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PMU.

I mean, W T F. Thousands of unwanted foals, taken from their mothers at birth to be slaughtered, and the poor mares, living in horrendous conditions, just so some wierdo can drink(?) their p*ss?!!! I seriously cannot see any reasoning behind it ;_____;

Am I just being ignorant?
 
I think you're being a bit OTT and noone will take you seriously if you make wild claims like that without backing it up with evidence.

Now, I'm not sure about drinking their piss, but I do know that pregnant mare's urine is used to gain the hormones used to make the drug Premarin. I imagine that they live as our dairy cattle do, continually breeding with their offspring sent to the slaughterhouse. If its ok for cows then why not horses?
 
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Yes I'm afraid you are. Do some research if you really want to find out what the PMU situation is these days.

And to be honest, the title of your thread is also slightly ignorant; it should really read "Only in Canada".
 
well, ill informed or not regarding the initial posted I still can't stomach the idea. I think they live worse that dairy cattle, not able to move at all really, hooked up to contraptions I believe 24/7?
Plus they can now synthesise the drugs.
 
http://www.premarin.org/#

now im sorry but im not an out and out hardcore anti animal cruelty person but iv just had a look at this website, seen the pictures and as a horse lover find it highly disturbing and disgusting.. this should of been banned years ago if the drug can be formed synthetically. Poor mares and foals.
I dont think cattle and horses are comparable.
 
I would think that 99% of the women on HRT all around the world have absolutely no idea how it is obtained. This situation has been going on for years, and is disgraceful. There are synthetic HRTs widely available, but Premarin is the 'best'. Probably also cheaper. There is no excuse for it, no animal should have to suffer like this to benefit a human being.
 
I've read it and its just as disturbing for me.
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Am I just being ignorant?

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Yes I'm afraid you are. Do some research if you really want to find out what the PMU situation is these days.

And to be honest, the title of your thread is also slightly ignorant; it should really read "Only in Canada".

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or actually..not only in Canada..but also in Europe.
 
That site is 4 years old and VERY out of date.
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Approximately three quarters of the farms in Canada closed and have been closed for at least 2 years. This is an old, out-of-date and pointless debate, sorry.
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Well it would only have read "Only in Canada" if we are talking years ago.

It is making a wider presence in Europe now? I'm surprised at that....

.......however it might be a breath of fresh air to see a thread on here NOT entitled "Only in bloody America" for a change.
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Well it would only have read "Only in Canada" if we are talking years ago.

It is making a wider presence in Europe now? I'm surprised at that....

.......however it might be a breath of fresh air to see a thread on here NOT entitled "Only in bloody America" for a change.
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All those warmblood youngsters with good sires by AI..where do you think they all come from? OK not ALL of them..but many are bred in sheds in eastern europe, then brought to oohh..let's say Germany..for breaking and sale.
 
That's a shame. Just when here in North America it has almost been wiped out as a business. People over here have been petitioning and speaking out loud and clear about what HRT is all about and encouraging ladies to question their Doctors on the synthetic alternatives.

So perhaps the title should have been a generic title rather than country-specific.....
 
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I dont think cattle and horses are comparable.

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Why not?. You can drink the milk of both and put both to work in driving or riding.
 
I think the truth is that the equestrian industry (and it is that, not just a cosy hobby) has an underbelly that is not so attractive, just as virtually every industry does. Most of these practices have been about for years, whether is is soring, rapping or producing medical products, amongst others. Every few months another group of people will stumble across information that might be out of date, or biased, or occasionally current and true, and be horrified by it.

It can be upsetting, and most of the worst practices of course no longer take place because pressure groups have stood up, or because with time those practices have been shown to not be the most effective way of acheiving their objective.

Even today, one person's reasonable treatment option (firing, for example) is another's idea of equine torture...education is what is needed, and less emotion to make long term changes in my view
 
just because it is not happening as much does not make it an old and pointless debate.
I don't see the problem with people being upset by this.
 
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You and I are speaking the same language.
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Maybe you have to be older (like us) to appreciate what headway has actually been made over the years!
 
So do something about it, instead of posting years out of date information. Go to your MP, speak to the papers, contact radio stations.....make your views heard with the general public. That's what happened here and that's how it has virtually been stamped out.
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That site is 4 years old and VERY out of date.
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Approximately three quarters of the farms in Canada closed and have been closed for at least 2 years. This is an old, out-of-date and pointless debate, sorry.
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if it still continues to this day regardless of how many farms are set up or have closed down then i dont particular see it as an old, out-of-date and pointless debate. sorry
 
I just dont see how it is a pointless debate? Someone has seen this, been upset and then been told it is no big deal? Sorry but I think everyone has a right to have an opinion on it and I am glad it is going out of fashion.
(and I didn't post ay information, I am just saying I don't agree with it!)
 
The farms that are left are only left because they have contracts. Once those contracts run out they are not being renewed.....therefore no more farms, therefore no point in highlighting what is/was going on in America, as it's been dealt with here.
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Just another opinion rich fact poor person - why does the equestrian world attract them. Learn about something before spouting.......
 
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I dont think cattle and horses are comparable.

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Why not?. You can drink the milk of both and put both to work in driving or riding.

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True. And before some brave person thought to get on a horse's back, they were kept for meat.
 
I was shocked when I first found out about PMU and what it actually is... I don't think there is enough information about it here in the UK as a lot of women on HRT do not have a clue where the drugs come from. I wonder whether as many women would use it if they knew...

I don't see much wrong with this post other than America has been targetted which someone has rightfully pointed out is not the only country that produces it, and is certainly not the only country that uses it. This is a global issue rather than a country based issue.
 
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I read a site and was upset by it. Is there anythis so wrong with that?

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Nothing wrong with that..but my experience is that any post containing WTF will usually be fuelled by emotion and short on fact..as yours was
 
There is a demand for it, therefore it will be done whether you like it or not.
Personally (as with animal testing) I'd rather have it done in this country where there are strict laws regarding animal welfare and it can be regulated and monitored by animal welfare societies than be done in some eastern european country where the laws will not be as strict and getting jobs and money into their country is probably more important than animal welfare.
 
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