed yet another horse to add to the planet when there are so many unwanted horses desperately searching for homes? Sorry I am not trying to be disagreeable but I don't see the point to be honest. x
 
applecart14 said:
I agree. Why breed yet another horse to add to the planet when there are so many unwanted horses desperately searching for homes? Sorry I am not trying to be disagreeable but I don't see the point to be honest. x
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I can see exactly what you're getting at, and in many ways agree. But also, if she has said that she wants a youngster, as she enjoys producing.. What is the difference between spending the money to have one out of her beloved mare, or buying one from another breeder and essentially funding them to bring another unwanted horse into the world...
 
I will be out of action for a while due to nerve relocation surgery, hence why Winnie will be doing nothing either, I have always planned to breed from her as her first foal is superb. He belongs To a friend and has a home for life. My Horse of a lifetime is 23yo and won't be in work for as long as I will be riding, Winnie will be my nephews pony when he is older hence wanting a foal from her for myself. Ideally I'd like the stallion to be related to Templebready Fear Bui as then the foal would also have Buzz's bloodlines, it would be perfect to have a foal from Winnie and related to Buzz.
 
I understand what people are saying about not breeding when there are plenty out there that need homes. However, one of my greatest regrets is not breeding from my late mare. I would only have bred from her to keep the foal myself in a forever home and I so much wish I could have part of her now. I think it is fine to breed if you love your mare and intend to keep both her and her offspring for yourself, other than that, leave it up to the experts and proper studs. I have a friend who bred for the wrong reasons; so her exceptionally well bred but non performing mare could have a foal. It cost her tens of thousands to produce a foal that she could never ride (wrong type of stallion selected to be a riding horse for herself), that has great breeding and talent but which she has had to pay through the nose to have it produced and still not sold so she is paying up-keep for a four year old that she can never ride or afford to have someone else compete for her. Total cost? I would estimate close to £30,000 when you add up livery fees, insurance, vet bills, breaking and training, and it continues to mount up.
 
It's not the best photo, but she needs to be paired with something that's shorter backed, has good legs (especially a bit more angle at the hocks) and an elegant neck/not thick at the throat. Her son is definitely a super chap and his conformation is better than Winnie's, so with the right stallion, we know that she can produce something that's very nice indeed.

I just think that you need to go for something that's a quality animal with a good, trainable temperament, hence my suggestions. You want a foal that's nicer than she is conformation wise, but you don't want to lose any of her good points, especially her lovely temperament.
 
At risk of starting WWIII did you not already have one of Winnie's offspring but sell him on due to time constraints?

In the nicest possible way life has a habit of throwing us curve balls and with the best of intentions unless you have a really stable and consistent life you may find a foal and the promise to keep him/her forever just too much
 
Yes I did but life has changed dramatically and we are in the process of purchasing a house with land and stables which means I have the ability to keep alll current and future horses for life now. Rosscon Sunrise is on the top of my list currently as he is Half Brother to Buzz :)
 
you obviously have your own ideas of the stallions you would like to use on your mare, so just do it.
 
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