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right my dog is going to have the op anyway but he is 4 months old now and his balls still hasnt dropped and sometimes they r their and sometimes not like when he lies on his back they dissapear, they are not un the normal place they r just behind his dinkle (dont know what else to put incase of kids reading this) anyone had this with theirs, obviously it is gunna be more of a complicated op but anyone know what it is? is it that they r stuck in his abdomen?
 
WHOA!!! 4 months is way too early. They can come down upto about 16mths! If you must have him neutered, its worth waiting as it will be a much more complicated op if they are retained and not dropped.

Can I ask why you have got to have him neutered, and what breed he is?
 
he is a blue merle border collie my mum doesnt want him done but vet said he could get tumours if they are not removed
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he is meant to be getting done at 7 months i think it is?
 
VETS!!
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Chop it off, cut it out!!! Its all they are concerned with nowadays!

If the dog were mine, I would definately leave him untill he is at least 16/18mth old, to give the testicles chance to drop. If by that time they havent, then Id agree they probably wont and are better removed to save further problems.

Testicular tumours in dogs are very rare, but retained testicles do stand a much higher chance of going "wrong" as they are retained inside the body, whereas normally they are outside as they need to retain a lower temperature.

Prostate tumours are more common in older dogs, but castrated dogs DO get prostate problems too, ask your Vet, most fail to mention that!

Its also worth remembering, if you castrate a male dog early they often have interuptions in their growth plates, and go "gangly" and grow tall and leggy, also coated breeds like the Collie will grow profuse "fluffy" coats, the silkyness will dissappear. Neutered males are also a target for entire males, they lose testosterone and become "subservient" in scent and demeanor, making entire males bonk them! Not always but in plenty of cases. One VERY importan thing to remember is if your dog has ANY nervous or timid tendancies, castration could be the worst thing you could do to him. Dogs get confidence from testosterone, take it away and you will be left with a HUGE problem without the necessary "tools" to help the dog in the future.

Just my opinion, I am not a vet but have worked with dogs for 20yrs in rescue, boarding, racing and showing.
 
I do have my dogs castrated, but not until they are waaaaay older than 4 months!!

If you vet is already talking castration, I would be changing vet!!
 
Pingpong,

Where do you get your info from? I have had 3 neutered collies (& currently a neutered JRT) & they never suffered from subserviant tendencies, fluffy coats or being humped by entire males!!!

Neutering is the best thing to do if you are not breeding with your dog - about 6-12mnths is standard. There are FAR TOO MANY unwanted pups & neuter/spay is a responsible thing to do...
 
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Pingpong,

Where do you get your info from? I have had 3 neutered collies (& currently a neutered JRT) & they never suffered from subserviant tendencies, fluffy coats or being humped by entire males!!!

Neutering is the best thing to do if you are not breeding with your dog - about 6-12mnths is standard. There are FAR TOO MANY unwanted pups & neuter/spay is a responsible thing to do...

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Good post!
 
<font color="brown"> Where do you get your info from? </font>
As I said I have worked with dogs for 20yrs, boarding, rescue, racing, showing and assessing and selecting attack, drugs and explosive sniffer dogs for the police, prison service and Army. However its all on the net if you look.
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<font color="brown"> have had 3 neutered collies (&amp; currently a neutered JRT) &amp; they never suffered from subserviant tendencies, fluffy coats or being humped by entire males!!!
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You didnt read my post I said they CAN become targets and already nervy dogs can be a LOT worse post neutering, you have misread the post and you think you know what I said when in fact I didnt!v
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I actually said in MANY cases but NOT all!

Short haired dogs dont suffer the same coat effects as coated breeds either, ask ANY breeder or exhibitor, or ANY Vet and they will confirm coat changes on many many breeds, this is why many people will not neuter if they show dogs as they stand no chance. If your dogs havent had coat changes, Im pleased.
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<font color="brown"> Neutering is the best thing to do if you are not breeding with your dog - about 6-12mnths is standard. There are FAR TOO MANY unwanted pups &amp; neuter/spay is a responsible thing to do... </font>
No, responsible ownership stops unwanted puppies. How dare you say people should do the "best thing" when it involves mutilating their pet just because irresponsible idiots allow bad breeding practice! Its those types you need to target, NOT the responsible owners!! Why should I give my healthy, normal, well balanced Dog an unessesary general anesthetic and unwanted surgery just so others can continue to do as they please anyway!
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Im not surpised people are scared to ask questions, when they are TOLD what do do, and not given ALL the facts! Id run a mile! Neutering pets is fine, but it isnt a cure all, it will NOT solve all behaviour problems and it CAN lead to huge problems for many already troubled animals.
 
Pingpong,

Thanks for your attack!

Why don't you trot down to your local SPCA/Dogs Trust &amp; see what their opinions on neuter/spay are...

This isn't about your opinions ONLY - its a forum for ALL.
 
Yes I know that which was why I posted, seems people are told what to do rather than being given all the facts, just wanted to help in that respect.
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Im not interested in anyone elses policies thanks, I have seen enough of them, Im interested ONLY in giving ALL the facts, not just the ones suppoerted by myself. For your info, I have 2 bitches, both spayed and 6 Cats, all neutered!! My males however are entire. One bitch was spayed before I had her, and the other had a pyo at 14mths, spayed because she needed to be, not because other people told me I should. Free country!

I meant also to say that responsible breeding and neutering is someting I am very much infavour of, but I wouldnt dream of TELLING people what they should do, just give all the info as I know it and let them make an informed opinion themselves. Its a forum as you say and only our opinions at the end of the day.
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Having seen so many dogs in rescues, and so many crappy accidental litters of unwanted pups I believe that if people care about dog welfare, they will neuter unless there is a very very good reason not to (which there might be).

Ive seen dogs jump through first floor plate glass windows to get at a neighbours bitch, it isnt straightforward to segregate and not always just ones own dogs that are involved.

the freedom def exists to do it or not do it but I think to decide to not do it should involve a visit to a local rescue first not to be brainwashed on their policies but simply to meet the unwanted dogs and to see the consequences. If still happy not to neuter then fine, but I think it would put most people off.
 
Dante was retaining one for a few months, but at about 5 months it did drop. Our vets said they would leave him until a year before considering neutering.
 
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Pingpong,

Where do you get your info from? I have had 3 neutered collies (&amp; currently a neutered JRT) &amp; they never suffered from subserviant tendencies, fluffy coats or being humped by entire males!!!

Neutering is the best thing to do if you are not breeding with your dog - about 6-12mnths is standard. There are FAR TOO MANY unwanted pups &amp; neuter/spay is a responsible thing to do...

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My male JR has been castrated, his coat has thickened up and got courser (he's a wire coated) so it can affect the coats, appears to be in different ways with different dogs.

I have known it to make nervy dogs worse, however leaving them entire doesn't always help and sometimes having them castrated never makes a difference.

It can make them more ... er ... appealing to entire dogs because they're no longer producing the hormones they were before so the do smell more "bitchy" so to speak. Doesn't mean they will be harrassed by entire males but can be.

I'm neither here nor there with castration, I have a castrated male and an entire male. I don't agree with castrating younger than 12months though, same with spaying, leave it until at least 12months so the dog/bitch has had chance to near enough fully develop, not only reproductively but structurally.

I agree that it's not spaying/castrating that make you responsible, it's how you handle/look after your dogs. We have entire males/females as well and spayed/castrated ones. We've never had any accidents either out bitches being covered by our males or by our males expressing desires to disappear with the "dog next door" so to speak.
 
My schnauzer now has a fluffy coat instead of a correct wirey coat.... this was due to castration (he was a year old).

I had him done because he kept bonking any other dog in the universe..... but not cushions or kids.
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yup that is what my dog already does, keeps jumping on males, he is gnna be a fluffy dg ayway so dont really care about that.
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we are gunna wait till he is 9months thn get him done if they dont come down

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