jesterfaerie
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Not a problem, I have my fingers crossed that you find a gorgeous new pony to play with soon.
Opinions on another horse!! Again.. Sorry!
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Justfreda
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Im not disputing you are trying your best. You must have a friend on the bsja circuit
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clearly not all are as talented as spotting a quality horse as others!
Im not disputing you are trying your best. You must have a friend on the bsja circuit
[/ QUOTE ] have you seen some of the horses on the BSJA circuit
Vizslak
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Im not disputing you are trying your best. You must have a friend on the bsja circuit
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clearly not all are as talented as spotting a quality horse as others!
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lol yes i happen to agree entirely but i was just thinking of contacts she may have to help her!
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Im not disputing you are trying your best. You must have a friend on the bsja circuit
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lol yes i happen to agree entirely but i was just thinking of contacts she may have to help her!
showjump2003
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I don't really sj.
Flame_
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LOL, this is part of the problem. The experts enlisted (vets included) are often as much use as a chocolate fire guard. OP, you might as well travel around trying your saddle on different horses and buying whichever it fits!
We'll keep trying to help you, but you could do with someone to go with you who's good at spotting potential problems.
Vizslak
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O right sorry, I have just realised that wasnt even your criteria, must be your username confuddling me! A dressage trainer then? Or local dressage judge? Contact the local RC?
showjump2003
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What a good idea Flame, I do like my saddle! Would be handy to find one it fits.
How many times can I say I don't have anyone to take lol?! I have just recently moved to a new area and have no horsey contacts as my horse as been broken for the 6 months I've lived here!
And althoug I may sound like an idiot I am not just off the lead rein or out of the riding school
feel like I'm being made to sound like a complete idiot lol.
How many times can I say I don't have anyone to take lol?! I have just recently moved to a new area and have no horsey contacts as my horse as been broken for the 6 months I've lived here!
And althoug I may sound like an idiot I am not just off the lead rein or out of the riding school
Vizslak
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I'm not trying to make you sound like an idiot nor do i believe you are an idiot! I'm just trying to help! Seriously then, local trainers and instructors are usually happy to help for a small fee or you could join the local RC and enlist some help from there AND you will get to meet some new horsey contacts in the area which will also be great when you are going out and about with new horsey. Or am I sounding like an idiot?! Are you lucky enough to have horsey housing at home or will you be moving to a livery yard? (i remember you saying about moving the broken one home) If you are moving to a yard we have certainly had new people on our yard book an empty box because they also required help of the YO to find the right ned to put in it, so this could be an option too?
ETS or start employing a dressage trainer to help then they can teach you when they have helped you find the right one?
ETS or start employing a dressage trainer to help then they can teach you when they have helped you find the right one?
JanetGeorge
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And althoug I may sound like an idiot I am not just off the lead rein or out of the riding school
feel like I'm being made to sound like a complete idiot lol.
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You're not the idiot on this thread showjump2003! That is a VERY nice little mare - I bred her and she was backed and ridden away here! No - her conformation isn't perfect - but she's as sound as a pound! She was one of the easiest horses to back I've had in 40 odd years; and when she left here as a rising 4 year old was already pretty much bomb proof in traffic.
Her new owner brought her on well and she did some local showing with success, and qualified for Area and Regionals in her first 2 outings!! She is graded SID with the Irish Draught Horse Society (GB) - that was her first full vetting. She had another full vetting when I sold her, and another when her 1st buyer sold her after 14 months - mainly for financial reasons (sold high and bought a cheap replacement!) BOTH vettings - by experienced equine vets - she sailed through easily with some very complimentary remarks by both vets!!
The lady who bought her was NOT used to youngsters at all and - from all accounts - should have bought a stodgy cob!! The mare was a little unsettled by her move and although she didn't play up at ALL under saddle, she allegedly put her ears back at her - and stamped her foot when tied up!!! So she panicked and decided she couldn't cope!
Her 'main' owner had taken her to a number of clinics with various dressage coaches and had VERY good feedback on the mare's potential as a dressage horse - although she would also event at least to Novice level. Her dam is Bazaar's Brook by Enniskeane Prince (RID) ex a TB mare called Wardbrook (dam of Bazaar's Texas) and I still own her. She evented with limited success (jockey more to blame than mare) and then successfully hunted the High Peak for several years as huntsman's horse - jumping huge stone walls with ease. Brooklet (as we called her) is actually 3/4 ID although she looks more like a first cross. But she has an ID brain and a lovely attitude to work!
You could do a HELL of a lot worse!! The advertised price is what seller paid for her and I personally think she was NOT too expensive (but I'm also sure that a lower offer would be successful as she is on selling livery and that's expensive!!) I might add that I have retained her younger full sister as a brood mare due to a paddock accident which left her with a nasty scar - she is VERY similar to Brooklet and has her wonderful temperament! Another full brother (aged 2) has shown successfully in-hand and is adored by his owners for his easy temperament! I still have a super yearling full brother.
PM me is you want any more background - but I would say trust your own judgement and - if you like her - go for it! I don't think you'll regret it!!
And althoug I may sound like an idiot I am not just off the lead rein or out of the riding school
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You're not the idiot on this thread showjump2003! That is a VERY nice little mare - I bred her and she was backed and ridden away here! No - her conformation isn't perfect - but she's as sound as a pound! She was one of the easiest horses to back I've had in 40 odd years; and when she left here as a rising 4 year old was already pretty much bomb proof in traffic.
Her new owner brought her on well and she did some local showing with success, and qualified for Area and Regionals in her first 2 outings!! She is graded SID with the Irish Draught Horse Society (GB) - that was her first full vetting. She had another full vetting when I sold her, and another when her 1st buyer sold her after 14 months - mainly for financial reasons (sold high and bought a cheap replacement!) BOTH vettings - by experienced equine vets - she sailed through easily with some very complimentary remarks by both vets!!
The lady who bought her was NOT used to youngsters at all and - from all accounts - should have bought a stodgy cob!! The mare was a little unsettled by her move and although she didn't play up at ALL under saddle, she allegedly put her ears back at her - and stamped her foot when tied up!!! So she panicked and decided she couldn't cope!
Her 'main' owner had taken her to a number of clinics with various dressage coaches and had VERY good feedback on the mare's potential as a dressage horse - although she would also event at least to Novice level. Her dam is Bazaar's Brook by Enniskeane Prince (RID) ex a TB mare called Wardbrook (dam of Bazaar's Texas) and I still own her. She evented with limited success (jockey more to blame than mare) and then successfully hunted the High Peak for several years as huntsman's horse - jumping huge stone walls with ease. Brooklet (as we called her) is actually 3/4 ID although she looks more like a first cross. But she has an ID brain and a lovely attitude to work!
You could do a HELL of a lot worse!! The advertised price is what seller paid for her and I personally think she was NOT too expensive (but I'm also sure that a lower offer would be successful as she is on selling livery and that's expensive!!) I might add that I have retained her younger full sister as a brood mare due to a paddock accident which left her with a nasty scar - she is VERY similar to Brooklet and has her wonderful temperament! Another full brother (aged 2) has shown successfully in-hand and is adored by his owners for his easy temperament! I still have a super yearling full brother.
PM me is you want any more background - but I would say trust your own judgement and - if you like her - go for it! I don't think you'll regret it!!
JanetGeorge
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And althoug I may sound like an idiot I am not just off the lead rein or out of the riding school
feel like I'm being made to sound like a complete idiot lol.
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You're not the idiot on this thread showjump2003! That is a VERY nice little mare - I bred her and she was backed and ridden away here! No - her conformation isn't perfect - but she's as sound as a pound! She was one of the easiest horses to back I've had in 40 odd years; and when she left here as a rising 4 year old was already pretty much bomb proof in traffic.
Her new owner brought her on well and she did some local showing with success, and qualified for Area and Regionals in her first 2 outings!! She is graded SID with the Irish Draught Horse Society (GB) - that was her first full vetting. She had another full vetting when I sold her, and another when her 1st buyer sold her after 14 months - mainly for financial reasons (sold high and bought a cheap replacement!) BOTH vettings - by experienced equine vets - she sailed through easily with some very complimentary remarks by both vets!!
The lady who bought her was NOT used to youngsters at all and - from all accounts - should have bought a stodgy cob!! The mare was a little unsettled by her move and although she didn't play up at ALL under saddle, she allegedly put her ears back at her - and stamped her foot when tied up!!! So she panicked and decided she couldn't cope!
Her 'main' owner had taken her to a number of clinics with various dressage coaches and had VERY good feedback on the mare's potential as a dressage horse - although she would also event at least to Novice level. Her dam is Bazaar's Brook by Enniskeane Prince (RID) ex a TB mare called Wardbrook (dam of Bazaar's Texas) and I still own her. She evented with limited success (jockey more to blame than mare) and then successfully hunted the High Peak for several years as huntsman's horse - jumping huge stone walls with ease. Brooklet (as we called her) is actually 3/4 ID although she looks more like a first cross. But she has an ID brain and a lovely attitude to work!
You could do a HELL of a lot worse!! The advertised price is what seller paid for her and I personally think she was NOT too expensive (but I'm also sure that a lower offer would be successful as she is on selling livery and that's expensive!!) I might add that I have retained her younger full sister as a brood mare due to a paddock accident which left her with a nasty scar - she is VERY similar to Brooklet and has her wonderful temperament! Another full brother (aged 2) has shown successfully in-hand and is adored by his owners for his easy temperament! I still have a super yearling full brother.
PM me is you want any more background - but I would say trust your own judgement and - if you like her - go for it! I don't think you'll regret it!!
ETA - just looked at the video and she is NOT lame. She is not going forward properly - probably because of the martingale which she has NEVER needed - goodness knows why they bothered but it may be their policy with new horses coming in that they don't know.
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And althoug I may sound like an idiot I am not just off the lead rein or out of the riding school
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You're not the idiot on this thread showjump2003! That is a VERY nice little mare - I bred her and she was backed and ridden away here! No - her conformation isn't perfect - but she's as sound as a pound! She was one of the easiest horses to back I've had in 40 odd years; and when she left here as a rising 4 year old was already pretty much bomb proof in traffic.
Her new owner brought her on well and she did some local showing with success, and qualified for Area and Regionals in her first 2 outings!! She is graded SID with the Irish Draught Horse Society (GB) - that was her first full vetting. She had another full vetting when I sold her, and another when her 1st buyer sold her after 14 months - mainly for financial reasons (sold high and bought a cheap replacement!) BOTH vettings - by experienced equine vets - she sailed through easily with some very complimentary remarks by both vets!!
The lady who bought her was NOT used to youngsters at all and - from all accounts - should have bought a stodgy cob!! The mare was a little unsettled by her move and although she didn't play up at ALL under saddle, she allegedly put her ears back at her - and stamped her foot when tied up!!! So she panicked and decided she couldn't cope!
Her 'main' owner had taken her to a number of clinics with various dressage coaches and had VERY good feedback on the mare's potential as a dressage horse - although she would also event at least to Novice level. Her dam is Bazaar's Brook by Enniskeane Prince (RID) ex a TB mare called Wardbrook (dam of Bazaar's Texas) and I still own her. She evented with limited success (jockey more to blame than mare) and then successfully hunted the High Peak for several years as huntsman's horse - jumping huge stone walls with ease. Brooklet (as we called her) is actually 3/4 ID although she looks more like a first cross. But she has an ID brain and a lovely attitude to work!
You could do a HELL of a lot worse!! The advertised price is what seller paid for her and I personally think she was NOT too expensive (but I'm also sure that a lower offer would be successful as she is on selling livery and that's expensive!!) I might add that I have retained her younger full sister as a brood mare due to a paddock accident which left her with a nasty scar - she is VERY similar to Brooklet and has her wonderful temperament! Another full brother (aged 2) has shown successfully in-hand and is adored by his owners for his easy temperament! I still have a super yearling full brother.
PM me is you want any more background - but I would say trust your own judgement and - if you like her - go for it! I don't think you'll regret it!!
ETA - just looked at the video and she is NOT lame. She is not going forward properly - probably because of the martingale which she has NEVER needed - goodness knows why they bothered but it may be their policy with new horses coming in that they don't know.
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AmyMay
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You're not the idiot on this thread showjump2003
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So the people that are advising taking a knowledgeable companion to see a horse are?
I always take someone with me to look at horses..........
You're not the idiot on this thread showjump2003
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So the people that are advising taking a knowledgeable companion to see a horse are?
I always take someone with me to look at horses..........
JanetGeorge
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So the people that are advising taking a knowledgeable companion to see a horse are?
I always take someone with me to look at horses..........
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No - that's not what I meant! It's always a good idea to take a TRULY knowledgeable person with you. But not someone who can see lameness on 30 seconds of video - where there is NONE! And conformation defects that don't exist! And tear apart a very nice horse who in one year of competition as a 4 year old has already achieved more than MANY horses EVER do!!
So the people that are advising taking a knowledgeable companion to see a horse are?
I always take someone with me to look at horses..........
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No - that's not what I meant! It's always a good idea to take a TRULY knowledgeable person with you. But not someone who can see lameness on 30 seconds of video - where there is NONE! And conformation defects that don't exist! And tear apart a very nice horse who in one year of competition as a 4 year old has already achieved more than MANY horses EVER do!!
AmyMay
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The thing is Janet. People can only comment on what they see. You know this horse to be a nice little horse because you know it intimately.
The horse does take some unlevel strides in the video - but that could be down to lack of shoes. However, as the OP has been at pains to state time and again - there are certain things they are not very knowledgeable about. And in the absence of a knowledgeable 'friend' then their relying on comments from here. It's no where near ideal - and there is no substitute for seeing an animal in the flesh.
So - from what people have seen on here - a picture of a horse that seems to be lame and seems to have a few confo faults (don't they all???) people have commented.
That does not make them stupid.
The horse does take some unlevel strides in the video - but that could be down to lack of shoes. However, as the OP has been at pains to state time and again - there are certain things they are not very knowledgeable about. And in the absence of a knowledgeable 'friend' then their relying on comments from here. It's no where near ideal - and there is no substitute for seeing an animal in the flesh.
So - from what people have seen on here - a picture of a horse that seems to be lame and seems to have a few confo faults (don't they all???) people have commented.
That does not make them stupid.
JanetGeorge
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So - from what people have seen on here - a picture of a horse that seems to be lame and seems to have a few confo faults (don't they all???) people have commented.
That does not make them stupid.
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1. It doesn't seem to be lame at all - IF you discounted ANY horse on the strength of a few seconds of video you'd discount some VERY good sound horses. No vet would state that mare is lame on the strength of that video!! And the conformation faults she DOES have haven't been mentioned here - and none would affect her soundness in ANY way! And that's not just MY opinion. She has been passed sound for any purpose - including eventing - by THREE experienced horse vets in the past 18 months! They DO mention defects that may influence soundness!!
So - from what people have seen on here - a picture of a horse that seems to be lame and seems to have a few confo faults (don't they all???) people have commented.
That does not make them stupid.
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1. It doesn't seem to be lame at all - IF you discounted ANY horse on the strength of a few seconds of video you'd discount some VERY good sound horses. No vet would state that mare is lame on the strength of that video!! And the conformation faults she DOES have haven't been mentioned here - and none would affect her soundness in ANY way! And that's not just MY opinion. She has been passed sound for any purpose - including eventing - by THREE experienced horse vets in the past 18 months! They DO mention defects that may influence soundness!!
Vizslak
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Well thats exactly the problem then Janet- and why we are saying that showjump needs to take someone experienced to help her view these horses and weigh up the pro's and cons in the flesh. We are only commenting on a few pictures and a very short video and giving our opinions in an effort to help. (I dont believe we are ALL wrong in our critique though)
So we cant see the horse, showjump can and can see what its like on the ground and assess it under saddle but cant see conformational issues- therefore she needs to take someone with her that can help with that.
So we cant see the horse, showjump can and can see what its like on the ground and assess it under saddle but cant see conformational issues- therefore she needs to take someone with her that can help with that.
Flame_
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JanetGeorge you've really not done yourself any favors here. If you can't see that horse doesn't look right and you would be happy to sell it as it is, you must be happy to sell others at the same level of soundness. I can't see people queuing up to buy from you right now!
AmyMay
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Sorry Janet - you are understandably defensive of the horse you bred.
She is clearly lame on her offside fore. However, as I said it may be nothing more than lack of shoes.
This is getting very silly. But everything you say coupled with points made by other posts underline the reasons why an inexperienced person should always take a knowledgeable advocate with them to view a horse.
From that video I would not view the horse - because it is lame. However, from the photos' I may if I were so inclined. However, she does not appeal to my eye. And without wishing to offend you or your breeding programme - this is not a great example of a well put together animal.
She may have been passed by three very experienced equine vets. But none of that means much when you are presenting a lame horse for purchase with a splint and a capped hock.
She is clearly lame on her offside fore. However, as I said it may be nothing more than lack of shoes.
This is getting very silly. But everything you say coupled with points made by other posts underline the reasons why an inexperienced person should always take a knowledgeable advocate with them to view a horse.
From that video I would not view the horse - because it is lame. However, from the photos' I may if I were so inclined. However, she does not appeal to my eye. And without wishing to offend you or your breeding programme - this is not a great example of a well put together animal.
She may have been passed by three very experienced equine vets. But none of that means much when you are presenting a lame horse for purchase with a splint and a capped hock.
nokia
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Hiya...me and my friends will be your mates, we live on the Wiral so not far from you, have you tried Ran he is in oswestrey http://www.arbelsporthorses.com
He has some lovley horses, also Mike Jones from twomills, or jonathan parott he has just moved by north Wales..all not to far away.
He has some lovley horses, also Mike Jones from twomills, or jonathan parott he has just moved by north Wales..all not to far away.
burtie
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Ok so I've watched the video a few times and would not say the horse was lame at all, there is maybe a stride or 2 a bit short if I really look closely but then the horse is working on grass so no idea what the ground is like. She is a bit weak all over (but then she is only 5)and definately a bit weak behind which meant she may stuggle with collection and more advanced movements, but if the price was rigth and she passed a 5 stage vetting I think she looks a nice type.
JanetGeorge
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JanetGeorge you've really not done yourself any favors here. If you can't see that horse doesn't look right and you would be happy to sell it as it is, you must be happy to sell others at the same level of soundness. I can't see people queuing up to buy from you right now!
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I can see that she is not going forward properly - probably because of the martingale. I don't see anything on that video to suggest I would be unhappy to present her for a full vetting although I would want to see more - and trot her up unridden on a straight line to be sure! I ALWAYS ask buyers to get horses vetted - even weanlings and yearlings. No - her conformation isn't perfect - and I pointed out her shortcomings to the buyer who bought her from me. And she had the small splint then - she got it galloping around in a very hard paddock in her yearling summer.
Several VERY experienced dressage rider/trainers told that owner she had the ability to go at LEAST Advanced Medium dressage - and 3 vets passed her fit for eventing - which they WOULDN'T do if she had any conformation defects that would affect her soundness.
I don't like to see a potential buyer put off a nice horse - and a horse made unsaleable - by a bunch of armchair experts. If those of you who have slated the horse so much are right, then three experienced vets, several high level dressage trainers AND a show ring judge are all blind idiots! I know where my money would be!
I might add that I have NEVER presented a youngster for vetting that hasn't passed with the exception of a filly who presented with a 'suspicious' heart murmur and had to be scanned to prove there was no problem (and that was one I was keeping anyway - her heart scan proved perfect!) I have postponed a vetting when a horse wasn't 100% the day before due to a bruised sole - it passed a week later!
JanetGeorge you've really not done yourself any favors here. If you can't see that horse doesn't look right and you would be happy to sell it as it is, you must be happy to sell others at the same level of soundness. I can't see people queuing up to buy from you right now!
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I can see that she is not going forward properly - probably because of the martingale. I don't see anything on that video to suggest I would be unhappy to present her for a full vetting although I would want to see more - and trot her up unridden on a straight line to be sure! I ALWAYS ask buyers to get horses vetted - even weanlings and yearlings. No - her conformation isn't perfect - and I pointed out her shortcomings to the buyer who bought her from me. And she had the small splint then - she got it galloping around in a very hard paddock in her yearling summer.
Several VERY experienced dressage rider/trainers told that owner she had the ability to go at LEAST Advanced Medium dressage - and 3 vets passed her fit for eventing - which they WOULDN'T do if she had any conformation defects that would affect her soundness.
I don't like to see a potential buyer put off a nice horse - and a horse made unsaleable - by a bunch of armchair experts. If those of you who have slated the horse so much are right, then three experienced vets, several high level dressage trainers AND a show ring judge are all blind idiots! I know where my money would be!
I might add that I have NEVER presented a youngster for vetting that hasn't passed with the exception of a filly who presented with a 'suspicious' heart murmur and had to be scanned to prove there was no problem (and that was one I was keeping anyway - her heart scan proved perfect!) I have postponed a vetting when a horse wasn't 100% the day before due to a bruised sole - it passed a week later!
Ranyhyn
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JG I think this subject is a little too close to your heart to be given an unbiased answer by you.
If we're all such idiots, the horse will not be renderred 'unsaleable' - surely the first knowledgeable person, by your measure, will snap her up!! Problem solved.
If we're all such idiots, the horse will not be renderred 'unsaleable' - surely the first knowledgeable person, by your measure, will snap her up!! Problem solved.
AmyMay
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I don't like to see a potential buyer put off a nice horse - and a horse made unsaleable - by a bunch of armchair experts.
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Fair point. However, you might want to bear that in mind next time you post pictures in breeding about any of your youngstock in future - just in case any of us armchair experts tell you how nice it is.
We could be horribly wrong............
I don't like to see a potential buyer put off a nice horse - and a horse made unsaleable - by a bunch of armchair experts.
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Fair point. However, you might want to bear that in mind next time you post pictures in breeding about any of your youngstock in future - just in case any of us armchair experts tell you how nice it is.
We could be horribly wrong............
ihatework
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The mare to me looks like a nice type and was certainly worth you paying a visit to look.
The splint, and to a certain extent the hock are most likely just cosmetic bemishes and if everything else was right and vet had no concerns then neither would I.
That said the hind limb confo really is pretty poor and I wouldn't purchase this horse for higher level dressage on that basis, I am surprised that JG disputes this, I was under the impression she was an experienced breeder/horsewoman and with that has to come some degree of impartiality and able to assess a horse without getting too emotionally involved.
Regarding the trot video - based on that yes I would say the mare appears slightly unlevel. Just because the mare has passed previous vettings doen't mean she will be sound forever more. However video can be deceptive so I would be very interested to what the mare did under examination. The ground could have influenced things and yes she could be fractionally more forward but I don't think the martingale can be used as an excuse!!! It might be something as simple as a minor bit of bruising resulting in the odd unlevel step.
So depending on how much you like the horse I would suggest you email the photos and video to your vet, if he is unconcerned then do a 5 stage and see what happens. But I would suggest you avoid this horse if you are wanting to dressage beyond Novice/Elementary.
The splint, and to a certain extent the hock are most likely just cosmetic bemishes and if everything else was right and vet had no concerns then neither would I.
That said the hind limb confo really is pretty poor and I wouldn't purchase this horse for higher level dressage on that basis, I am surprised that JG disputes this, I was under the impression she was an experienced breeder/horsewoman and with that has to come some degree of impartiality and able to assess a horse without getting too emotionally involved.
Regarding the trot video - based on that yes I would say the mare appears slightly unlevel. Just because the mare has passed previous vettings doen't mean she will be sound forever more. However video can be deceptive so I would be very interested to what the mare did under examination. The ground could have influenced things and yes she could be fractionally more forward but I don't think the martingale can be used as an excuse!!! It might be something as simple as a minor bit of bruising resulting in the odd unlevel step.
So depending on how much you like the horse I would suggest you email the photos and video to your vet, if he is unconcerned then do a 5 stage and see what happens. But I would suggest you avoid this horse if you are wanting to dressage beyond Novice/Elementary.
welshied
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She looks a nice type but don't know how anyone can say shes lame without watching her work on hard ground as you don't know what the level of the ground is like and without it being on a hard surface. I would say if you really like her then get her vetted by your own vet and go from there!
lannerch
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I have read this post from front to back and fear it just may be a symptom of the flock phenomenun, if the 1st post had been postive then I expect may would have followed suit.
Now I must confess I have come across this horse before, and she is a gem, a very honest trainable youngster, yes her hind confirmation is not perfect, however I am yet to see the perfect horse.
I have also looked at the video, and I hope people are not confusing what looks to me as inconsistant contact as head bobbing, she does look quite weak, and very green, but as janet says she she has done very well at dressage already,
so I suspect it may well be the way she is ridden.
Now I must confess I have come across this horse before, and she is a gem, a very honest trainable youngster, yes her hind confirmation is not perfect, however I am yet to see the perfect horse.
I have also looked at the video, and I hope people are not confusing what looks to me as inconsistant contact as head bobbing, she does look quite weak, and very green, but as janet says she she has done very well at dressage already,
so I suspect it may well be the way she is ridden.
Zeus
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I have read this post from front to back and fear it just may be a symptom of the flock phenomenun, if the 1st post had been postive then I expect may would have followed suit.
Now I must confess I have come across this horse before, and she is a gem, a very honest trainable youngster, yes her hind confirmation is not perfect, however I am yet to see the perfect horse.
I have also looked at the video, and I hope people are not confusing what looks to me as inconsistant contact as head bobbing, she does look quite weak, and very green, but as janet says she she has done very well at dressage already,
so I suspect it may well be the way she is ridden.
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Totally agree with this! You wouldn't go wrong buying this mare at all in fact you would have so much fun with her!
I have read this post from front to back and fear it just may be a symptom of the flock phenomenun, if the 1st post had been postive then I expect may would have followed suit.
Now I must confess I have come across this horse before, and she is a gem, a very honest trainable youngster, yes her hind confirmation is not perfect, however I am yet to see the perfect horse.
I have also looked at the video, and I hope people are not confusing what looks to me as inconsistant contact as head bobbing, she does look quite weak, and very green, but as janet says she she has done very well at dressage already,
so I suspect it may well be the way she is ridden.
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Totally agree with this! You wouldn't go wrong buying this mare at all in fact you would have so much fun with her!