One of those *not so good on paper* days...

[Prince33Sp4rkle]

OMG booboos-nightmare! i think CS would have joined them, all credit to R!!!!

thank you everyone, have been away for a couple of days minus internet so havent been ignoring you

little flea-thanks! have had a quick look at that, will look again later as think its something that could def help.

in some ways it was a good learning day, as i managed to get my back sorted and him taking me forward in the warm up, which is 90% of the battle, just a shame i didnt have more time to re-settle him once in the arena, but such is life i guess.

vale will be nice and calm/normal for him so hopefully we can forget this experience asap

 

[Tempi]

Just out of interest, do you think he will ever be totally settled or is his temprement the type that will get upset if something happens in the warmup (for example) and that will be it?

I only ask as my old comp horse would be the one doing the upsetting (he could be a total liability in the warmup if he wanted to on a bad day) but if another horse was messing around he was never in the slightest bit bothered. I always found it strange that he wasn't bothered by others but would get his own knickers in a twist about nothing!

Hopefully CS will start settling again once hes been out some more

Did you order any of that stuff by the way? x

 

[Saratoga]

You win some you lose some I guess, I'm sure when CS used to launch himself and explode around the warm up a lot of other competitors felt like that unsettled their horses and ruined their test, but there's not a lot you can do about it at the time! That's horses

A tog in the corner at Merrist Wood set Phillip off last week, once the clicking started his head was gone and every time he went down that end of the arena he couldn't put one foot in front of the other. A real shame but not a lot I could do about it at the time, it was just lucky I guess that the test wasn't that important!

 

[Prince33Sp4rkle]

you do indeed win and lose some, but there is a difference between trying to SETTLE your horse if its being a jerk, and actively winding it up by kicking, shouting and belting it, esp if you are already nearly on top of someone else! The horse spooked then jumped forward and she made no effort to stop, just started the above kicking yelling yanking etc.

and if someone said to you "im sorry he's really upset,can you give me some space", would you then go kicking and tapping and passaging up the path behind them? again that is pretty much being at best ignorant, and at worst deliberatly trying to wind up the other horse.......would you actually do that and think it ok? I wouldnt, and never have.

Tempi- i doubt he will ever be 100% reliable. But thats him and I can live with it, I think another few outings down the line it wouldnt have had nearly such an impact on him, but its early in the year for him yet and he's still a bit on edge and once he loses it, its hard to completely settle him again. He'll get there im sure, he's only 7 too, so plenty of time.

havent ordered that stuff yet but think I will when current tub of supp runs out I take it Bloss is still doing really well on it?

 

[Tempi]

He definitely seemed to settle last year didnt he, so am sure it will be the same this year

I agree re people in the warmup aswell, if my horse was being naughty I would take him out so as not to upset people and I certainly wouldnt go riding up peoples backsides or into people (not on purpose anyway!)

Yes Bloss is still doing really well on it, am thrilled. Waiting for my next delivery actually as she runs out today of current supply so hoping new supply will arrive soon!!

 

[Prince33Sp4rkle]

great, pleased for you and her, will get ordering i think.

I dont think they tension/upset could be related to his stomach as he was SO settled in warm up, but peace of mind is worth the £££ to try it and see if/how it helps him.

He did indeed settle last year, i dont think a calmer would help so much this year though, as he was fine in warm up, just lost it in a rather OTT way????hmmmmmmmm.

 

[Tempi]

It sounds like it was just because of the other horse which is a shame, as like you say he was settled in the warmup. Hopefully it will be more peaceful at VV!

 

[Pachamama]

you do indeed win and lose some, but there is a difference between trying to SETTLE your horse if its being a jerk, and actively winding it up by kicking, shouting and belting it, esp if you are already nearly on top of someone else! The horse spooked then jumped forward and she made no effort to stop, just started the above kicking yelling yanking etc.

and if someone said to you "im sorry he's really upset,can you give me some space", would you then go kicking and tapping and passaging up the path behind them? again that is pretty much being at best ignorant, and at worst deliberatly trying to wind up the other horse.......would you actually do that and think it ok? I wouldnt, and never have.

Your hypocrisy dazzles me. Do as I say, don't do as I do, eh?
When it was CS disrupting every one else's warmup and you were told to walk in the corner due to complaints, then everyone else was being unreasonable. The fact that you weren't even competing that day doesn't mean you were being inconsiderate in the least... it wasn't against the rules so that's fine. Didn't you also suggest people should train their horses to ignore distractions? Perhaps you could take your own advice?
I'm sure that you will have a million justifications for why it's completely different for you, but lets cut to the winning part of your argument, shall we; Yes yes, I'm very jealous and a rubbish rider....

 

[nikkimariet]

there is a difference between trying to SETTLE your horse if its being a jerk, and actively winding it up by kicking, shouting and belting it

Your hypocrisy dazzles me. Do as I say, don't do as I do, eh?
When it was CS disrupting every one else's warmup and you were told to walk in the corner due to complaints, then everyone else was being unreasonable. The fact that you weren't even competing that day doesn't mean you were being inconsiderate in the least... it wasn't against the rules so that's fine. Didn't you also suggest people should train their horses to ignore distractions? Perhaps you could take your own advice?
I'm sure that you will have a million justifications for why it's completely different for you, but lets cut to the winning part of your argument, shall we; Yes yes, I'm very jealous and a rubbish rider....

Your ability to manufacture an argument dazzles me.

I don't think (and I know) that PS has ever actively tried to upset another competitor and/or their horse.

Regarding your reference to Somerford (where as above, you have quite rightly pointed out that someone complained), I was watching the whole thing. PS kept CS to one corner out of the way and at no point did anyone else and/or their horse look remotely bothered by his antics (although I would say that....wouldn't I? ). I imagine everyone was more distracted by the stallion calling and trying to hump everything/one before dumping it's rider (who wasn't competing that day) and taking off round the grounds. I know I was, since the stallion almost floored me and several other spectators

I have no idea if you are jealous or not, nor do I have any idea how polished a rider you are or not. But, cutting to the winning part of my argument - you must be very very bored.

 

[Tr0uble]

To be fair...it did take several days before this thread went downhill!

 

[nikkimariet]

To be fair...it did take several days before this thread went downhill!

Oh yes! Won't be long before the regular suspects are campainging on facebook for their counterparts to comment

 

[Tr0uble]

I dunno who they are on FB so always miss that!

 

[Perfect_Pirouette]

I think he looks lovely!

Like you say, early on in the season, shame things turned out the way they did but plenty more opportunities yet! Onwards and upwards! I guess that's the crappy thing about horses, you can only control the one YOU'RE on and sometimes external factors can mess you up. Same with cars I suppose

 

[nikkimariet]

I dunno who they are on FB so always miss that!

Oh no, referring to posters definitely *not* on my facebook!! They're actually already campainging *thumbs up* NM to the rescue indeed....since I am the epitome of tact and defusing an argument

you can only control the one YOU'RE on

Yep! Hence why it could be perceived as very inconsiderate for another rider/competitor to purposely wind their horse up...

 

[ester]

Yep! Hence why it could be perceived as very inconsiderate for another rider/competitor to purposely wind their horse up...

tbf that is only your perception of it, it is quite possible said competitor was just 'correcting' her horse and that it wasn't the sort that needed a nicey approach to settling. I sometimes shout at mine if he spooks, he is old enough to know better

 

[Pachamama]

Your ability to manufacture an argument dazzles me.

I don't think (and I know) that PS has ever actively tried to upset another competitor and/or their horse.

Manufacture? All my information is based on what PS has posted herself.
Excuse my incredulity, but are you suggesting that the other rider was DELIBERATELY trying to upset CS? Why? What for? Was he such a competitive threat??
PS may not have ACTIVELY tried to upset another competitor or horse, but she clearly did not give a s***, which is probably even worse.

Regarding your reference to Somerford (where as above, you have quite rightly pointed out that someone complained), I was watching the whole thing. PS kept CS to one corner out of the way and at no point did anyone else and/or their horse look remotely bothered by his antics (although I would say that....wouldn't I? ). I imagine everyone was more distracted by the stallion calling and trying to hump everything/one before dumping it's rider (who wasn't competing that day) and taking off round the grounds. I know I was, since the stallion almost floored me and several other spectators

I have no idea if you are jealous or not, nor do I have any idea how polished a rider you are or not. But, cutting to the winning part of my argument - you must be very very bored.

Please remember that you are NEVER the only person at a competition. And yes, of course you would say that
Yes, I AM bored as it happens. Because with you two it is ALWAYS someone else's fault. Bor-iiiing. Is that SERIOUSLY what you consider your winning argument? But.. but.. but You haven't found fault with my horse yet of my gear, of my riding, or of my training methods. Perhaps you would like to call me fat?... off you go then.. good luck

 

[4faults]

Seriously people if you have nothing useful to say why can't you just say nothing.

CS is looking great and it was just not your day, I'm sure it will be something he gets used to. As you have said he used to react a lot stronger to more things, he's still learning and your doing a lovely job with him

 

[Prince33Sp4rkle]

in all fairness yes she was giving it a *******ing, and maybe it needed it, but not right on top of me thanks. if CS goes up and spins and i come in to someone elses *space* i wouldnt then do what needs to be done (kick on and sit tight), until they were out the way because 1 its rude and 2 its dangerous.

person in question seemed to have no regard for this.

at somerford i kept him moving, kept passing left to left and kept out the way so not sure how in your mind this is the same.................there was actually a HHO member there who backed up this, and said that i did well to keep about the way-hardly the same as launching on top of someone kicking and shouting.

being reallistic, there is no horse in the world thats going to be *settled* by a kick in the ribs, yank in the gob and mouthful of abuse................if thats what it needs (and sometimes CS needs it, so i know how she felt/feels), then by all means go ahead, but to nearly cannon in to the next person in the ring because you cant wait to get back in the (empty) warm up to give it a pasting, is not on IMO.

ive never seen you on a horse, dont know how you train, what tack you use or what you weight and quite frankly the answer to any of it holds zero interest for me.

carry on......

 

[bananas_22]

You do seem to have some sort of very angry hornet in your bonnet, Pachamama, when it comes to PS and NMT - whether this is appropriate or not on the forum is not for me to decide. However, I would like to just add my opinion that from PS' posts (and the other HHO member present) I can see a quite clear difference between the two situations you refer to. I wasn't there though and so am basing my opinion on the information provided here. You appear to be insinuating that you (or somebody like-minded that you know) were there and I would draw my own conclusions from that.

ETS as I realised I had not commented before on this thread when I thought I had (Senior Moment ) that I can sympathise with the disappointing circumstances and resulting scores PS, having achieved my first 0 this weekend As others have said, it is good that there have been some positives that have come from the day...it is never just about the result

 

[Saratoga]

There are eyes and ears everywhere in the horse world, and no matter what picture is painted on this forum or any others, it is always difficult to know the real situation. As we all know, even being there to see it for yourself can mean a different interpretation to someone standing next to you, as we all read situations differently and have different experiences etc.

 

[imr]

agree with bananas. does not sound like the same situation. even if it was, PS is still entitled to feel disappointed.

 

[mrussell]

Its such a shame when things dont go to plan but the photos show that he is already quite something special. Hats off to you (well, not right off, unless youve already dismounted)

I too have a back condition and I think thats always in your mind when you see something careering towards you ! One spin or duck and it could be all over for you. Nightmare.

As for the other persons behaviour, if thats what they do in public...imagine how they treat their horses at home... =0/

 

[JGC]

[/QUOTE]ETS as I realised I had not commented before on this thread when I thought I had (Senior Moment ) that I can sympathise with the disappointing circumstances and resulting scores PS, having achieved my first 0 this weekend As others have said, it is good that there have been some positives that have come from the day...it is never just about the result [/QUOTE]

I also sympathise. I got a 3 for my simple changes this weekend - that's my first 3!

PS, he looks very nice in the warm up photos. Sounds like you can be pleased with him for having coped with any goings-on much better than he would have done previously.