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Honest opinions of this horse please...

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(astute among you will notice the tail carriage and my previous thread ;) )
 
I am NO expert but watching the vid particularly in trot I was a bit worried about the back end and whether he was totally sound. Probably just me not knowing what I am looking at and he did look better in canter to me.
 
i like but am not convinced he is sound behind, it seems more noticible when he goes on the left rein in trot away from the camera
 
The tail on its own would not bother me but a couple of times he does hop behind in trot, it may be anticipation of the canter or could be that he finds it hard to step through, he is held together all the time some video of him on a longer rein may give more idea, he is close behind which can be a sign of tightness in the pelvic area which would go with the tail carriage or could just be poor conformation.

At the right price and if he passes a vetting he could be a super schoolmaster type.
 
Looks like a nice little pony but not sure if he is tracking up correctly in trott. I would personally ask for a bit more work from behind. But saying that i'm watching a video of him moving so not the same as watching from the ground. OOh btw where is the riders hat?? Nobody is too good that they can't fall off. :eek:
 
Not sure if I can describe properly what I mean, but something about his action, in front in particular, didn't appeal to me. It's like his front legs move from the elbow down and the shoulder is very stiff, resulting in what looks to me like a very short stride. His walk doesn't seem to swing and cover the ground. I also wonder about the underlying reason for the tail held to the side.

Having said all that - he looks a nice model and is very rhythmic.
 
Hind end is weak looking to me and not quite right, tail aside. (No pun intended!) there is also a rather loud click coming from his left hind isn't there.
 
Since there is no specific questions, here are my thoughts:
- Welsh D
- he is ridden a bit too deep for my liking
- action of front legs in trot seems uneven, may be as simple as deep central sulcus thrush but would want to know why/see him trotted on hard/vetted if was buying
 
im not expert and don't know if I was put off by the rider, who looks really stiff! but he does look like he's got a really short stride and I did wonder if he was lame a couple of times, agreed with some of the others that something in his backend doesn't look right!
 
I really like him, I would say that he doesnt look 100% sound all the time but that could very well be due to him being held together so much and not able to open his stride up. Would really like to see him ridden forward more or lunged so you can see his gait better.
 
Not stepping through in trot, being ridden quite deep with poll too low and canter not very fluid. Would be interesting to see ridden without a contact too see his natural balance and paces.
 
He reminds me of Shadow 2 year ago!

In terms of ridden I agree with those that have said he looks held together, it looks like he leans on the riders hands quite a bit and thats where the inconsistence comes from. Get him to carry himself and I think it would be a different picture.

His movement, looks typically welsh to me, they don't tend have a very open shoulder. I'd also be interested in his breeding :) Personally I like him but then thats probably because he reminds me of whats in my stable and I know what hard work can turn that into :D for the record Shadow also holds his tail to the side, not quite as much as this one but no back problems.
 
The video stopped about 1/2 way through but from what I saw, overbent, short/choppy trot strides, hindered by the rider - goodness knows what she was supposed to be rising to, poor trot/canter transition and his canter was almost 4-time, it took several strides to be able to tell which leg he was leading with on the left rein. I suggest that he needs a physio to look at him (and a different rider). I'd want to see him inhand to be able to judge properly.
 
When I see a pony/horse going like this I always wonder what would happen if they let his head go a bit.
Would it just fall off?
Certainly seems that somebody's worried about that happening.:D

Agree with other posters, nothing coming from behind.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
The video stopped about 1/2 way through but from what I saw, overbent, short/choppy trot strides, hindered by the rider - goodness knows what she was supposed to be rising to, poor trot/canter transition and his canter was almost 4-time, it took several strides to be able to tell which leg he was leading with on the left rein. I suggest that he needs a physio to look at him (and a different rider). I'd want to see him inhand to be able to judge properly.
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^^^ This, he looks typical of a horse worked in draw reins too much. I'd also question whether he was sound behind.
 
Is this your horse? Or one you're considering buying?

I think the rider is doing a nice job of presenting a horse which is working to the best of its limited ability. Yes, it is on the forehand and a little btv at times, but the contact is consistant and I think it'd be a very long period of change for this horse to go any differently.
I agree it doesnt always look 100% as it takes a few mis-steps, but it's generally straight and true, it just doesnt have much talent!
 
Horse is ridden to deep with the neck to short, paces look limited and his steps are way to short ( probally due to being ridden to deep ) .
The tail may be something or nothing but if I was looking for a horse I would walk away from this one I simply dont like it enough to investigate it.
 
Not my cup of tea at all,looks very tense and tight and looks like it is being held together by the rider rather than carrying it's self. It's paces look stuffy and tight, potato planting rather than moving forwards. I would walk away.
 
Well unlike everybody else I really like this horse!!

He has rythmical paces, he is working round and I particularly like how quiet and happy he is in his head carriage- no yanking, he is soft and consistent. The first couple of strides into canter were a little disunited but again he soon settled into a rythmn.

He is listening to what is being asked of him, he is working round, soft and IMO looks like a really sweet chap.

CC- he is working behind the vertical and I also would like to see him being ridden from behind more. That said Welshies have short, stocky necks so working long and low and stretching through their necks just doesn't come naturally to them so takes a lot of work. I have an identical Welsh D and if encouraged to work from behind their paces really do open up considerably and will also come up in front, meaning they won't get so deep in their contact.

If you are looking for a genuine, easy and uncomplicated chap, he seems a good bet!! Let us know what you do...

PS Don't think she is a bad jockey at all- nice seat and rides quietly. Think it is a bit mean of people to critise her when no-one knows her, she probably doesn't even know she is on here! For all we know she might of started riding 6 months ago!!
 
Sorry forgot to say I would definitely get physio to see him re tail etc. Would be interesting to see the difference in him after that!
 
If she was a novice rider you'd expect her to wear a hat at least?? I think she looks more like a person who's been around horses for a long time and is trying to make the pony "look good" for a viewing, which if she is doing that fair play because don't we all try to get the best out of a horse if its up for sale and someones viewing it. I am not making a comment on her ability as a rider or the ability of the pony.
 
Overbent and not tracking up properly, he does have a nice rythm though.

Also rider not wearing a hat, my pet hate :mad:
 
Horse is lovely looking but not tracking up and looks to have a pony stride in front and no engine behind. Looks like a false outline very on the forehand or just evading the contact by being behind the bit. Hard to tell without feeling what the rider feels but I would not be happy with this. Hope you get it sorted as stunning horse.
 
I don't think the rider is doing a bad job either. Whilst his outline is a bit closed I am not so sure the picture would be that different if he was being ridden a bit more open because there is nothing happening behind - and I imagine if you were to ask for more impulsion it would simply result in more tension across his top line and faster, choppier strides because he doesn't look 'through' at all. Perhaps she is riding him with less power in order to maintain a better rhythm and a more consistent contact?

Whether this is just a training issue or there is something physical going on at the back end (possibly related to tail) or simply how he is put together I think is hard to tell from this video (well for me anyway!)

He is a nice looking chap but I think I would walk away unless he showed a a lot more freedom of movement on the lunge.

I have a welsh cob and even when he gets a bit too deep and on the forehand (not something I aim for BTW) he'll still track up and achieves a better length of stride than is being demonstrated in the video.
 
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