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My beloved horse is out on LWVTB (due to be bought by 8th June) as I have been forced to give up due to injury.

He has been with his loanee since the beginning of March and I gave space to settle. 2 weeks ago I had a call from her to say that she was finding him a bit spooky and also that he was making a bit of a wheezing noise in canter. She thought the spooking was a settling in thing and the coughing was because she had him on straw so changed him to shavings. I asked her to update me at then end of the month....

Today I called her and found that one of his eyes is bloodshot (his left, he always spooks to the right) and that a vet looked at his breathing 2 weeks ago and thinks he has an upper respiratory problem :mad: :mad: This is the first time I knew the vet had looked at him because of this - he has never had any breathing problems.

I just don't know what to do now. She is unsure if she wants to buy him. I am not really in a position to have him back (would have to find a yard and a rider plus it sounds like he is not the saleable horse he was) but I don't think I want him staying there as it is not the perfect home I was led to believe it could be :(:(

What do I do?? Just get him back and sort it all out from there? Or give her til the 8th June and hope to god she buys him or that he isn't ruined completely? Sit here and bawl my eyes out in the hope that helps?! Take up smoking again??!!

Freash baked chocolate banana bread for all :o
 
it is not the perfect home I was led to believe it could be
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Why, because she's had the vet up to investigate something that she thought was a problem? Sounds like a very sensible and caring person.

Talk to her. Find out exactly what she wants to do - offer her a reduction if that makes the sale.

If she doesn't want him, make arrangements to have him back.

Simples.:rolleyes:
 
I think you have to have him back. I wouldn't leave him there until the 8th June. It doesn't sound like she wants to buy him.
 
other than forcing him to smoke 40 Lambert and Butler a day Im not sure that loaner has done anything wrong, except maybe not telling you earlier bout vet visit.

if you dont feel comfy selling him to her, then take him back, he's your horse after all. If you are OK with it, talk to her about whether she still wants to buy.
 
Hi
I really sympathise with your situation but think you need to get your horse back as you said it isn't the perfect home you were led to believe it was and therefore you would be doing the horse an injustice to leave it where it is.
I really think that it would be better to get the horse back sort the situation out and hopefully find a more suitable home for it .

Good luck xxx
 
If she doesn't want to buy him you have no choice but to have him back so I'd start making arrangements now just in case.
I don't know why you think he is ruined and less saleable - it just sounds like he's had a couple of health problems and that the vet is treating them. I agree with Amymay, it sounds like the loaner is being very sensible and the horse is receiving treatment.
 
^^ ditto DD really and TBH a horse is an expensive animal, not many people want to take on a horse with a known problem, when they can get a healthy horse for peanuts nowerdays.

Hope he turns out okay though.
 
I really think that it would be better to get the horse back sort the situation out and hopefully find a more suitable home for it .
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What is unsuitable about it???? Failing to understand........
 
Ask her straight out if she wants to buy him.

if so, proceed with the sale now.

if not, bring him home, sort the issues and re-advertise.

I wouldn't wait another month though.
 
I think your loanee has been very responsible. She informed you when she had a couple of concerns, changed his bedding, had the vet out. I can't see, from what you have written, why your horse would be returned you ruined. I think you need to stop panicking:) If you are not happy with her and she has indicated she is not happy with your horse then you will need to sort out livery. When loaning there is always the possibility that things won't work out so you should have a back up plan in place. No need to take up the ciggies, just a few deep breaths:D
 
Thank you for all your opinions :)

QR - I guess i feel it is an unsuitable home as he is IMHO not spooky at all but a decent RC horse who should be enjoyed and have fun and to me it sounds like she is having problems cantering a circle in a school.....she hasn't hacked at all. I want my boy to go to a home where he will be as adored as he was here. There is no way I would sell him if i could avoid it. I feel he is ruined as IMO he know has a wind problem that has never existed before and am probably thinking the worst possible scenario that could be (my luck is atrocious this year, I am not expecting it to change!!)

DD/Kitsune/millitiger - thank you , I think that is where I am at and you guys confirmed it, I want him home so I can sort things for the best for him. I would go and see him but he is 6 hours away and my back can't handle that sort of journey :(:( Will start looking for livery and a rider :o
 
I too fail to see how the loanee has done anything wrong?

It sounds like she has been nursing him though a few problems and has now notified you about them. Its nto liek she didn't get vet treatment and has just called you to say she dosnt want him and that he has been left suffering. It does sound like she is doing the best by the situation. However if he is not sutable for her after all she has tried , i would not hold it against her, she is just being honest.

I would ask her if she still wants to go ahead with the sale, it may be she wants a bit longer to see if the problems improve,, before she comits fully to a sale. Especially if she has just paid out to have the horse seen to by a vet. If she does still want to go ahead with the sale, it isnt unreasonable that she may ask for a reduction in the price.

However i think in any case i would want to speak to the vet treating the horse and find out what is wrong and when they attended the horse ect.

however i think it is a bit unfair to ask for him home for no really reason after she has spent time nursing him though problems.
 
PapaFrita said:
Well, if the person who has him now doesn't want him, then I suppose it could be deemed 'unsuitable'.
I do think she's behaved in a very responsible manner though.
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I do also, she has contated you and told you what is going on, and has seeked treatment for the horse. the breathing could just be a virus, my mares had one that had her out of work for 6 weeks and even now her breathing isnt quiet back to normal (she is still under my vets care and we are giving it a couple of weeks before deciding to scope her. )

maybe to put your mind at rest speak to the vet that has treated him, and maybe get her to do a video of her riding him for you so that you can have a look and see if there is anything you an pick up on.

I relly dont think that even thinking she may of caused theses problems is fair.
 
Maybe I am over reacting a bit or didn't explain......to me I have sent her my charrming, well-behaved and 100% healthy horse who would happily go out and get placed at anything, hacks alone or in company

And I have now been told he is spooking, shying, cantering off across the school, coughing, making a noise in canter and has damaged an eye. That is not my boy :mad: :( so i guess that is not the right home for him

He is seeing the vet again this week at my request so that both of us are clear as to what is going on. I have a full vet check report from before he went which details that he is in excellent helth (although a little overweight!)
 
But horses can and do behave differently with different people and they can and do get sick/injured through no fault of the person who has them in her care. Whilst I understand how upset and worried you must be (honestly, I do because I'm in a similar boat) I think it's wrong of you to assume that any of this has been caused by the person loaning him, and from what'you've posted she's done exactly the right thing... would you have preferred she DIDN'T phone the vet?
 
Maybe the spooking is because of the damaged eye?

It's bad luck, horses get ill and injure themselves all the time. Thats a major risk of LWVTB. I'm sure his potential new owner is upset that she has a horse who spooks and canters off with wind problems and an injured eye too.

Have him back if she doesn't want him, try to get him sorted and then re sell. Or loan.
 
If she's having riding problems with him they are likely down to him being in a relatively new home and trying his luck - and the loaner probably doesnt know him well enough to ride him perfectly.

As for the respiratory problem that could be down to dusty hay - easily manageable - even if its RAO then its manageable. And accidents do happen.

All in all i think you are worrying too much, which is natural BUT, if he is one in a million - her having him for a few months will probably not ruin him. He'll come back as he was and you can look for another forever home for him.

Best of luck and try not to worry x
 
I apologise if I have come across as blaming her....I don't think that's how i see it, I am just kicking myself for taking the risk of a LWVTB (which I only did as she seemed the perfect home), devastated and very worried about my darling neddy and really not relishing the thought of having to organisehaving him home :(

Somethingorother - I thought that too :( and if its a permanent damage then he is not going to be an easy horse to loan/sell :(

**must try and find a positive take on it all**
 
The positives are that she is trying to sort things out and has come to you for advice which shows she does care about your horse. rather than demanding you go and pick him up etc.

have you asked her if she wants to carry on with the originally agreement?
 
To be honest it sounds as though you arent happy with the LWVTB scenario full stop.

Its not this lady who has your horse now but more that you are not in control of the situation which is bothering you. In your shoes I would have the horse back and get settled in your own mind that he is healthy, that these vet issues are just a blip, and then start again maybe with him staying in your ownership and control but with a new rider. If this lady still shows an interest by June and is willing to buy then you can have a rethink given the state of his health at that time.

There does come a point where you have to let go and resign yourself to the fact that the horses fate isnt in your hands but I do appreciate how difficult it can be.
 
JoG said:
Maybe I am over reacting a bit or didn't explain......to me I have sent her my charrming, well-behaved and 100% healthy horse who would happily go out and get placed at anything, hacks alone or in company

And I have now been told he is spooking, shying, cantering off across the school, coughing, making a noise in canter and has damaged an eye. That is not my boy :mad: :( so i guess that is not the right home for him
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I'm afraid I think you might be over-reacting... the spooking and shying could be due to the bad eye and or him just taking the mick especially with the cantering off across the school. Teething problems IMO. common with relatively new partnerships. As for the coughing and noise in canter, it all sounds relatively mild and could be due to dusty hay (my boy coughed on unsoaked hay for a while but was unaffected by straw) and or straw and indeed shavings (if of the poorer variety) OR it could be down to the fact that he is (or Was) overweight... all of which can be managed and the loanee shouldn't be frowned at for calling the vet. At the end of the day there are NO guarantees with horses - you would not believe the bad luck I have had with mine sustaining injuries etc but that is all it is. Bad luck and unavoidable at that.

I would just gently find out how she's feeling about proceeding with the sale and let her know you need as long as possible to make alternative arrangements for him if she doesn't want him.
 
Could be something as simple as an allergy: i.e. where he is now there is a crop that he has not been exposed to before. It is not necessarily mismanagement that has caused his wheezing.
 
Weezy said:
Could be something as simple as an allergy: i.e. where he is now there is a crop that he has not been exposed to before. It is not necessarily mismanagement that has caused his wheezing.
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ditto this, my mare can not be kept in a certain area where we are due to the fact she coughs terribly, move her 2 miles away and shes fine.
 
amymay said:
What is unsuitable about it???? Failing to understand........
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Ditto this, sorry but I'm struggling to understand what she has done wrong.... Not to say that I don't sympathise with your situation, but i think you're being unfair to suggest that she is at fault. Give her a ring and ask where the land lies and whether you need to be making plans to have him back!! :(
 
Weezy/asbo - that is handy to know, thank you. He has moved some distance...

Dipsey - I don't think i've suggested that she is at fault - but i am worrying as having agreed to loan prior to buying this person is now unsure they do want to buy the horse because of things that have happened whilst in her care. To me that is a Kleenex approach!!!

Having him back, if it comes to that, is for me an emotional, practical and financial nightmare :( I just really wanted advice on do I get him back now or hold out for another month and hope that I am imagining worst case scenarios and he doesn't in fact have permanently damaged eyesight and wind. As all our horse are surely very important to us, is that not easy to understand?!
 
There's a real stinker of a cough doing the rounds up here. It's not a panic job, and they aren't off colour, but it is an infrequent 'dusty bedding' thing which you eventaully realise is a virus, is highly contagious and a pain til it has gone.

I don't get why you think you horse has now got a respiratory problem?

I'd want to at least visit and check the eye thing - or speak to the vet dealing with it. Eyes really are urgent.
 
brighteyes said:
I don't get why you think you horse has now got a respiratory problem?

I'd want to at least visit and check the eye thing - or speak to the vet dealing with it. Eyes really are urgent.
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Aparently when he was seen a fortnight ago the vet said change his bedding and if there is no improvement he'll need to be endoscoped as she thinks it is indicative of a upper respiratory "problem" - i only learnt this today, two weeks ago I was told he had a bit of a cough so she'd changed his bedding. no mention of a vet visit required, no mention of noises whilst working, it was just a passing comment yet today it is being made out as something she is very concerned about and will prevent her buying him. To me noises when being exercised is a lot more than a hay cough but I do also know I am a very paranoid person atm :(

Completely agree with the eye thing - which she says has been there since she's had him which I know he did not leave the yard with :( He is too far for me to go and see :(
 
Rather than sit worrying and toying over what to do, why dont you make the effort and go and see your horse. Why is he too far for you to go and see??? Dont drive? Cant get on a train?? Cant give up a day of your time?? Yes it is a long trek but tbh If it was my horse and I was worried I would be up there like a shot. If you dont go then its a good job she is calling the vet out and is trying her best with your horse. If you went you willget a real idea of his eye problem, his wind problem and you can discuss whether he is coming back and whether it is urgent.
Have to say I would be livid if I sent off a perfectly fit and happy horse and then get one back with a bad eye and wind problems. I do hope as others have said it is down to something easily sorted but if it isnt.
 
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Rather than sit worrying and toying over what to do, why dont you make the effort and go and see your horse. Yes it is a long trek but tbh If it was my horse and I was worried I would be up there like a shot. You will get a real idea of his eye problem, his wind problem and you can discuss whether he is coming back and whether it is urgent.
Have to say I would be livid if I sent off a perfectly fit and happy horse and then get one back with a bad eye and wind problems. I do hope as others have said it is down to something easily sorted but if it isnt.
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It is not a question of "effort" it is a physical disability which prevents that amount of travel. If my back wasn't completely knackered then he would never have been up for sale!
 
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