ucmeicu
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well if you can sit in a chair you can sit on a train?
OMFG - Advice please!!
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Renvers
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It must be tough on you - as you have only loaned him at the moment he is still yours and you obviously love him. Can you get someone you trust to visit him?
Sounds like the girl has done the right things in getting the vet - but if you aren't getting the full picture but piecemeal I can imagine you would be anxious about what is happening.
The eye thing really concerns me tho - has she told you anything more about it? Is it damage or aggravation (ie from dust).
I know my horse totally changed behaviour and ended up unrideable for a while when we moved to fields between a speedway and a forest. As soon as we left he was his old self. maybe other factors are at play?
Wish you best of luck in whatever you decide but think you have to make decision you can live with best...
Sounds like the girl has done the right things in getting the vet - but if you aren't getting the full picture but piecemeal I can imagine you would be anxious about what is happening.
The eye thing really concerns me tho - has she told you anything more about it? Is it damage or aggravation (ie from dust).
I know my horse totally changed behaviour and ended up unrideable for a while when we moved to fields between a speedway and a forest. As soon as we left he was his old self. maybe other factors are at play?
Wish you best of luck in whatever you decide but think you have to make decision you can live with best...
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Serenity087
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It's a tough one. My LWVTB took advantage to ruin a perfectly good horse for free, and then send her home (well, she had the nerve to refuse to let me collect her! At first because she was going on holiday!! Then because she'd lost a shoe! (the three hanging off her incredably badly shod feet were more of a problem!!!)).
We find out this summer whether or not my girl will ever be ridden again.
I'd never have agreed to a LWVTB in the first place as a result. However. In this instant, although the describing odd behaviour is the same as my senario (apparently a horse incaperble of getting her feet 2 inches off the floor was now a chronic rearer) - but your loanee has actually bothered to get the vet out (mine didn't, we were the ones who had to geta diagnosis!! only took 6 months...) and make improvements!
It's a toughy, but I don't think your loanee is an unsuitable home. I do, however, understand that horrid feeling you get when you realise someone else is responsible for your baby.
I cried most the way home, I still don't think I can ever apologise enough to my poor girl!
We find out this summer whether or not my girl will ever be ridden again.
I'd never have agreed to a LWVTB in the first place as a result. However. In this instant, although the describing odd behaviour is the same as my senario (apparently a horse incaperble of getting her feet 2 inches off the floor was now a chronic rearer) - but your loanee has actually bothered to get the vet out (mine didn't, we were the ones who had to geta diagnosis!! only took 6 months...) and make improvements!
It's a toughy, but I don't think your loanee is an unsuitable home. I do, however, understand that horrid feeling you get when you realise someone else is responsible for your baby.
I cried most the way home, I still don't think I can ever apologise enough to my poor girl!
JoG
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Suze - she has said very little about the eye, otehr than dropping into conversation that it's blood shot. I then told her it was definitely not normal, asked which eye it was (left) and which way he always shys to (right), worked out the eye could be causing the spooking and told her to get the vet out ASAP 
Harper_gal - those are all my worries, by feeling like i have been "dripfed" bits of information I worry what the whole truth is and can only think of all the horror stories when i advertised i was not going to loan at all but she seemed the perfect home, he got on with her amazingly when she tried him so I thought I would be getting the right place for him - I know think I have let him down
Harper_gal - those are all my worries, by feeling like i have been "dripfed" bits of information I worry what the whole truth is and can only think of all the horror stories
when i advertised i was not going to loan at all but she seemed the perfect home, he got on with her amazingly when she tried him so I thought I would be getting the right place for him - I know think I have let him down MissMincePie&Brandy
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I do sympathise with you. It is not easy selling a beloved horse, and it must be tougher still while you are trying to recover from your injury. I have suffered with my back, so I can appreciate how you can't bear the jarring of car and train journeys! Try not to panic though. I think if the girl decides not to buy him, you ought to get him back sooner rather than later, and I'm guessing he'll be back to his old self and fully saleable again very soon.
The respiratory problem may be something which is easily cured. There is a lot of utterly appalling hay around and being fed to some horses at the moment due to the hay shortage, and if I was asked to have a guess why, my first thought would be the hay. I am currently feeding mine (at huge expense) horse hage as all of our suppliers have run out of acceptable hay.
The eye could be just a simple case of an allergy, or perhaps he caught it on something and a few antibiotic eye drops might be needed to clear up an infection. The recent warm weather may also have triggered a mild case of conjunctivitis.
He could be spooking for any number of reasons with the new girl, but if he was 100% before then I can't see why he wont be again.
The respiratory problem may be something which is easily cured. There is a lot of utterly appalling hay around and being fed to some horses at the moment due to the hay shortage, and if I was asked to have a guess why, my first thought would be the hay. I am currently feeding mine (at huge expense) horse hage as all of our suppliers have run out of acceptable hay.
The eye could be just a simple case of an allergy, or perhaps he caught it on something and a few antibiotic eye drops might be needed to clear up an infection. The recent warm weather may also have triggered a mild case of conjunctivitis.
He could be spooking for any number of reasons with the new girl, but if he was 100% before then I can't see why he wont be again.
SmartieBean09
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I agree. My mare cant open her left eye fully and both are always gunky. She also headshakes and needs a supplement for these problems. This is because of a pollen allergy or so I was told. I have moved her into a different paddock with different grazing ( about 200 mtrs up from the farm) which also isnt as dusty and hey presto......no problems and her eyes are fine for the first time in the 8 years I have owned her!!
Firewell
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Why on earth did you loan him to someone so far away? Especially when you know you can't travel!!
I keep my loan horse 1.5hrs away from his owner and I still think that's about the limit.
It sounds to me as if you are guessing as to what is really going on. You need to organise to go and see him and have a serious face to face conversation with the loaner. Only then will you know for definite 1. How bad the health problems are and if they are the result of bad mamagent and 2. If the loaner is serious about buying the horse or not. You can't keep guessing or basing your decisons on assumption.
I'm sorry to say but I think it was very irresponsible of you to loan him out to someone so far away when you knew that you wouldn't be able to travel there in an emergency.
I keep my loan horse 1.5hrs away from his owner and I still think that's about the limit.
It sounds to me as if you are guessing as to what is really going on. You need to organise to go and see him and have a serious face to face conversation with the loaner. Only then will you know for definite 1. How bad the health problems are and if they are the result of bad mamagent and 2. If the loaner is serious about buying the horse or not. You can't keep guessing or basing your decisons on assumption.
I'm sorry to say but I think it was very irresponsible of you to loan him out to someone so far away when you knew that you wouldn't be able to travel there in an emergency.
pinktiger
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have you seen the eye and heard the breathing for yourself????? if not i would be sharing the journey up there with my own vet!! On conclusion i would be in deep talks with current loanie, and im afraid thats the chance that you take with long term loaning they become injured or ill, as they could do at home!! i feel a sorry for you as this should have been straight forward for you and now it is anything but and unfort thats horses for you!!! i think you need to go up there and if your not happy with the conclusion bring him back and have a rethink!!!
Tiffany
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Sorry to hear about your horse. It sounds like this person is either very caring and worried about his health or she likes him and is looking for ways to get his price reduced?
I would ring her and make arrangements to go and see him so you can assess him yourself. If you aren't happy I'd bring him home.
Good luck
I would ring her and make arrangements to go and see him so you can assess him yourself. If you aren't happy I'd bring him home.
Good luck
JoG
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Because it was only a 3month LWVTB and it was only arranged to allow her time to get a lump sum for payment, I guess him coming back never really became a realistic option......in hindsight I completely see your point
I have loaned horses before and would always treat them better than my own. I never intended to loan him but thought it was a perfect match, now the rider seems completely overhorsed and the horse's health is suffering
Sarah Sum1
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Hugs to you 
Must be worrying. He was never going to be the exactly same horse with her as he was with you, mainly due to fact that moving is stressful to most horses and it takes time to settle. She doesn't sound as though she is neglecting him, quite the opposite in fact. But it may not be the right home for your boy. I would give her till the 8th (itmay be a confidence thing with the loanee and she may need to get used to your horse) But you could start putting the feelers out for perspective new buyers. I know you must be worried but from a non biased POV it doesn't seem as though your horse is at risk at all. Sods law with the breathing difficulties (again could be stress! stress has a huge impact on animals)
But again Big hugs Jog
Must be worrying. He was never going to be the exactly same horse with her as he was with you, mainly due to fact that moving is stressful to most horses and it takes time to settle. She doesn't sound as though she is neglecting him, quite the opposite in fact. But it may not be the right home for your boy. I would give her till the 8th (itmay be a confidence thing with the loanee and she may need to get used to your horse) But you could start putting the feelers out for perspective new buyers. I know you must be worried but from a non biased POV it doesn't seem as though your horse is at risk at all. Sods law with the breathing difficulties (again could be stress! stress has a huge impact on animals) But again Big hugs Jog
spaniel
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Am I the only one somewhat concerned that this horse was examined by a vet and it took 2 weeks before the OWNER was contacted?
JoG
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sarahsum1 and misinterpreted - thank you both SO much for your very kind comments and the hugs, it really means a lot I am trying to remain calm (with a little help from mr Chablis 
)
And also thank you to the people who Pm'd me to offer to go have a look. The vet is due on Thursday and I have asked that they phone me directly with their opinion (not sure how that was taken
) but from there I may well take you up on your offers (he is somewhere near the lake district, my geography is shocking )
and the hugs, it really means a lot I am trying to remain calm (with a little help from mr Chablis )And also thank you to the people who Pm'd me to offer to go have a look. The vet is due on Thursday and I have asked that they phone me directly with their opinion (not sure how that was taken
) but from there I may well take you up on your offers (he is somewhere near the lake district, my geography is shocking )
Sarah Sum1
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No, i agree that was a bad move on her part. But she got the vet out, and the horse was looked at, i'd be more worried if she hadn't.
ETA, JOG did you ask her why she didn't contact you as soon as vet left?
JoG
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So it isn't just me who thought that was odd then
I did have to say (through gritted teeth) "when did he see a vet and why" when she told me...it was before the last time I spoke to her when she implied he had a dry cough so she had taken it upon herself to change his bedding. Not what today has become - the vet said change his bedding and if there is no improvement I'll scope him
spaniel
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hmmmmmmm, the cynic in me smells a rat.
Sarah Sum1
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Just to add JOG if your gut instcinct is telling you to bring him home then do it. I often ignore the feeling in my belly and those nagging thoughts. But if you keep having to talk yourself out of bringing him home, then you should bring him home (if that makes sense) 
JoG
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I have started a list of possibly livery to call tomorrow - even if its grass livery initially - just to have him home
I was worried that he was being spooky, that's just not him, he always looks after me (but we have a blast also) now I just have this image of him being sad and feeling pants and wondering what he did for me to send him there Not that I am one to humanise my animals or anything
I was worried that he was being spooky, that's just not him, he always looks after me (but we have a blast also
) now I just have this image of him being sad and feeling pants and wondering what he did for me to send him there Not that I am one to humanise my animals or anything 
HollyB66
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Just a few thoughts, but he has only been with the loanee for 8 weeks, that is not really enough time for them to have built up a trusting relationship. So, it wouldn't be surprising that he might be behaving a bit spookily. Until he knows he can rely on her, he will be carrying some of the responsibility on his own shoulders which will make him more jumpy.
Also, because they haven't yet built a sound relationship, the loanee will not be feeling as confident as she might otherwise be. She may have lost a little confidence as he will be feeling a bit different from when she tried him at your place. It's possible they just need more time together to settle down.
The cantering off in the school could also be down to her losing a little confidence and him taking advantage. Perhaps she is gripping on a little too tight if she is now slightly nervy.
My horse coughs when she starts exercising, especially if she has been munching hay whilst being tacked up. It does pass though, and if I had had a vet to visit they wouldn't find much and potentially might suggest an endoscope.
Sorry, no real advice, except don't panic until you are in possession of the facts. The loanee may just need a boost to her confidence as far as how long it takes to build a relationship.
Hope you get to see him or get a view from someone you feel you can trust to give you a truer picture. Most of all, hope it turns out well for you all.
Also, because they haven't yet built a sound relationship, the loanee will not be feeling as confident as she might otherwise be. She may have lost a little confidence as he will be feeling a bit different from when she tried him at your place. It's possible they just need more time together to settle down.
The cantering off in the school could also be down to her losing a little confidence and him taking advantage. Perhaps she is gripping on a little too tight if she is now slightly nervy.
My horse coughs when she starts exercising, especially if she has been munching hay whilst being tacked up. It does pass though, and if I had had a vet to visit they wouldn't find much and potentially might suggest an endoscope.
Sorry, no real advice, except don't panic until you are in possession of the facts. The loanee may just need a boost to her confidence as far as how long it takes to build a relationship.
Hope you get to see him or get a view from someone you feel you can trust to give you a truer picture. Most of all, hope it turns out well for you all.
Renvers
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I have started a list of possibly livery to call tomorrow - even if its grass livery initially - just to have him home
If that is what will make you feel best about the situation have him come home. From your posts if I were in your situation I would always wonder if I did the right thing by selling him to this person.
Sarahsmum is spot on - go with your instinct
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starbar
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At the risk of sounding really cynical, you mentioned she needed 3 months to get the money together to buy him, and suddenly your lovely sounding horse develops problems that could affect his value. I'd be very tempted to get him home, if she keeps him you'll only worry.
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ofcourseyoucan
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well here we go be glad that loanee has got the vet! but lets back track what was the loan view to buy contract?(and the who is responsible for what) the coughing could be localised induced? rape seed near by, bedding, quality of hay etc? the zooming off in canter in school? would query diet, turnout, work versus feed ratio? and hasnt hacked yet????????????????????????? she has had him for 2 months! (none of mine could do 8 weeks in the school without seeing the bogey man!!!) the damaged eye copuld be a serious thing. but you loaned with view to buy with a full vetting? and you did draw up a contract? As for your back problem 1 get it fixed!!!! a disc operable or not? some good chiroparacting and acupuncture should fix most things that an op cant! but does involve lots of exercises! As for your reason not to visit people in wheelchairs can travel the distance! and six hours can take you from devon to nearly scotland so cant simpathise there! and i also have a very bad back and can get anywhere i want! Get someone to take you to him and assess! and assess the home! might be a prank to get a couple of grand off the price! if yiou are really doubting the home fetch him back tommorrow on a transporter!
Bowen4Horses
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Why, because she's had the vet up to investigate something that she thought was a problem? Sounds like a very sensible and caring person.
Simples.
haven't read the full thread yet, but in the OP, it seems that the loaner had the vet out two weeks ago without telling the horse's owner and that the vet diagnosed problems then. yes, she's caring and responsible for calling the vet... but don't you think she could have told the horse's owner that there was something wrong with her horse?
apologies if this has been covered later in the thread... i'm just off to read it...
Aoibhin
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we also do not know what the owners back problems are or the severity so those saying you can sit in a chair get on a train or Fix it are slightly rude IMO, not all back conditions are fixable & some mean train travel is very dangerous. Going by the worry from OP i feel if they could get to their horse they would.
Bowen4Horses
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as far as i'm aware, the OP hasn't told us what is wrong with her back... for all you know she could have had an accident and broken it (or something similar) so i think telling her it's fixable is a bit rude
anyway, JoG, i hope he's okay. speak to the vet and see what they say. and fingers crossed it's nothing bad.
maybe ring the loaner up tomorrow and have a frank chat with her. plan what you're going to say in advance so you don't get upset/emotional etc.
good luck (((hugs))) xxxx
MissMincePie&Brandy
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Totally agree! Some comments by some people are disgraceful. I had a serious back injury when I was 13, and I was bedridden for almost 6 months, and had to be homeschooled for a year. Any movement of the spine and I was crippled with agony. I can still recall the pain, and that was over 20 years ago.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I'm sure the OP didn't plan her accident or having to sell her horse, and I'm sure the op only wanted the best home for him which is why the 3 month trial was agreed.
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Bowen4Horses
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exactamundo (oh yeah, i'm still stuck in the 80s...
) also, some of JoG's previous posts indicate she's a medical professional... so, she probably knows whether her back is fixable as whoever it was helpfully suggested...
xxx
ofcourseyoucan
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i sure the OP has taken on board the NICE recommendations for back treatment and care! as for the welfare of her horse then it is up to her. but a loan with view to buy should only have been released on a legally drawn up contact! and sorry back problems are the biggest claim on the NHS! most are fixable with chiropractic/ oesteopathy/acupuncture! but backs need on going treatment and extensive exersises!) and before you start i am employed by NHS specifically for back problems! her back and horse are 2 seperate entities! good luck Jog pull your horse back and hopeyou get your back sorted!