Olympic Outrage

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I am so shocked having just seen the Show Jumping phase of the modern pentathlon at the Olympics and I was wondering what others thought. The format of the phase as far as I understand is that the competitors are drawn a horse to ride, one which they have never ridden before and then given was it 20 minutes to get to know it before they have to jump a course of show jumps.
What followed in many cases can only be described as an outrage! The riders, who in many cases where given a whip and spurs, had a clear inability to ride a horse, let alone jump it. I found some of the rounds almost unbearable to watch. Rider after rider socked their horses in the mouth as they jumped, making it almost impossible for the horse to even jump the fence. As they did so the horses could not make the back rails of parallels or distances in combinations, consequently they came crashing down on poles to the point where one horse looked rather lame.
Horses were also continually ridden to fences on impossible strides and then when they understandably refused as they had had enough of such bad riding, they were usually then quite horribly smacked with the whip. (And bearing in mind these were in most cases big strong men, who are athletes, who were riding them).
What’s worse is that due to the format of the competition the horses and riders it seemed could have fallen off and stopped at every fence and they could still carry on to the end of the course. If they had two refusals at a fence they simply missed it out and went on to the next one. This meant the horses suffering continued long after the round should have stopped. In addition to this each horse did more than one round, that is each horse might have a number of different riders. So having had one awful experience, the poor horses might have to go in again for more of the same.
What made this all worse was the BBC commentator who clearly was completely clueless, who continually blamed the horses for all the riders falling off, horses refusing and poles crashing down. At one point someone got round and the commentator said “finally a horse that works”!!!! My opinion was that in most cases the horses were very honest and forgiving to have even carried on. And I can’t believe that the horses selected would not have been fit for purpose given a half decent rider – as some indeed did demonstrate.
The whole thing was an outrage, particularly for a sport at Olympic level. The crowd appeared suitably entertained at all the people falling of etc, but I didn’t think it was very entertaining, just very unfair on the horses. Admittedly I didn’t watch it all, but in what I did watch I only saw a few riders pat their horse and the whip used inappropriately so many times.
 

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Not exactly an Olympic quality ground conditions or riding. Horrid to watch. The lowlights (including one horse falling):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/modern_pentathlon/7574994.stm


One full round (Yahor Lapo of Belarus on PingPing):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/modern_pentathlon/7574507.stm


The same horses will be used on Friday for the womens pentathlon. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/aug/21/olympics2008.olympicsmodernpentathlon

Let’s hope the women are better riders and the ground conditions are improved.
 

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That is unbelievable! This is a complete welfare issue and I am shocked no one has said anythihng about this before! All the other equestrians at the Olympics should be outraged and the FEI should stop it!
 

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It was a complete and utter disgrace. A lot of views, including mine, have been pposted on other threads, but whoever is the governing body of this sport needs to have a rethink about its inclusion. Does this awful display occur in other pentathlete competitions or was this one particularly bad?
 

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I do think they should have to pass some sort of competency test to compete. I watched it last time and it was awful then. one guy fell pulled the bridle off and then remounted without it!
I don't know where those poor horses came from but they won't be getting mine for 2012!
It seems to me that the fences are unnecessarily large for the quality of competitor. If the fences were smaller at least the poor horses would be less likely to hurt themselves or get brought down. If they are that bad at the other sports it is only themselves that get hurt. It is definitely a welfare issue because there is a serious accident waiting to happen with "riding" like that.
 

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Yes I watched this this evening and was horrified by it, especially the horse that looked really lame after falling on the rider, the going looked really bad as well. The comentator on BBC1 found it amusing! Obviously not a horsey person!
 

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I watched it and my jaw just kept dropping.

I realise that these riders are not 'experts' but surely their basic training would have instilled in them the basics, ie not using the reins as aids to keep in the saddle. Those poor upset and confused horses!
I was watching on BBCi and the commentators made me hang my head in shame. Its bad enough seeing horses hauled around by their mouths, but for the commentators, and the BBC to handle it all as some kind of amusing joke is another.

The format begs to be changed, I feel for those poor horses, who were obviously used in the very essence of the word.
I think the course was too big, the riders all seemed to be hopelessly over horsed and medal fever took precident over empathy. Maybe a handy hunter type test would be better, I dunno, anything than the appalling events I witnessed today.
 

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Unfortunately I have yet to see any footage as I am abroad ATM and cannot get any to work.

My question, WHY make it 1.20m?! Surely if the quality of horse and rider is in question then a course akin to PN/Disco height with a couple of *bogey* fences would be a sufficient test? Once you build a course over 1.10m, real riding comes into play.
 

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Once you build a course over 1.10m, real riding comes into play.

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But thats the point...they are world class pentathletes, its not suppose to be easy. The riding in some cases was shocking but the standard of the horses was not much better. The officials are the ones responsible for allowing horses to continue in the rounds...if the riders refuse to ride a certain horse they get disquailified or get maximum penalties which would completly knock them out of the competion and subsequently get them in serious trouble with the governing bodies. As I said several times yesterday...our GB athletes work extremely hard on their horse riding and are trained vigorously and intensively.

The comment made on previous threads about the riders doing a dressage test instead...seriously guys...we of all people should know that dressage is not an easy option to showjumping and if anything it would be much more difficult for the athletes to ride, dressage riders take MONTHS to build up a rappor with their horses and find the 'right buttons' to press and I think it would be asking way to much of someone to just 'hop on' and do a test under those sorts of conditions when they do not know the animal. Granted to do it show jumping is not much better but the horses are suppose to be school masters with a bit more of a point and shoot nature about them, not be the quirky nervous sort that was seen yesterday in the mens pentathlon.
I only hope that the women give a better display today and that the officials pay more attention to what is going on.
 

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I can see where you're coming from, Beanyowner, but the fact is it's an Olympic event that will showcase the sport and yesterday it looked horrific all round.
The horses were clearly not happy, not up to standard and looked miserable. The riders had a job doing anything with them, any rider would. If the course was down to 1 metre, say, at least they'd stand a chance of staying on/getting over. I agree that dressage is not at all easy but at least there would be less risk of falls/injuries.
Yesterday was a farce and the governing body of the sport need to take a long hard look at improving things for horses and riders; not one of us on here would wish our horses to go through what they did. I believe the number one rule that should always be abided by is that in all equestrian sports the safety and well being of the horse must be paramount. Unfortunately, yesterday that was thrown out the window.
 

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The riding was truly horrible! I am no Whitaker, but after seeing that would consider starting training for the 2012 pentathlon myself!
 
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But thats the point...they are world class pentathletes, its not suppose to be easy.

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No, but it should be to a standard where the majority of riders can get around the course with only 2/3 fences down, or a stop or two, with the best going clear.

The fact that a large majority of the riders could barely even make it around the course proves that the course is simply too big for the standard of the competitors. They either need to get better, or the course should be lowered - it is dangerous and unfair on the horses.

If someone posted pictures of people riding like that round a Foxhunter course, there would be outrage - I don't see why it is acceptable just because they also have to compete in other sports.
 
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