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ed;I have to be careful as horse under vets. (not mine)

Mare colic --- vet called - rectal fine drug given vet gone
2 weeks
mare colic vet come rectal fine- drugs given vet gone
1 week
vet colic we walk round and round 1 1/2 finally colic goes
3 days vet colic walk round nearly 2 hrs colic gone
2 weeks colic again bloods taken we walk round colic gone
3 days mare colic again owner told just to wait a week before worming before bloods back for results and if mare colics again during the next week owner must just walk it.:rolleyes:
we walk it round again- I say to owner STUFF I SAY VET I AM COMING FOR WORMER NOW!!!.
owner goes gets wormer we give and settle her down.

next day tape worm found in poo
2 weeks colic again more wormers given

2 weeks colic again more wormers.


mare has minor problem finaly goes to vet test no ulcers nothing seen bloods taken
results bloods show could be bacterial.
she comes home wed ( up monday)


This morning i look in field she is flat out again..

This young girl is so naive - we have helped her in every which way but decisions are down to them and the vets.

I would demand further tests I would have demanded better from beginning and got 2nd opinion,

Cannot say to much what I think here as I know some involved may view.

what do you guys think?
 
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Sorry Leviathan, I don't understand your post. Are you saying the vet has blamed a wormer for the colic? Or that the vet is reluctant to worm the horse in case it causes colic? :confused:
 
Wagtail said:
Sorry Leviathan, I don't understand your post. Are you saying the vet has blamed a wormer for the colic? Or that the vet is reluctant to worm the horse in case it causes colic? :confused:
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waggy this is how the problem has unfolded.

you know me hard to explain

after numerous bouts of colic they took bloods and said wait till results back before worming

They say do not worm till bloods come back in a week so owner said what if she colics in that week they just said give bute and walk - i told them no go up there demand the wormer
I found the mare cast one day

she could die in that week, if bloods comes back - tape worm you have to worm anyway so why risk a week of not worming when we could wake up find her dead

I better go check on her
 
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It sounds as if the worming has been done in full now anyway unless there is a real worm burden or old worm damage which should show in the test results.
Has her management been changed to try and help the colicking, it is more likely to help now, if nothing shows, to keep her off too much grass, get her into a strict routine, cut out any cereals and put her onto a probiotic to support the gut function.
You do not say what type of colic was diagnosed, as they all need a slightly different regime, an impaction could be due to the horse not drinking enough so that can be fairly easily addressed by getting more fluids into her, although an infection which may be showing could need more veterinary intervention.

If you are concerned speak to the owner and explain your fears, ask if you can contact the vet direct, if the owner lacks the experience or confidence to ask the right questions, as the YO the vets can be instructed to speak to you and discuss any treatments, you may get clearer answers than through the owner who may not quite understand what the urgency is and how serious colic can be.
 
Blood worms can cause colic (pain in gut area).

Suggest the owner asks the vets to explain and that she is very concerned about colic in the meantime.
 
Hope the mare is okay. Must be very worrying. Something is obviously not right. But I am surprised she has not been referred to an equine hospital. She could have some intestine that keeps getting trapped and then righting itself. This is how I lost my boy a few years ago. He had a few bouts of colic but always recovered well. So the day I lost him I was not overly concerned at first, though I called the vet right away. However, this time he did not get better despite vet treatment and was referred to Rossdales. They found seven feet of intestine that had fallen through a membrane next to his diaphagm and was now strangulated. They operated successfully, but sadly he was paralysed and had to be PTS in recovery.
 
I lost my pony to colic 2007.


worm count done she was ok
she has no cereals just nuts and grass ( bagged grass) at the moments and hay

she lies down flat or sits up
when you try to walk her she jerks her head up and steps back a few steps

she then stops stretches one or two legs forward stretches then walks on again
as well as lying down the normal colic way if you let her

intestine getting trapped is the reason how i lost my pony Bonnie:(

They have put her on anti biotics and a gut soothing supplement

Never seen any colic horse doing the things she does, and i seen a lot in my 40+ years
 
which wormers were given on each occasion.

Tapeworms were unlikely to be the cause of the colic IMO, and have to say I think I would have been with the vet re not worming an already gut compromised horse. - because essentially if there is a significant problem you do risk making it temporarily much worse.
 
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which wormers were given on each occasion.

Tapeworms were unlikely to be the cause of the colic IMO, and have to say I think I would have been with the vet re not worming an already gut compromised horse. - because essentially if there is a significant problem you do risk making it temporarily much worse.
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sorry I lost my pony to colic and did not want a livery die on me
Sorry but when my mare was on box rest with lami she colic and vet took bloods and found med tape worm, she told me to worm with Paramox

she never colic again

When this horse colick it at this time was colicking every few days we decided to worm her as we had a week of coliking walking risk of her dying over night. As I said the day after worming her with double panicure there was a large tape worm in her droppings, so IMO we did the right thing as for the rest of the week and the one after she did not colic again.
here is a picture of the worm in this link http://horse-care-and-advice.weebly.com/w.html.


And the vet did say if the bloods showed tapeworm we were going to worm her at the end of the week, so they did not say were were NOT going to at all just to wait till bloods, we just brought it forward and in this case it was justified.

I do not know what she used the 2nd and third time only the first time
 
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panacur (which you don't ever use as a double dose ordinarily :confused:) doesn't work for tapeworm if that was what was used and that image looks like a roundworm to me
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for ref tapes (bigger and flatter) look like

tapeworms-in-horse-dung.jpg
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Worming doesn't seem to have resolved the issue anyway as the horse is still colicing, 8 times in 7 weeks so although your vet advised you to do this for your mare and she didn't colic again all horses are different and I think the owner should be taking all guidance from the vet.
 
Tapeworms can and do cause colic, having had a horse with recurrent colic until bloods showed tapeworm. After a double dose of STRONTID P granules he has been fine ever since, with regular worming. (3 yrs)

Panacur does not kill Tapeworm!
 
the double dose panacur would not have removed any tapeworms- if liquid 5 day it can remove encysted redworm and I wouldn't use the standard paste due to widely reported resistance, if tapeworms are possibly causing a colic problem the horse would need to be wormed with either a double dose of pyrantel emboate (pyratape/strongid) or single dose of praziquantel (pramox/equimax).

Go ahead its just an internet stock pic if you google horse tapeworms.
 
leviathin, you are not a vet.
all colics are different. worming has obv. not resolved it. pramox would be very dangerous in a horse that has a high burden hence not worming before bloods.
she could have numerous different things, vets are prob trying not to waste owners money un neccessarily. oweners may not be able to afford referral
 
SusieT said:
leviathin, you are not a vet.
all colics are different. worming has obv. not resolved it. pramox would be very dangerous in a horse that has a high burden hence not worming before bloods.
she could have numerous different things, vets are prob trying not to waste owners money un neccessarily. oweners may not be able to afford referral
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I know I am not a vet:rolleyes: and there are many types of colic I have seem them all but this mare acted differently.

But we were in this situation, I have not posted all the details in case its viewed by the people involved.

Horse is insured and it was going on insurance. We saw the horse in this situation and had to deal with her into the late night.

With a twisted gut and intestinal entrapment possible the owner did not want to take the risk and have worst happen during the night.

ATEOTD I cannot go into full detail without

A asking owners consent
B causing trouble with their vets
 
That's definitely not a tapeworm. She should just stick to her vet's advice in this case and if she is not happy get a second opinion from another vet. I wouldn't want to repeatedly worm a horse that is having gut problems.
 
We have a horse on the yard who has had similar symptoms. Vet thought his was, worm related, he was wormed but still kept getting mild bouts of colic.
Turned out to be a liver infection.
 
which a high wbc would suggest infection so appropriate treatment can be started. a rectal and clinical examination performed by the vet will have rulled out twisted gut and entrapment at the time.
 
I believe tapeworms can cause colic if present in large numbers. It is no longer thought they are benign. They attach near the ileo-caecal valve in the gut.
 
Leviathan you really should be more careful about ensuring that the information you put on your website is accurate.

The photo on there, labelled 'tapeworm' does not show a tapeworm. It is a pinworm, which requires an entirely different approach in treatment.

Do you really need telling just how potentially harmful misleading people in this way could be..?
 
tapeworm are certainly not benign, they cause ileo-caecal impactions i.e colics that need surgery-but these tend to be acute and if you worm a horse with a high tapeworm burden with pramox you can kill everything which leads to impactions and all sorts of problems hence why vet wanted to wait...
 
amandap said:
I believe tapeworms can cause colic if present in large numbers. It is no longer thought they are benign. They attach near the ileo-caecal valve in the gut.
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And a large die off from an unsupervised worming can block said valve - si maybe not a good idea to worm while vet is still investigating.

Let the vet do their job
 
thanks for the extra info re the tapeworm/colic links had it drummed into me too much that tapes are low pathogenicity compared to everything else (and too much worm work with sheep!) I forgot about the junction clog up.

I'm afraid I agree with LBM that you really ought to check things before you post them on your site, a quick google image search would have told you it wasn't a tapeworm.
 
Realy worried for this mare she colicked again tuesday night,
now she isn't eating much . I think G ( the pony) could do with some healing vibes, she is lying down now in the field mum will be here soon
 
My mare had colic before christmas, I had been on the way to buy wormer when I spotted her lying down where she wouldn't normally and suspected colic right away. After a horrible night she pulled through, but was really weak. I had bloods taken to find out the cause, suspecting tapeworm, or a tumour or something, but all that came back was internal bleeding caused by irritation to her gut - it was feed related (hay or sugar beet we suspect).

It took me another 6 weeks to pluck up the courage to worm her, I knew she needed pramox but was too scared to give it to her for risk of another colic episode. I opted for Eqvalan duo first, then a week later Pramox - I was petrified of finding a big mass of tapeworm but all that happened was she stopped shedding eggs for a while.

What I'm saying is, I would not have wormed before the bloods were back, and even then, I was really wary of wormer related colic so I would probably take the vet's advice on this one.
 
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