Ooooh.......new BD rules online.

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The buffer zone we were aware of but I hadn't heard they were changing the qualifying % for AFs (Prelim to Med).
Not sure I understand the new rule re. horse registration slipping.
It says....
"If a horse’s registration has lapsed for more than one month, any points or qualifications gained up to and including that period will become invalid."
Does that mean that if my horse has just upgraded and I want to 'lose' some points, all I have to do is not renew his registration for at least a month?
Surely it should read that any points won during that period will be invalid?
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Or am I not reading it correctly?

Oh Troi....?
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Ok..you see this rule:

Qualification for the summer/winter regional championships has changed at prelim to medium levels. Prelim competitors will need to win one qualifier and gain either another first or second place. At novice to medium level, riders will need two wins.

how has it changed for novice to medium? do they mean that now its 2 wins in any class rather than 1 in a qualifier and 1 in a non qualifier?
 
I don't get that either, if it is 2 wins at any class what is the point of the qualifier classes, also have the percentages changed? Is it just a win or a win with a certain %?
Didn't know about the AF changes either.
 
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Qualification for the summer/winter regional championships has changed at prelim to medium levels. Prelim competitors will need to win one qualifier and gain either another first or second place. At novice to medium level, riders will need two wins.

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I read it to mean that at Prelim level you only have to WIN one qualifier, you can either win OR COME SECOND IN the other class needed, and that from Novice to Medium you have to win both (i.e. the same as the existing rule) - although I could well be wrong. Presumably you still have to achieve the qualifying percentages?

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Yes, nat1003, I've just had this reply on another forum from someone who knows.
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"The wording on the lapsed registration is a truncated paraphrase. The precise wording in the Rule Book is -

If a horse’s registration has lapsed for more than one month then any points gained during that period, or qualifications gained up to and including that period will become invalid.

Therefore, if you fail to renew your horse's registration which was due on, say 1 December, by 1 January, then any points earned after 1 Dec will be invalid. Moreover, if you had gained qualifiation through to the Winter Regionals before 1 Dec, they would be lost too.

There is, of course, a process for dealing with situations where there is a genuine reason for delay - however, those people who think they can qualify in August, but save money by not bothering to renew until February for the Regionals, will come sadly unstuck.

The precise wording re qualification is -

Horses/ponies must win two classes at the same level, i.e. both Restricted or both Open, both of which must be a qualifier. With the exception of Preliminary which requires one first place and either a first
or second place in qualifiers. Advanced Medium requires one win in a qualifier.

Only qualifiers count towards qualification - a win and a win or second for Prelim, two wins for Nov - Med, and one win for Ad Med. This is instead of raising the percentages needed yet again. Non qualifiers will still count for Area Festivals.

I hope that this will also give a route for those who want to continue to take their horses out for experience after qualification and, whenever possible, they enter the non-qualifier instead of the qualifier."

So, yes, it looks like Novice to Medium, you will have to win two qualifiers.
 
Yes, I thought that was quite odd too. I would have thought they'd have been much stricter.
After all, if you enter a test and fail to withdraw or phone the venue to withdraw and fail to confirm it in writing within 7 days you could be liable to a £50 fine.
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Although in practice I've never heard of this happening.
 
Bananaman, somehow I doubt that your hope will be realised for those qualified to just competing in non qualifiers. This new rule seems to be a way of BD achieving what has been mooted quite a few times before. ie patting the grass roots competitors on the head and giving them the Area Festivals and reducing the number of competitors at the Regionals. It ignores the fact that it is the everyday folk who contribute the money for the higher echelons and cannot afford the time and money to chase around the country trying to qualify.
I suppose some organisers might put on 2 qualifiers rather than one qualifier and one non qualifier. It will be interesting to see how it all works out.
 
flatcoat2, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

The quote from the other forum was not mine.

As far as I'm aware venues are limited as to the number of qualifiers they can hold so it probably is not an option to put on more qualifiers.

I, as do many others, live in an area where we have to travel miles to competitions. Now we have to compete more often trying to qualify, as I see it.
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We try to keep our points down , as we don't want to upgrade yet and we like to do riding club as well, so think it will be just qualifiers for us in case we want to have a go at regionals, the scores will count for area festival anyway ,if we want to go down that path , which we did this year.
That means maybe only one test at each show or one as training as well.Has the qualifying percentage gone? I know one judge who always gives us 64.5% as a winning score ,even though most judges give us around 70%.
 
Ok very confused with this qualification lark
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..... can anyone help please?

I won 2 classes at Nov Restricted one a qualifier and one a non-qualifier both with 65% and over. Have I qualified or not??? anyone know?

I dont think I have from what I can understand
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so thats a right bugger if right!

Thanks all
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Under old rules you have qualified and you should have had a letter by now to confirm this, unless you have only just done the show.New rules ,I presume ,will be for next summers qualifiers which start Dec 1st.
Petplan qualification % has gone up to 62% ,I believe.
Remember if you do the winter regional you can't do area festival at that level next year
 
I guess they are trying to keep numbers down for the regionals and therefore are making it harder to qualify.
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I really do hope people who have qualified compete in the non-qualifier but I doubt this will happen. Most people compete in 2 classes and so they will ahve to enter what there is, im guessing venues will still run a qualifier and a non qualifier.
 
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Under old rules you have qualified and you should have had a letter by now to confirm this, unless you have only just done the show.New rules ,I presume ,will be for next summers qualifiers which start Dec 1st.
Petplan qualification % has gone up to 62% ,I believe.
Remember if you do the winter regional you can't do area festival at that level next year

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Thanks
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I qualified on the 27th but the results arn't on the website yet... I seriously hope I didnt mix up something
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Oh well please send "sending vibes" to the postman
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Don't panic, you're fine!

As carthorse says, these rules only come into effect for the new qualifying period.

You will get your letter but they are quite slow to send these out and often seem to do them in batches. I qualified for one of the winter classes back in July and haven't had the letter that many weeks!
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I wonder how it will affect the shows. If you are aiming for the Regionals, I can't see the point in doing the non qualifying class unless you want a warm up or practice. Then I would only consider doing it as a training class as I don't want the points.
 
I agree Bananaman, i will only do the non qualifiers as training tests as i dont want to clock up points for no reason. If i choose to do area festivals i can use the scores from the qualifiers if i havent qualified for the regionals.
I think a lot of events are going to find their non qualifiers are full of HC or training tests.
 
It has occured to me that it would be in the interests of most centres to run non-qualifiers as unaffiliated classes, that way they wouldnt have to pay the levy and the affiliated riders could still warm up.

I do agree with a previous poster though that this is more to do with having separate champs for restricted and open riders. A real shame in my view.
 
interesting - so you dont have to win a qualfier now, it can be 2 non qualifiers?

I think the increase in percentage for the AFs is a good idea too, i always thought it was a bit low....
 
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so you dont have to win a qualfier now, it can be 2 non qualifiers?

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No, it looks like it must be two qualifiers (as opposed to just at least one qualifier). I think this is going to throw up some problems!
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oh right - i havent read this post through yet (serves me right for posting and not reading replies first!!)

So what on earths the point of having non qualifier classes then? or do we think they will fizzle them out.......I suppose if a venue runs 2 qualifiers instead of a non and a qualifier it might work - otherwise surely all the qualifier classes are going to be really full and the non qualifiers empty?
 
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So what on earths the point of having non qualifier classes then? or do we think they will fizzle them out.......I suppose if a venue runs 2 qualifiers instead of a non and a qualifier it might work - otherwise surely all the qualifier classes are going to be really full and the non qualifiers empty?

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Exactly - I suppose we'll see for sure when we get our new rule books (goody!). I see the non-qualifiers being full of training/HC because other than for the want of a placing they're gping to be pointless - it seems to me (I'm fairly new to BD) that most people are keen to keep their points down especially as the "chasing" of qualifications is going to be more of an issue.

If centres start running two qualifiers (would this work with the limits on number of qualifiers?) then surely it would make sense for BD to remove the qualifier/non-qualifier and just have standard classes. Otherwise I agree with mickey66 that it would be more advantageous for centres to run non-qualifiers as unaffiliated classes in order to avoid levies...
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