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I can't put up links via my phone but it's just gone on , as it came up on my facebook page. Horse wanted and it doesn't even have to be sound just as long as it can be hacked out. WHAT LAME!!

No wonder I won't sell anymore it's a cruel world out there.

I'm so close to e mailing a snotty reply as it's close to me
 
horses can be mechanically lame, which means the lamness is not pain related but can be caused by a lack of mobility in a joint. if a horse is happy to be ridden i think it should be
 
Couldn't they just mean they're prepared to give it treatment and care to get it sound first?

There are horses who need time off to come sound which the owner can't or doesn't want to give them. The owner of such a horse might be glad to give them a chance with someone who will.

Or it could be unsound in wind, but okay for light hacking? I had a lovely old gelding who gave me years of happy hacking but was slightly unsound in his lungs. :( It was called "broken winded" back then. He was a joy to own and a very happy boy.
 
I suppose not being sound is different to being lame that's the thing. Noisy wind would potentially be not sound wouldn't it. It might have no effect on the horse at all except it makes a noise.
 
Plenty of hunters are retired from other disciplines because they are not 100% sound. They have a second career as a hunter. Personally I think people are too hung up about everything being 100%. Very few horses, including top dressage horses, are actually 100% sound. My RC SJ/eventer retired from jumping due to ring/side bone and hunted until his 20s.
 
I am 47, have broken my my hip twice and limp very noticeably (especially when getting up from a session on the computer!) However, I can still do a full day's physical work mucking out, riding, haynets, etc, day in, day out, whatever the weather. If I were a horse I would be a loss of use case as I could never complete a cross country race. Should I just be tossed on the muckheap? I think not, and nor should a horse that is not 100%. The art is in assessing the problem, and matching the level of work happily attainable. It is called common sense.
 
I posted an advert on a number of websites a few weeks back (including Project Horses, thank you) looking for a light hack and companion horse, and I stated that it would suit an older or semi retired horse, or one unsuited to heavier work. Meaning that it doesn't have to be event fit, or even up to hunting - just light hacking. Is that cruel? I don't think so!

I now have the most wonderful little mare, who is 17 and sound. That is, she is marked as loss of use (which was eventing). So her tendons wouldn't stand up to high level competition but for light work she most certainly is sound, happy and healthy. She probably wouldn't pass a 5 star vetting but then again a lot of horses wouldn't.

At the age of 35 I have four steel pins in my foot, have several damaged vertebrae, and if there were vettings for humans I doubt I would pass. I couldn't do Olympic standard gymnastics but I can live my life perfectly healthily and happily.

Anyway I think I have made my point - just think carefully before firing off rude emails to people you don't know.
 
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I posted an advert on a number of websites a few weeks back (including Project Horses, thank you) looking for a light hack and companion horse, and I stated that it would suit an older or semi retired horse, or one unsuited to heavier work. Meaning that it doesn't have to be event fit, or even up to hunting - just light hacking. Is that cruel? I don't think so!

I now have the most wonderful little mare, who is 17 and sound. That is, she is marked as loss of use (which was eventing). So her tendons wouldn't stand up to high level competition but for light work she most certainly is sound, happy and healthy. She probably wouldn't pass a 5 star vetting but then again a lot of horses wouldn't.

At the age of 35 I have four steel pins in my foot, have several damaged vertebrae, and if there were vettings for humans I doubt I would pass. I couldn't do Olympic standard gymnastics but I can live my life perfectly healthily and happily.

Anyway I think I have made my point - just think carefully before firing off rude emails to people you don't know.
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^^ This, I know a horse with an old injury in his back leg, he isnt fully sound and you wouldnt be able to jump him or whizz him about anywhere. However he will take your novice nan out for a lovely hack at a nice plodding pace :-)
 
Maybe the advert was worded badly.

The person looking may not be looking to be cruel to a horse in pain.

I.E ride a "lame" horse.

They may mean as pointed out one not up to competing but still fine to hack or hunt etc.

Its down to the sell to insure the buyer is competant enough and not going to abuse or ill treat the horse in work that it is not capable off.
 
I would not be riding a lame horse full stop. I'm surprised that people will tbh.
A old semi retired horse etc is fine for light hacking if it's sound but shouldn't be hacked if it's lame no horse should.
 
If I were a horse I'd have been shot long ago. Like Gelderlander, I'm crippled when I stand up and it takes a good few strides to walk sound, it's not pretty:o But I also do a good day's hard work, every day, the more work I do, the better I am. I don't want to be pensioned off and put out to grass yet.:p
 
I have a mare who is retired with severe navicular. However for the last 4 years of her ridden life she wasn't sound. She had reduced mobility in 1 hock joint due to an old injury. I thought it was fairly noticeable but she did well at county level showing and happily hunted 3 seasons.

The vet said it wasn't due to pain, just lack of mobility and we just had to try and see what she was happy to do. She went on to go back into full work and was perfectly happy. But she wasn't sound.
 
My horse is "technically" lame. She is ridden, fit and happy. She has ringbone, sidebones, DJD, and slight Navicular changes.
Funny thing is, she was noticeably lame until she was bought back to work after 4 months off during diagnosis and now in work she is happy as larry! I am sure she would be crippled and stiff by now if she wasn't worked. And yesterday we even did our first dressage test :eek: With 60.43 and 5th place on our first ever trip out to dressage, not amazing but I for one am very pleased!

Dont judge until you know the ins and outs. Nobody would notice my mare was "lame" as she is managed correctly and is in no pain at all with the good management and treatment she gets :rolleyes:
 
One of ours was mechanically lame for months when he came back into work. The vet told us to work through it, no trotting, shift from walk to canter etc. Started off just going 300m down the road, a few months later he was back doing endurance. No amount of rest had brought this horse right, light work did. With horses, there is no point being pedantic about things, sometimes you actually do have to work horses through there lameness, obviously under the care of a vet.
There are a lot of horses out there at RC etc, who are techniacally lame ie at least 1/10th, but fulfil useful happy roles.
I am another who is usually lame at the trot up sadly.
 
thatsmygirl said:
I would not be riding a lame horse full stop. I'm surprised that people will tbh.
A old semi retired horse etc is fine for light hacking if it's sound but shouldn't be hacked if it's lame no horse should.
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You haven't said the advert says they are going to ride a lame horse. It said, "Doesn't have to be sound".

As already pointed out, unsoundness could be wind-related and not lameness. Or they could be saying they're prepared to nurse a horse until it is sound before riding it.

It does sound like you've jumped to some conclusions about the ad.
 
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Nudibranch you have stated your mare is sound so that's fine but would u ride her if she wasn't sound? Hope not.
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Is that a serious question?!

There are many horses whose tendons and other body parts won't stand up to heavy work. Just look at the number of ex racers around. However they ARE sound, they just wouldn't be if they were required to be at full fitness and do a lot of work at speed, jumping, etc etc. I doubt very much the person in the advert is looking for a lame horse they can abuse and ride. As has been pointed out repeatedly on this thread, there is a big difference.

I just hope you haven't sent them a snotty email because it's actions like that which give the riding world a bad name.
 
There are many many horses out there leading happy lives that would not pass a 5 stage vetting and hence probably technically 'lame' (not hopping but not sound in some way be it stiffness, eyesight, heart etc. etc.)
Just look at how many people buying/ selling have horses fail the vetting very unexpectedly.
I'm sure if you did flexion tests on my 19 y/o ex eventer or trotted him hard on concrete on a small circle you'd certainly spot something.
Arthritus is a great example, many people give a bute a day to help ease the stiffness and vets recommend light hacking to keep them moving - rather than full retirement.

Horses are never black and white !
 
I love this place.

It's a very entertaining mix of con artists, wooing the ladies.

Trolls, ranging from idiotic to vile.

Inexperienced fluffies
 
This thread has made me laugh :)

Pound to a penny if the OP had posted about how great she thought it was that someone out there was specifically looking for an 'unsound' horse to give it a home for light hacking the rest of the thread would have been full of posts saying 'omg, people want lame horses for free, you can't just hack anything, how lame does the horse has to be be? Do they know how to manage a horse that isn't sound?' etc etc.

So, this COULD be as the op suggests - a numpty willing to ride a lame horse because they will get it cheap..... Or free.... OR it could be as most of you suspect.

Nowt as queer as folk. Chin up OP :p
 
Sorry don't forget the techno numpties trying to post on phones (me)

Inexperienced fluffies getting all steamed up about things they don't understand.

And thankfully, the sane, sensible experienced horse people who's input is invaluable.

I've been here less than a year, but don't know how I lived without HHO. Never fails to throw up something to amuse, entertain or educate.

Won't comment on OP's fury. It's all been said if she chooses to take it on board.
 
Billiebliten to right, this has given me a laugh.

The next thread about " free horse for homing" or " old horse after new home" I will remember this when everybody shouts PTS how bad is that passing it on.

I stick by my view that it's disguesting to ride a lame horse.

This forum does make me laugh at the amount of posts which do state PTS, but now iv learnt it's ok to ride horses which aren't sound. I'm shocked I really am.

So wanted ads for unsound horses are fine but ads to home unsound horses ARE NOT.
That's not double standards at all.
 
Nadibranch the difference being a horse who has old injuries, tendons etc can be sound yes but they are sound not unsound.

So going by that any horse for sale that has old injuries should be classed as unsound?

This people has asked for a unsound horse not a horse who is sound but has old injuries.
 
My vet specifically told me the other day that Deano will probably never be 100% sound but that he will be 'more than rideable for years to come' (touch wood). So I guess it all depends on what you mean by 'sound'.
 
thatsmygirl said:
Nadibranch the difference being a horse who has old injuries, tendons etc can be sound yes but they are sound not unsound.

So going by that any horse for sale that has old injuries should be classed as unsound?

This people has asked for a unsound horse not a horse who is sound but has old injuries.
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I agree it depends on the horse, if they are in no pain and enjoy beng ridden and it's down to an old injury why not :-)


But if they mean buying something that would otherwise be PTS and in pain to ride it, then no that's cruel :-)
 
thatsmygirl said:
I stick by my view that it's disguesting to ride a lame horse.
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Can you genuinely not understand that a horse may be lame but not unrideable i.e mechanically lame? OH's horse went through tendon surgery and afer successfull rehab has been assessed by veterinary hospital as 2/10ths lame. He will be 2/10ths lame for the rest of his life.
Of course he is still been ridden regularly. We would not have put him through major surgery if the end result would have been to chuck a healthy horse out in a field for the rest of his lfe.
 
Tbh baran I would not ride a lame horse full stop.
I have horses that have problems, when they are sound they get ridden, when un sound they are rested until they are right again.
 
The other way of looking at this is the ad encourages people to pass on unsound horses, and who's to know if its genuine? Maybe said unsound horse will go to new hacking home, be fed some bute and be working its backside off in a riding school a week later via Beeston.

If I were a shifty dealer, I'd have ads like this one out there sourcing horses.

I'm not sure where I stand on it tbh.
 
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