Olympic Rollkur rider Patrik Kittel

On the forehand ALL the time.

'Low in the frame' - they do have a nonsense term for every aspect bad/wrong riding, don't they?
 
I'm really disappointed some of the riders whose horses have clearly been trained in this way got high marks.
In the commentary it was mentioned the Dutch & Polish riders had been eliminated in a previous competition due to "welfare issues". Was this Rolkur?
The Dutch rider's horse was over bent during the test but still scored highly. Why?
 
This is what I can't understand, if the head has to be not beyond the vertical, why are they riding this way all the time, risking penalties, well presumably they are not being penalised.
The vertical is 90 degrees, and very few are one this.
 
M_G said:
A friend tweeted Horse & Hound and asked them to back our 'Turn your back on rollkur' campaign, and there response was laughable:
"We will not encourage this unsportsmanlike behaviour"

Rollkur is so sportsman like.. I will not be buying H&H again and I know of many more who are canceling their subscriptions...horse and hound used to be cutting edge sadly it is no more
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Cancelled my subscription some time ago, its going downhill all the time. confirmed their stance this week.....
 
Miss L Toe said:
This is what I can't understand, if the head has to be not beyond the vertical, why are they riding this way all the time, risking penalties, well presumably they are not being penalised.
The vertical is 90 degrees, and very few are one this.
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I second this. I am also confused why this is not picked up.
 
I just don't understand why these riders score so highly, but then again I prefer the tests that look effortless and natural, like the Portuguese pair
 
I wasn't able to watch the coverage of it & can't find anywhere to watch it online but have seen a few pictures on my facebook and it's just awful :( I don't understand how they can just get away with this, poor horses.
 
oh COME ON horse and stupid hound!!!!!!!! if that response quoted earlier is correct youre doing ALL of us a diservice!!!!!! a few horrid people aside WE DONT DO ROLLKUR OVER HERE!!!!!!! AND WE DONT WANT TO SEE IT AT OUR OLYMPICS!!!!!!! well i dont anyway and im sure im not alone. what can be done though? who do we complain to? about horse and hounds response as well as this hideous practice?

im so angry that the "top selling equestrian magazine" of the host country should turn a blind eye to this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
just caught up with all of this - been at aston le walls (no rollkur in sight there :p ) can't believe this response and the inference it is a single photo and we shouldn't regard what it shows!

Not sure I want to watch all the tests now if they are like that, can i ask what apart from Team GB tests are worth watching, was Fuego good?
 
Was there today. All very quiet when he entered the arena, & pretty quiet when he exited. He did a big wave of triumph but no one was taking a lot of notice! Fuego was delightful!.

A good day but lots of busy hands and concrete riding.

Charlotte a different kettle of fish entirely!
 
Adelinde Cornelissen's test on Parcival was horrible to watch and it is a travesty that she got 80% plus. As soon as she entered the arena the horse's head was cranked into his chest and she never got off his mouth for a second.

The ugly face of dressage, when compared to the lovely flowing tests of, well, our British riders really!
 
Stilldreamin' said:
Adelinde Cornelissen's test on Parcival was horrible to watch and it is a travesty that she got 80% plus. As soon as she entered the arena the horse's head was cranked into his chest and she never got off his mouth for a second.

The ugly face of dressage, when compared to the lovely flowing tests of, well, our British riders really!
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I totally agree... I thought both horse and rider looked tense the whole way through. Not even comparable to the harmony that Charlotte and Valegro have together.
 
From comments made about the horses' way of going, rollkur doesn't work! Frame too low, reinback issues etc etc.

Is it only intended to produce the 'extravagant' movement at the expense of the overall outline?

Would be grateful for an expert explanation.
 
Just watched both tests.. adelinde was ridic, I'm not sure sawing your horses mouth with a horizontal curb in front of the judges box is a great advertisement.. and love that Mike then choose to mention welfare concerns!

Its great that these horses can now stand still just can't reinback :rolleyes:

I do feel a bit for the judges though re scandic's test I watched fuego previously and (although he is v. 'necky') was btv as much as scandic was and they can only judge what is in front of them. Though I'd have dropped a mark for every movement for adelinde after her entry display :mad:
 
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