opinion on this horse?

What is wrong with people on here??? So many of you are full of your own self-importance and arrogant! If someone asks for opinions on a horse that they have seen, there is no need to be downright rude about it - what if the horse's owner was on here? They would be gutted to hear such comments based upon what is, essentially, an advert that shows you very little about the horse, it's conformation or anything else. Does no one know how to be kind any more? Whenever I come on here all is see is bitchiness and people arguing when someone disagrees with what they say - incredible when all people are looking for are some genuine words of advice!!

My opinion for what it's worth is this:
I do NOT think the horse looks common in the head at all, it looks to have a sweet face, in the limited view you can get from the stills of him jumping.
It is unfair for anyone to assess his confirmation and be so harsh, based upon on one still of him trotting around (show judges or not), as you cannot tell from that what he looks like truly stood up, and he is not working into a nice contact - most horses would look thick through the gullet and goose rumped if you do that to them - it hardly shows them off at their best. To comment on it's shoulder you must have super-zoom specs on because I can't see a bloody thing!
I do not think he has done too much - rushed in to fences? Possibly, but to ask a youngster to jump a small course of jumps, take it out to see cross-country fences and out with hounds is hardly crime of the century, I am all for youngsters seeing as much as they can. Just think of what the young horses are doing in the 4 and 5 year old BSJA, BE and BD classes - these things that this boy has done are small fry comparatively.

OP, if you are interested, I would ask the seller for more detailed photos of him stood up, without tack, from both sides. Also a photo of his head, and a video of him working on the flat. I also would expect a big drop in price for him - in today's market, a young horse, who has not been produced correctly, and needs taking back to basics is worth half what they want for it. You could find something better schooled for this money. But, he seems a nice enough sort to me, and worth finding out more about. Good luck! :)
 
Questiontime said:
What is wrong with people on here??? So many of you are full of your own self-importance and arrogant! If someone asks for opinions on a horse that they have seen, there is no need to be downright rude about it - what if the horse's owner was on here? They would be gutted to hear such comments based upon what is, essentially, an advert that shows you very little about the horse, it's conformation or anything else. Does no one know how to be kind any more? Whenever I come on here all is see is bitchiness and people arguing when someone disagrees with what they say - incredible when all people are looking for are some genuine words of advice!!

My opinion for what it's worth is this:
I do NOT think the horse looks common in the head at all, it looks to have a sweet face, in the limited view you can get from the stills of him jumping.
It is unfair for anyone to assess his confirmation and be so harsh, based upon on one still of him trotting around (show judges or not), as you cannot tell from that what he looks like truly stood up, and he is not working into a nice contact - most horses would look thick through the gullet and goose rumped if you do that to them - it hardly shows them off at their best. To comment on it's shoulder you must have super-zoom specs on because I can't see a bloody thing!
I do not think he has done too much - rushed in to fences? Possibly, but to ask a youngster to jump a small course of jumps, take it out to see cross-country fences and out with hounds is hardly crime of the century, I am all for youngsters seeing as much as they can. Just think of what the young horses are doing in the 4 and 5 year old BSJA, BE and BD classes - these things that this boy has done are small fry comparatively.

OP, if you are interested, I would ask the seller for more detailed photos of him stood up, without tack, from both sides. Also a photo of his head, and a video of him working on the flat. I also would expect a big drop in price for him - in today's market, a young horse, who has not been produced correctly, and needs taking back to basics is worth half what they want for it. You could find something better schooled for this money. But, he seems a nice enough sort to me, and worth finding out more about. Good luck! :)
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I don't disagree with a lot of what you have said. However, I would be put off viewing a horse of that age which had done that much. That's not nasty, that's just personal opinion and choice. I've seen 4/5 yr olds cantered and ragged along roads whilst hunting etc, and I'm afraid that's not even something I would allow my 13 yr old hunter type mare to do (maybe I am just precious over her, who knows) so I certainly do get put off seeing youngsters doing that much work that early. I don't really care what young horses are doing in BSJA, BE and BD classes at that age - that doesn't make it any more right or excusable.
 
Moomin1 said:
That's not nasty, that's just personal opinion and choice.
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I am sorry, no offence intended, I did not mean that all commenters are being nasty, it was just a few I spotted both here and across the whole forum. To say that you would discount him because he has done more than you would like is a fair enough comment. It is the ones about his being ugly that just seem uncalled for.
 
Questiontime said:
I am sorry, no offence intended, I did not mean that all commenters are being nasty, it was just a few I spotted both here and across the whole forum. To say that you would discount him because he has done more than you would like is a fair enough comment. It is the ones about his being ugly that just seem uncalled for.
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No problem. :-)

I actually don't think he's ugly or 'common' headed at all really. He looks a nice type but just unschooled still (fine for his age). But as I say, I would be put off by the amount he has done.
 
Moomin1 said:
I don't disagree with a lot of what you have said. However, I would be put off viewing a horse of that age which had done that much. That's not nasty, that's just personal opinion and choice. I've seen 4/5 yr olds cantered and ragged along roads whilst hunting etc, and I'm afraid that's not even something I would allow my 13 yr old hunter type mare to do (maybe I am just precious over her, who knows) so I certainly do get put off seeing youngsters doing that much work that early. I don't really care what young horses are doing in BSJA, BE and BD classes at that age - that doesn't make it any more right or excusable.
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What do you mean by done so much ? I'm genuinely interested :)

Looking at the ad, yes it has been incorrectly produced schooling & jumping wise (not being nasty just truthful) which isn't great on youngsters but from what the ad says it has done very little other than schooling places, unless you mean the hunting?

I have a 5 year old mare who I have produced very carefully, my instructor thinks too carefully tbh & she has done 3 80's & 2 90's this year. Should have been 3 90's but I had breaking issues in my last 1 so retired as I didn't want to cause an accident. She is hacked maybe 4 times a week with school work inbetween & 1 day off, jumped maybe once every 2 weeks ish. I suppose it depends if you are producing a horse for a purpose. Mine is to event & even then I have kept putting things back etc as I didn't feel she was mature enough & didn't want to push her, what she has done she has proved she is ready to do & is schooling round bigger but I would no way say I have pushed her in any sense. She is now having a month off in the field.

I do think the horse in question looks young for its age but its only done 80cm courses which should not be an ask for a horse
 
Moomin1 said:
No problem. :-)

I actually don't think he's ugly or 'common' headed at all really. He looks a nice type but just unschooled still (fine for his age). But as I say, I would be put off by the amount he has done.
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Done too much, and yet unschooled? Funny way of going about things..............
 
The horse world seems to have developed into a complicated place... I miss the days of just adverts in the paper with no photos so you just turned up to the ones you liked the sound of, with no pre-made reservations made from looking at photos - just go open minded and take the horse as you see it.

Sometime I think photos can be misleading, they can hide bad points if taken well and can also make a good horse look bad/damaged if taken at the wrong time angle.

If you like him, go see him with an experienced person (prehaps your instructor?), get them to ride him, then you ride him. Make sure you get him vetted.

I do think he looks nice, but like I was saying - you can't tell much from photos. Let us know how you get on :)
 
kassieg said:
What do you mean by done so much ? I'm genuinely interested :)

Looking at the ad, yes it has been incorrectly produced schooling & jumping wise (not being nasty just truthful) which isn't great on youngsters but from what the ad says it has done very little other than schooling places, unless you mean the hunting?

I have a 5 year old mare who I have produced very carefully, my instructor thinks too carefully tbh & she has done 3 80's & 2 90's this year. Should have been 3 90's but I had breaking issues in my last 1 so retired as I didn't want to cause an accident. She is hacked maybe 4 times a week with school work inbetween & 1 day off, jumped maybe once every 2 weeks ish. I suppose it depends if you are producing a horse for a purpose. Mine is to event & even then I have kept putting things back etc as I didn't feel she was mature enough & didn't want to push her, what she has done she has proved she is ready to do & is schooling round bigger but I would no way say I have pushed her in any sense. She is now having a month off in the field.

I do think the horse in question looks young for its age but its only done 80cm courses which should not be an ask for a horse
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I don't think he has done too much either! think about the young event horses! He is happy going forward and enjoying his job! x
 
hihosilver said:
I don't think he has done too much either! think about the young event horses! He is happy going forward and enjoying his job! x
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Absolutely NOT! I am in a yard that specifically produces on eventers and has a lot of babies. Not one goes like that, even the ones that have just started to jump, and there are a fair number of ISH there. This horse has been badly started. He will take a very very long time to make right again and for that money, you could buy a better started youngster or do it yourself. Yes, he jumps, so do the vast majority of horses. If the owner reads this, then ...good!! She has done this horse no favours at all. And this horse does not look happy in his job, he is too rushed. The young eventers will have a broad education but it's still little and often.
 
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There are obviously better produced young horses in professional yards but to me the rider is using positive praise and the horse looks happy with ears pricked and looking for the next jump. I am sure with a bit of schooling he will be grand in the spring! I would buy him!
 
hihosilver said:
There are obviously better produced young horses in professional yards but to me the rider is using positive praise and the horse looks happy with ears pricked and looking for the next jump. I am sure with a bit of schooling he will be grand in the spring! I would buy him!
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I agree. Plus they're not asking for 'top eventer' price so I don't think it's fair to compare him to a professionaly trained eventer youngster - they're £10k plus for a reason.
 
Cheshire Chestnut said:
I agree. Plus they're not asking for 'top eventer' price so I don't think it's fair to compare him to a professionaly trained eventer youngster - they're £10k plus for a reason.
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yes exactly he is a not a lot of money and wont get to Badminton but he would make a lovely RC horse for someone and looks to be a honest boy x
 
Cheshire Chestnut said:
I agree. Plus they're not asking for 'top eventer' price so I don't think it's fair to compare him to a professionaly trained eventer youngster - they're £10k plus for a reason.
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Hmm...must go and tell my YO she is under selling her youngsters at £5-6k then. Whether a horse is going to spend its life only ever being a happy hacker, riding club or top competition horse is irrelevant. The basics are always the same. I have seen people trying to unpick a poorly produced horse and it's a long haul. Known many horses produced by amateurs and their horses don't go like this.
 
OP, I like him, and if I had £3K to spend, and the advert is genuine that he is 100% traffic and good to hack in all ways, has seen hounds etc etc etc then I think he will be a lot of fun.

I appreciate that in Ireland you may be able to get him for half the price (comments from 2 people based in Ireland) but I would not personally want to travel to Ireland to see him and then import.

I agree that his trot is not the best, he will not be the next Valegro, but he will improve. I guess people are making judgements here on what you want. You may not be the next Pippa Funnel yourself, or want to be, and this horse seems happy with the rider he has, is calm and genuine, pops a fence even from an unbalanced canter, does not buck and run off at the other side......

I have paid in excess of the bandied £10K for a professionally produced horse of the same age, and most riders would not have wanted him as he needed a professional to ride him. £ does not always relate to fun. Sometimes a professional production on a high £ horse means needs professional handling.

If YOU like what you see, if you think the horse will do what YOU want to do then go and have a look. After all quite often when you do go to look the horse is a disappointment, but this horse seems to have a lot to offer as a general fun horse.
 
Luci07 said:
Hmm...must go and tell my YO she is under selling her youngsters at £5-6k then. Whether a horse is going to spend its life only ever being a happy hacker, riding club or top competition horse is irrelevant. The basics are always the same. I have seen people trying to unpick a poorly produced horse and it's a long haul. Known many horses produced by amateurs and their horses don't go like this.
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I think you're being awkward and argumentative on purpose. I was merely pointing out that this horse is not a massive amount of money and looks nice. No he's not going to make a top eventer but he's not advertised as one and his price reflects this. I don't think you can tell from a short video and a few photos that he's a 'poorly produced' horse at all - a few bad habits maybe but some of which may be from the ride and not the horse itself.

I would certainly not write off a horse just from an advert without seeing it first if it was what I was looking for.
 
kassieg said:
What do you mean by done so much ? I'm genuinely interested :)

Looking at the ad, yes it has been incorrectly produced schooling & jumping wise (not being nasty just truthful) which isn't great on youngsters but from what the ad says it has done very little other than schooling places, unless you mean the hunting?

I have a 5 year old mare who I have produced very carefully, my instructor thinks too carefully tbh & she has done 3 80's & 2 90's this year. Should have been 3 90's but I had breaking issues in my last 1 so retired as I didn't want to cause an accident. She is hacked maybe 4 times a week with school work inbetween & 1 day off, jumped maybe once every 2 weeks ish. I suppose it depends if you are producing a horse for a purpose. Mine is to event & even then I have kept putting things back etc as I didn't feel she was mature enough & didn't want to push her, what she has done she has proved she is ready to do & is schooling round bigger but I would no way say I have pushed her in any sense. She is now having a month off in the field.

I do think the horse in question looks young for its age but its only done 80cm courses which should not be an ask for a horse
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I simply mean that it has done more than I would want from a horse that age, by going hunting etc. I personally don't agree with hammering young horses over rough terrain etc at speed and the fact that it looks unschooled an unbalanced makes that even worse IMO. But that's just my opinion, and many people do do that with their youngsters, so it's each to their own.
 
Cortez said:
Done too much, and yet unschooled? Funny way of going about things..............
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? I'm a bit confused here Cortez. Yes, I think it's done too much, and yes, it looks unschooled. The two don't have to go hand in hand - a horse can be unschooled, yet hammered in other respects.
 
Moomin1 said:
? I'm a bit confused here Cortez. Yes, I think it's done too much, and yes, it looks unschooled. The two don't have to go hand in hand - a horse can be unschooled, yet hammered in other respects.
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Many many horses are hammered on their forehand with riders who would not know the feel of a balanced horse if it trod on their foot.
 
If you google the phone number, they have several other horses for sale( i didn't go into it any further so they could be old adverts) but I would want to know if they are a dealer and if so do they have any decent references.
 
If it isn't the best looking animal, with excellent conformation, then the best favour the producer can do it, is start it slowly and well, not what has happened in this instance imo
 
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