opinions on this hoof

[ILuvCowparsely]

sorry wrote a post and horse and hound froze.

I will write more late but need to go out. Onions on this hoof please

to me too long as toe off the ground

 

[ycbm]

From that photo there is tons wrong, but it could be just the angle and we really need a photo from ground level side on and one from front on. If your camera isn't risking getting dirty, you're not low enough down.
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[ILuvCowparsely]

From that photo there is tons wrong, but it could be just the angle and we really need a photo from ground level side on and one from front on. If your camera isn't risking getting dirty, you're not low enough down.
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I take some more later Ycbm, I have had total knee replacement and cannot squat as knee hurts to go down to far.

 

[DressageCob]

sorry wrote a post and horse and hound froze.

I will write more late but need to go out. Onions on this hoof please

to me too long as toe off the ground

It does look too long but agree the angle of the photo isn't great.

I'm not sure what putting onions on the hoof is going to achieve

 

[smolmaus]

I'm not sure what putting onions on the hoof is going to achieve

Sleeping with onions in your socks cures the common cold, I am very unreliably informed.

I am mostly posting so I can see response notifications, I love hoof threads. Does it look a bit bull-nosed? Is that the term? Like they have tried to shorten the toe by rasping the front away.

 

[sbloom]

Sleeping with onions in your socks cures the common cold, I am very unreliably informed.

I am mostly posting so I can see response notifications, I love hoof threads. Does it look a bit bull-nosed? Is that the term? Like they have tried to shorten the toe by rasping the front away.

The pale marks up the hoof wall certainly indicate it's been compromised by rasping, the hoof wall should always be left in tact is my understanding but you see this vain attempt to shorten the tow everywhere.

 

[SpeedyPony]

If you can get a photo of the hoof with more of the leg included that will give a better impression of how it relates to the leg- too long/short is difficult to judge without comparison to the pastern. The hoof angle should match that of the pastern, a horse with sloping pasterns will have a more sloping hoof than one with upright pasterns- the trimming needs to take into consideration the leg the hoof is attached to.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

It does look too long but agree the angle of the photo isn't great.

I'm not sure what putting onions on the hoof is going to achieve

lmao, omg what the, I was typing and the thread went, god knows what happened with it. It was supposed to read OPINIONS not onions

 

[ycbm]

I think there are nail holes? Did you take the shoes off for any particular reason?

 

[Horseysheepy]

Sorry Off topic!

There's something about rubbing an onion on a wart and then burying it (the onion) in the garden, gets rid of the wart.

 

[dominobrown]

photo of the underside would be helpful too

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

I think there are nail holes? Did you take the shoes off for any particular reason?

I RVC told us to put straight bars on, due to DDFT injury caused by the pads shoes and dental implant material, which damaged the DDFT, so we changed her bare foot and after rehab she improved. She then went out for two hour grazing ( built up slowly) and fencing repair people had a noisy trailer which caused her to go bronking and twisting and she tore the check ligament

Then RVC recommended we put straight bar shoes on, this was done but aluminium ones, that first night she was uncomfortable, but we left her 3 weeks and she seemed to improve a bit but not as much as barefoot. So we took the straight bars off, I don't think she copes with shoes now.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

No to me she looks underrun, and toes too long and her heels are too far away from the bearing surface.
When she moves back she rocks back onto heels so toes lifted. Don't understand it as he does the other horses fine

first two are the shoes that damaged her ddft due to her navicular, these were last August, the 3rd pic is the recent ones we took off aboutamonth ago

 

[ycbm]

Badly underrun, heels far to far forward and contracted. She looks to have a genuine bull nose which would mean a negative coffin bone angle, are there any x rays showing that?

She looks like a horse who needs a lot of time spent in a steady walk on a flat surface like tarmac to try to build up those heels and get them back under her legs.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Badly underrun, heels far to far forward and contracted. She looks to have a genuine bull nose which would mean a negative coffin bone angle, are there any x rays showing that?

She looks like a horse who needs a lot of time spent in a steady walk on a flat surface like tarmac to try to build up those heels and get them back under her legs.

Just what I thought, until the next scan we have to be careful with the torn check ligament, then that is my plan, I think hand grazing and limited turnout was wrong way, we should have done what we did with my ID mare check ligament, 2 weeks box then 5 minutes walkin in hand twice a day building up 1 minute a day , (then each wed move up to the next 5 minutes block)

each week till 45 minutes in hand twice a day, then mounted exercise.

I haven got recent xray vets have them, I only have the first scan about a year ago

 

[Gloi]

If you took a straight edge down the top of the hoof wall to the floor you would see just how much it has been rasped back. It looks a fair bit though there may be bullnosing too.
From what can be seen of the frog under the shavings it looks very atrophied alongside the contracted heels. It should really be well checked for thrush in any crevices though the central sulcus is closed up. The farrier has probably rolled that toe up to help the break over on such a compromised hoof.

 

[PurBee]

Id get xrays so a good trimmer can work with them. There’s a definite bullnose, i’d be shocked if the angle of bone inside wasn’t negative. The new growth is looking to be following the old, extreme angles. The coronet looks very dry flaky and flat but a thick band.

There’s way too much toe past the tip of frog, her heels align with past centre of frog instead of back of frog. Only x rays can really help a trimmer see what going on inside, so they can get the new growth going in the right direction.
It’s a boxy looking foot from the above angle too, like its got too much height. If so, the hoof may be holding onto a false sole and that could be contributing also to governing the splat-growth pattern. X-ray will show better answers to these types of questions a trimmer will wonder about that hoof.

Just as nutritional support to give the hoof all nutrients it needs to grow healthy, i’d give a foot mineral balancer while the hoof if struggling. Forageplue and prog. Earth are popular brands.

 

[bouncing_ball]

Id get xrays so a good trimmer can work with them. There’s a definite bullnose, i’d be shocked if the angle of bone inside wasn’t negative. The new growth is looking to be following the old, extreme angles. The coronet looks very dry flaky and flat but a thick band.

There’s way too much toe past the tip of frog, her heels align with past centre of frog instead of back of frog. Only x rays can really help a trimmer see what going on inside, so they can get the new growth going in the right direction.
It’s a boxy looking foot from the above angle too, like its got too much height. If so, the hoof may be holding onto a false sole and that could be contributing also to governing the splat-growth pattern. X-ray will show better answers to these types of questions a trimmer will wonder about that hoof.

Just as nutritional support to give the hoof all nutrients it needs to grow healthy, i’d give a foot mineral balancer while the hoof if struggling. Forageplue and prog. Earth are popular brands.

Or you could take her back to RVC, ask them to x-ray feet, and get one of their farriers to trim / shoe her feet according to the x-rays?

 

[sbloom]

In very general terms frog support and DIM is more highly regarded by progressive farriers than a bar shoe. Will be very interested to see how you get on, you could possibly get a consult from The Equine Documentalist or Progressive Equine Services in Oz, definitely get xrays if you don't have recent ones.

 

[SpeedyPony]

They do look too long- the side photo looks like there's a curve in the hoof wall- presumably the way it has been trimmed to reduce the length of the toe? But definitely not just the usual bevelling off that they might do and as others have said the heel is very low, in general it seems like that leg should have a more upright hoof- It would be interesting to see pics from before the injury/issues which would give a clear idea of what has changed, but then who among us takes pics of these things before they go wrong?

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Thank you all so much for your feed back.
It made my suspicions on her feet confirmed, Vets found some other remedial people to do her but they are too busy or don't do this area.


We found a barefoot person who gave her opinion like you all did. The voice message the lady K said was the horses feet are "PANTS", which was my thought. She is coming next week to do our first trim and start process. I will update as we go.

Again thankyou all those who said their opinion it really helped me bite the bullet and start the ball moving it really helped me..

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

First trim and mare is more comfortable with her bad leg

 

[PurBee]

Glad she’s feeling more comfy. The heel landing placement looks better.
The sole looks to have some cracking in places, so may well shed off in pieces. It might be a ’false’ sole. Time will tell how the sole changes. The semi-circular indent sole ring is showing where P3 is sucking upwards. Whereas in lami that shape can be proud showing where P3 is pressing down on sole. When P3 alignment is negative angled due to very long toe and low heel, there’s an indent half-moon shape. That should change as the trimmer keeps the toe trimmed.

My mare had similar long toe low heel, and her hoof shaped changed with being really vigilant with the toe growth, keeping the heels back but not too low.

Yours has a stretched frog which will ping back when the toe growth alters pattern and gets shorter. At the moment that long frog tip is needed to support P3, but then it’ll be worn off, when the whole hoof growth shape changes. My mare at that point had developed a ‘ball tip’ frog - a piece still stuck there but wasnt connected fully to the main frog. When i trimmed that off at that point she was relieved. If i had the rough gravel tracks back then it likely would have worn off quicker by itself. It was fascinating to watch the hoof shape change over the months of trimming to long toe, low heel principles.
You’ll have some great ‘before’ and ‘after’ transformation pics!

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Glad she’s feeling more comfy. The heel landing placement looks better.
The sole looks to have some cracking in places, so may well shed off in pieces. It might be a ’false’ sole. Time will tell how the sole changes. The semi-circular indent sole ring is showing where P3 is sucking upwards. Whereas in lami that shape can be proud showing where P3 is pressing down on sole. When P3 alignment is negative angled due to very long toe and low heel, there’s an indent half-moon shape. That should change as the trimmer keeps the toe trimmed.

My mare had similar long toe low heel, and her hoof shaped changed with being really vigilant with the toe growth, keeping the heels back but not too low.

Yours has a stretched frog which will ping back when the toe growth alters pattern and gets shorter. At the moment that long frog tip is needed to support P3, but then it’ll be worn off, when the whole hoof growth shape changes. My mare at that point had developed a ‘ball tip’ frog - a piece still stuck there but wasnt connected fully to the main frog. When i trimmed that off at that point she was relieved. If i had the rough gravel tracks back then it likely would have worn off quicker by itself. It was fascinating to watch the hoof shape change over the months of trimming to long toe, low heel principles.
You’ll have some great ‘before’ and ‘after’ transformation pics!

TY so much for the above

You were so right. That is what the trimmer said she has a lo of fake sole, not the back just the fronts and the worst is the near fore this one.

She wants to come every 3 weeks so we can do little and often. I am thinking cutting bute back down again to 1 am 1/2 pm, as we were till wednesday. She walked better round stable AND she was doing some head rolls, and i thought OH OH we will be bouncing .


I will take pictures every time

 

[PurBee]

TY so much for the above

You were so right. That is what the trimmer said she has a lo of fake sole, not the back just the fronts and the worst is the near fore this one.

She wants to come every 3 weeks so we can do little and often. I am thinking cutting bute back down again to 1 am 1/2 pm, as we were till wednesday. She walked better round stable AND she was doing some head rolls, and i thought OH OH we will be bouncing .


I will take pictures every time

Little and often is ideal really when they’re needing so much correction/attention. The second pic youve added shows the coronet band angle much improved even eith this first trim.

Made me chuckle to read she’s doing head rolls! it’s so lovely to see them visibly show relief after a corrective trim.

 

[ycbm]

That is what the trimmer said she has a lo of fake sole

You can see a ring of it about half an inch wide around the outer edge of the toe. That will probably peel off like a bandaid when it's ready.

 

[Highmileagecob]

So glad you have found a trimmer who can work with you. The heel has grown much too high, in an effort to provide support for the back of the hoof. This in turn pulls the frog back and throws weight onto the toe. Unfortunately, if this isn't corrected quickly, the tendons start to contract and become prone to injury. Bit like wearing stilettos for months and then donning trainers for a jog around the park. Have a chat with your trimmer about using boots and gel pads to put some gentle pressure on the frog to promote circulation and growth. Be prepared for a long haul, you may need two or three complete hoof growths before you see the heel bulbs start to develop and the frog move back into in's right place. Hopefully, if everything goes to plan, you won't have any more injuries to deal with and your next set of pictures will show a marked improvement.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

So glad you have found a trimmer who can work with you. The heel has grown much too high, in an effort to provide support for the back of the hoof. This in turn pulls the frog back and throws weight onto the toe. Unfortunately, if this isn't corrected quickly, the tendons start to contract and become prone to injury. Bit like wearing stilettos for months and then donning trainers for a jog around the park. Have a chat with your trimmer about using boots and gel pads to put some gentle pressure on the frog to promote circulation and growth. Be prepared for a long haul, you may need two or three complete hoof growths before you see the heel bulbs start to develop and the frog move back into in's right place. Hopefully, if everything goes to plan, you won't have any more injuries to deal with and your next set of pictures will show a marked improvement.

We have had that chat already she wants her to walk in soft rides, which actually the RVC gave her some( or presume they did) as they sent her home in them.

We are in it for the long haul, this poor horse has been through so much and put up with so much pain, My late mare took a year with her feet but sadly the lami went bad with the infection of the pedal bone, but I took pictures of the abcess gradually working down her hooves. So this will take a year - 18 months to improve drastically.


She is worth it though - worth the depleted bank account and bandaging - extra haylage - ice boots - nursing etc. I wont give up on her now

ty for all your help ladies and gents (hard to know with some user names)

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Sorry about the shavings, she was being fidgety when I took picture. Our most recent trim, having an xray end of the month to see how much more K can trim as she hasn't got any xray to work with. Slow progress as feet are always a long hall remodeling. We have had 3 trims now so I will put all 3 up so you can see the difference.

Just realised never took under ones after second trim, must keep doing this. Anyway before 1st trim, after 1st trim now after 3rd trim. I will take some later without shavings on and a up to date side view. So July picture is first, second after july trim and lastly Sept trim I forgot or cannot find August trim.

 

[Highmileagecob]

Slow but steady improvement right across the board. And look how those heels are widening. Yaaay!