showjump2003
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he was happy to pick it up and hold it he just picked it up a little fast.
Opinion on this horse part 2! asap...
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ladyt25
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I am not sure what is wrong with his fetlocks - can't see anything glaringly obvious (have def seen some worse conformation examples out there!) I think his feet as others have said, need attention. I can't see the video as can't look at work but I would guess his feet being like that won't help his movement.
He could be slightly tied in at the knee but that could just be an optical illusion due to the feather below. All in all I think he looks nice.
We bought a 4yo who the vet declared as being weak and undeveloped in his forelimbs. His feet turned out and he suggested this could cause uneven pressure on his splint bones. We did steady work and built him up and he has changed so much with decent farriery and after being given the chance to grow and develop properly. He is 9 now and does everything and anything - eventing, BSJA etc.
If you like him and the vet doesn't see a problem then I'd give the thumbs up! As other have said tough - would be a good idea to have the vendors get a farrier to his feet first to make the vetting a fair test.
He could be slightly tied in at the knee but that could just be an optical illusion due to the feather below. All in all I think he looks nice.
We bought a 4yo who the vet declared as being weak and undeveloped in his forelimbs. His feet turned out and he suggested this could cause uneven pressure on his splint bones. We did steady work and built him up and he has changed so much with decent farriery and after being given the chance to grow and develop properly. He is 9 now and does everything and anything - eventing, BSJA etc.
If you like him and the vet doesn't see a problem then I'd give the thumbs up! As other have said tough - would be a good idea to have the vendors get a farrier to his feet first to make the vetting a fair test.
Nailed
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snapping his feet upp, thats age and lack of having it done..
Id say, request the farrier comes out before the vetting. and see how it goes.
Lou x
Id say, request the farrier comes out before the vetting. and see how it goes.
Lou x
showjump2003
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He got him 6 months ago ish as a just broken 3 year old in a bit of a poor condition so he has turned him away and just bought in to work now at the age of 4.
Bossanova
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He's advetised at £2650... and i honestly dont think he will take less.
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That is far, far too much and I would absolutely not pay anywhere near that for this horse. There are plenty of nice youngsters out there for less who have better limbs than he does.
But it's your money and you're responsible for taking the risk if you think he'll come good
He's advetised at £2650... and i honestly dont think he will take less.
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That is far, far too much and I would absolutely not pay anywhere near that for this horse. There are plenty of nice youngsters out there for less who have better limbs than he does.
But it's your money and you're responsible for taking the risk if you think he'll come good
martlin
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Hmm,
I don't think he is that badly priced TBH... as to the plenty nice, well put together young horses without problems cheaper then £2.5K - I can't really see that many
I don't think he is that badly priced TBH... as to the plenty nice, well put together young horses without problems cheaper then £2.5K - I can't really see that many
kick_On
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If there keen and honest to seller, ask then to get a farrier in and sort feet out, cos next person comes along will say same thing. GG needs a farrier, once this has been done and gait then will hopefully improve then if still really like i would get vetted.
If they are iffy in anyway about getting farrier out WALK away...... as anyone who know horses can see feet are in bad state
If they are iffy in anyway about getting farrier out WALK away...... as anyone who know horses can see feet are in bad state
Ezme
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What I think is weird is he looks in remarkeby good nick to have let his feet get like that.... doesn't really add up. He looks lovely, very handsome. I defo agree with ask for his feet to be done, then have him vetted. If it comes up in the vetting (even if it doesn't really) get them to knock the price down.
shadowboy
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I like him, and I think he has presence. I woulde definately get him vetted. I wouldnt pay more than £2500- which is probably what they want if they put the price to £2650
But he looks a nice sort. The vet will give you an opinion on those legs and the most important thing is if you like him.
But he looks a nice sort. The vet will give you an opinion on those legs and the most important thing is if you like him.
Milly-Molly-Maisie
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There is a lot to like about him, agree to buy subject to vetting and have a good chat with the vet, then agree to pay what you are comfortable to pay for him
Kenzo
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He's advetised at £2650... and i honestly dont think he will take less.
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That is far, far too much and I would absolutely not pay anywhere near that for this horse. There are plenty of nice youngsters out there for less who have better limbs than he does.
But it's your money and you're responsible for taking the risk if you think he'll come good
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Totally agree, sorry but if bringing a horse back into work, the least you would do is have his feet seen to correctly, specially if the horse is coming up for sale, its not like there asking auction price where you expect to see the odd pair of dicky hooves, not so bad if there young and still growing but it really depends if the horse developed like that over time or if it was more a confirmation thing as a foal.
Smart chap though and if you like him go for it and get him checked out, but personally I'd walk away.
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He's advetised at £2650... and i honestly dont think he will take less.
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That is far, far too much and I would absolutely not pay anywhere near that for this horse. There are plenty of nice youngsters out there for less who have better limbs than he does.
But it's your money and you're responsible for taking the risk if you think he'll come good
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Totally agree, sorry but if bringing a horse back into work, the least you would do is have his feet seen to correctly, specially if the horse is coming up for sale, its not like there asking auction price where you expect to see the odd pair of dicky hooves, not so bad if there young and still growing but it really depends if the horse developed like that over time or if it was more a confirmation thing as a foal.
Smart chap though and if you like him go for it and get him checked out, but personally I'd walk away.
aran
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I agree that his feet arent good and his pasterns are the weakest bit in the photos. If you want him vetted - I'd be suprised if a vet would vet him without his feet being seen to first. So I'd ask them to get the farrier out (might be nice to be there and see what the farrier thinks and how the horse reacts) and then arrange a vetting for a few days later? If you like him and the vet says that he's OK for what you want then he is worth the money - I'd offer below and see what you get?
blackcob
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A puzzling picture - he's clearly been handled and such as he's clean, sleek and happy to be ridden, so why no attention to the feet? Bit odd, something doesn't quite add up there. He'll be a handsome chap when his feet are sorted, he's got a kind face and I highly approve of the colour, lol! Is he a Welsh Cob cross of some kind? There's something about the face, neck and forelegs that just screams it, although the back end doesn't seem to match yet.
Bowen4Horses
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cor... he is a handsome chap!
but... so handsome and well turned it, i'd also wonder about why his feet were like that, esp as they wanted to sell him.
i once bought a horse that wasn't good to shoe... thinking 'how hard can it be to get them used to the farrier'... bad bad mistake. i couldn't keep her. she literally had to be knocked out to deal with her feet. and i mean proper unconscious. yet, when i tried her out, she let me lift her feet up for a short time (but was snappy)
so... if you do want him, insist on seeing him with a farrier. i did try this approach, but 'unfortunately' the farrier 'turned up a day earlier than planned'.... hmmm....
but... so handsome and well turned it, i'd also wonder about why his feet were like that, esp as they wanted to sell him.
i once bought a horse that wasn't good to shoe... thinking 'how hard can it be to get them used to the farrier'... bad bad mistake. i couldn't keep her. she literally had to be knocked out to deal with her feet. and i mean proper unconscious. yet, when i tried her out, she let me lift her feet up for a short time (but was snappy)
so... if you do want him, insist on seeing him with a farrier. i did try this approach, but 'unfortunately' the farrier 'turned up a day earlier than planned'.... hmmm....
Flame_
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Go on buy it. Make him get its feet done before the vetting and it will probably be alright and that's the best you can hope for from most horses really. It'd be 4 - 5k without the conformation fault IMO.
ForeverBroke_
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I agree with Flame_.
I think he's got a lot of potential to be what you want him to be and it really does look like his feet are what's causing him the issues rather than anything else.
I'd get him shod (Try to be there) and follow this by a vetting (also be there.) Just really explain what you want to use him for and see what the vet says.
He's got a lot of potential to me!
I think he's got a lot of potential to be what you want him to be and it really does look like his feet are what's causing him the issues rather than anything else.
I'd get him shod (Try to be there) and follow this by a vetting (also be there.) Just really explain what you want to use him for and see what the vet says.
He's got a lot of potential to me!
FrecklesMum
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http://www.uaex.edu/Other_Areas/publications/PDF/FSA-3029.pdf
I have attached a really usefull link which has diagrams and everything, page 3 deals with pasterns.
Basically his are long and sloping, which means that the fetlock is set behind the foot at rather an extreme angle. A pastern which is too long and sloping (coon footed) causes weakness because it puts undue strain on the tendons, sesamoid bones and suspensory ligament.
Long, sloping pasterns are more than 3/4 the length of the cannon bone. They are sometimes bred for in a riding horse because they increase the shock-absorption ability of the leg, making the horse's gaits smoother and more comfortable for the rider. However, they have the distinct disadvantage of being weaker than more upright pasterns. This is because many of the tendons and ligaments that go down the back of the leg continue under the back of the fetlock joint, and attach to either the pastern bones or the coffin bone. When the horse puts weight on his leg, the fetlock sinks closer to the ground, which is a needed response as it helps to absorb the shock of the footfall. However, when the pasterns are too long or sloping it does not support the fetlock enough, and the fetlock may hyper-extend, possibly to the point where the ergot touches the ground. This stresses the soft tissues that run under the fetlock because they are stretched longer. If stretched too much, they may tear or rupture.
I have attached a really usefull link which has diagrams and everything, page 3 deals with pasterns.
Basically his are long and sloping, which means that the fetlock is set behind the foot at rather an extreme angle. A pastern which is too long and sloping (coon footed) causes weakness because it puts undue strain on the tendons, sesamoid bones and suspensory ligament.
Long, sloping pasterns are more than 3/4 the length of the cannon bone. They are sometimes bred for in a riding horse because they increase the shock-absorption ability of the leg, making the horse's gaits smoother and more comfortable for the rider. However, they have the distinct disadvantage of being weaker than more upright pasterns. This is because many of the tendons and ligaments that go down the back of the leg continue under the back of the fetlock joint, and attach to either the pastern bones or the coffin bone. When the horse puts weight on his leg, the fetlock sinks closer to the ground, which is a needed response as it helps to absorb the shock of the footfall. However, when the pasterns are too long or sloping it does not support the fetlock enough, and the fetlock may hyper-extend, possibly to the point where the ergot touches the ground. This stresses the soft tissues that run under the fetlock because they are stretched longer. If stretched too much, they may tear or rupture.
The Bouncing Bog Trotter
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If your vets are anything like my vets they won't do a full vetting with feet like that. Mine insist that the horse has recently been shod/trimmed as not having done so can hide all sorts of problems. Talk to your vet and see what they say.
Puppy
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QR - sorry, I wouldn't buy a horse with legs like that
gnubee
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IMO, if youre trying to sell a horse with feet that look like that then either you are terribly inexperienced and probably not the kind of person one wants to acquire a youngster from, or you have left them deliberately bad so you can blame them for a much less solveable problem.
I think the horse looks lovely, but based on those feet would sadly be walking away without bothering with a vetting even if the horse was much cheaper than that one.
I think the horse looks lovely, but based on those feet would sadly be walking away without bothering with a vetting even if the horse was much cheaper than that one.
TequilaMist
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Do make sure they get feet done before vetting as we had a horse vetted that should have had feet done(tbh theywere just a bit long).Vet said lucky it didn't show up anything or whole vetting would have been pointless due to feet not getting done,he even advised the seller to do this next time they sold a horse.Means seller loses sale and you've wasted ££££'s.
ldlp111
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it looks like to me that his feet may be causing the pastern angle, heels look collapsed i would say with shoeing he would improve alot, but as others have said he looks very well cared for apart from the feet which is making alarm bells flash in my head. if you want good advice on feet etc pm TheFarrier with some pics hes happy to help, other than the feet he does look gorgeous