thanks guys, it actually was 1/2 the price made for us as an ideal or L&R saddle! Its a berney bros saddle from ireland& i am over the moon with it. They just seen pics of her & a template i took and took what i said i needed&liked and here it is. The leather is amazing and for a wool flocked panel is very close contact & super soft on the underneath. Now i just need her shod after 5wks no work!!