OldGit in need of help

kerilli said:
more investigation into saddle design and effects of it on rider security & speed of ejection from the plate if horse starts rotating.

Absolutely agree

more investigation into better rider protection. neck support as used by bike racers (a U.S. event rider is using one apparently), Exos. Publish comparison of protectiveness of different types of body protector (all "level 3 protection").

Yep and they should be more affordable

Fewer skinnies, more straightforward fences at lower levels, removal of time penalties at Training and Intro level, have a generous 'bogey time' that mustn't be exceeded.
more collapsible/frangible fences.

Definitely think going too fast at such solid upright fences is bad, people should be encouraged to jump from a comfortable gallop. I'd also add more hedges and forgiving inviting fences, so there's less hooking and more allowing the horse to just gallop and jump - at all levels
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One thing I came up against this year which def needs addressing.

B had a bad run and needed to move down a level to regain confidence.
Due to BE entry system entry was already in for next 2 events.

contacted entry sec of next event and asked to move down. Was told she would be put at bottom of wait list (despite entering early for the event and using a ballot sticker) and it was very unlikely she would get a run. Other alternative was to forfeit the almost £70 entry fee.

Sec took late entries and 7 entries on the day (hand written on sheet) but refused to give her a run.

So here the rider has recognised there is a problem and asked for help to be safe. Entries sec refusing to help and encouraging he to 'give it a go' at the level she had a problem at.

How on earth can that be safe?
 
angelish said:
hi
my instructor used to event to 4* level and came with me to a couple of events this year (just 90/100) and i asked her what she thought in general
her 1st comment was that the jumps were blo*%&y tiny and what the h**l was wrong with me ,get on with it :) :rolleyes:

she also said there were quite a lot of riders that should not be on course ,they were not good or capable enough to cope
and that the times were causing riders to go at a faster pace than they were capable of riding at
i know these points may cause debate and i don't claim to be a great rider but i don't think i am scary to watch going xc ,i hope not any way :o
but i have seen some shocking riding xc and even sj and i think there should be some sort of test or standard of riding at perhaps 80t level for newcomers before they are able to go on up the levels ,perhaps making more use of the accredited trainers at these events

I agree with this, i hate the thought of more interference with people's ability of making their own choices but I also see some very scarey riding sj and xc, some of them are accidents waiting to happen. I agree with the time aspect too, this affects further up the levels as well, with riders not giving their horses time to assess the fences themselves.

I think skinnies are ok because it puts the onus on the rider keeping the horse betwen hand and leg, too many straight forward fences encourages fast riding.
Good luck with report
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trick123 said:
I think skinnies are ok because it puts the onus on the rider keeping the horse betwen hand and leg, too many straight forward fences encourages fast riding.
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I disagree, skinnies encourage fiddling and micro-managing to the base of fences. wide fences encourage forward riding (as long as it isn't lunatic galloping) and allowing the horse to think for itself.

Thistle, that is a BIG problem.
I know an Organiser who puts those whose entries have been accepted already, but who want to move down a level, top of her list, for safety reason. I'd like to know which event it was that treated B so shabbily, that is really not on at all, especially if they accepted entries on the day. Ridiculous.
 
Thanks everyone, keep em coming, if you don't want to post on the forum, PM me. Thistle hope you wrote to BE as that isn't good. To anyone who's worried about fence judges requiring first aid... as kerilli says the cavalry arrives PDQ, I don't think there is any suggestion that delays in treatment have had an impact in our sport. After all you get paramedics AND a doc a damn site faster than if you have an accident in the street.
 
I didn't write to BE as that particular sec has made it clear in published comments that they will blacklist anyone who rocks the boat. They run a few events and as we don't have many nearby I would hate to lose them!

It's not one you would deal with OG.
 
Thistle - poor you. I have had a run in with a very high up personage over an entry to an event and was told to put up and shut up. We had to lose our entry fee as said very important person had booked them for day before dressage on a school day, told me time after time they were oversubscribed and if I pulled out I lost my dosh! Nuff said. Why on earth do these people think that they can dictate to the paying public is beyond me.

Old Git - one I think is terribly important is teenagers and in some cases adults, trying to move up the grades far too fast, because they feel they should. I've seen a few cases of this in PC and with Mini TX's friends and it usually ends in tears and bruises. With pros, I can see why they do it, but then again they are expected to have the experience and knowledge to know what it what. I do feel that results should be scrutinised better and more safeguards put in place to stop kids moving up the grades far too quickly. Dont know how you would police this, but it might stop some awful riding and accidents. By the way, thanks for your nice comments, Mini TX did have a great year. I on the other hand cant wait for 11.59 pm on the 31 December.
 
Thistle said:
I didn't write to BE as that particular sec has made it clear in published comments that they will blacklist anyone who rocks the boat. They run a few events and as we don't have many nearby I would hate to lose them!

It's not one you would deal with OG.
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I'm amazed at that attitude - but not surprised to hear it. Are their events so oversubscribed that they can afford to treat 'customers' like that?

If the economic climate continues to put the squeeze on and BE have fewer competitors they may regret that intimidating approach in the future.....
 
OldGit said:
Blue. Dentistry was my first degree, wanted to do facial surgery so needed to do medical degree as part of this did basic surgical training including fellowship exams, rest assure if you fall off you won't be faced with someone who wants to take your teeth out!!!!
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OMG are you not clever enough!! Wish i had just a smidge of it!!! its not fair!!!!!!!

in ans to your que, for me i think there should be a system in place whereby you have to prove yourself as a horse and rider <combination before> you can move up! At higher level saftey i do wonder if there is something in the steeple chase being taken out(as LG did point out), are there more rotational falls now than when we had steeplechase??????? If so i think you have to wonder??????? what im sort of trying to say is (im blonde) at steeplechase you establish a well defined gallop and jump rhythm and then transfer that to the xc, and also due to having the SC were the horses that much fitter??? Im deffo not qualified to offer experience as a rider at top level but just a general observation!! 'yerisawellcleveroldgit'!!!!!!!
 
From the medical side: suggest readingthe NECPOD trauma report for recommendations for planning medical attendance. Would also look at the motorbiking races medical plans as they are very stringent.

(Oddly was discussing this at work as looking at a major trauma reconfig and have colleagues who are in to a variety of lethal sports)

http://www.ncepod.org.uk/2007t.htm
 
Thistle said:
One thing I came up against this year which def needs addressing.

B had a bad run and needed to move down a level to regain confidence.
Due to BE entry system entry was already in for next 2 events.

contacted entry sec of next event and asked to move down. Was told she would be put at bottom of wait list (despite entering early for the event and using a ballot sticker) and it was very unlikely she would get a run. Other alternative was to forfeit the almost £70 entry fee.

Sec took late entries and 7 entries on the day (hand written on sheet) but refused to give her a run.

So here the rider has recognised there is a problem and asked for help to be safe. Entries sec refusing to help and encouraging he to 'give it a go' at the level she had a problem at.

How on earth can that be safe?
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That is disgusting!!! hope you reported it to BE.

Old Git - just think how lucky you are to be an old git, not a young git! :D Can you imagine how much it would cost to do dentistry and then medicine these days (let alone in a few years time :(:mad:)
 
Can I just clarify that I did not infer that fence judges should intervene, nor should they become first aiders! I suggested that they should be (not in all cases) more aware of what is happening at their fence and be able to "respond" (communicate) in an appropriate manner.

I am aware that they are volunteers and do a sterling job!
 
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