MotherOfChickens
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yes, its bad enough when Fitz stares at me for hours! (and he does, the little weirdo)
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yes, its bad enough when Fitz stares at me for hours! (and he does, the little weirdo)
Clodagh
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Collies! ?
Clodagh
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That’s so funny!I like them too. I love to watch them working/competing.
This video shows how smart they are. I believe it is French Ring, object guard. He gave up waiting for the decoy to try to take the basket and decided to speed things up
https://fb.watch/ceLGANf65K/
Moobli
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I have working line GSDs that are more similar to Malinois in temperament and drive than to show line or pet bred GSDs. I always feed them separate from one another and don’t interfere while they eat. This does not preclude me from removing anything from their mouth. My male did resource guard bones and food when he was younger but I didn’t make an issue out if it. I would add higher value food (ham chicken beef etc) to his bowl but never took it away. He would be fine now if I did need to take the dish away before he’d finished or if I need to take something out of his mouth.
I have also used a portion of their meal for training but never the entire lot. When they get their dinner they can just relax and enjoy it.
I have also used a portion of their meal for training but never the entire lot. When they get their dinner they can just relax and enjoy it.
Moobli
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I like Malis too and if I were 10 years younger I might even have one.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
When I was a kid we were never allowed near the dogs when they were eating, I was never left alone with them when younger, we also knew not to mither them if sleeping/tired and to never approach a strange dog without the owners permission. I dont know if that says more about dogs then, or people now or vice versa
I think it says that your parents were very sensible, there is a vast difference between having the adult, who is in charge of everything in the house, move the dog's dish, or add or remove something and having children allowed to pester the dog. I rather think that the mumsnet dog is getting mixed messages from all the different people who are involved in 'training' it.
MotherOfChickens
MotherDucker
agree but our dogs were far from well trained or behaved. It’s an interesting ethical debate (for me anyway) as to what we can/should expect our animals to put up with and what we expect behaviour wise.
eg some seem to think dogs should put up with everything we want them too, but is this fair or realistic even with ‘training’? Same with horses.
Clodagh
Well-Known Member
Mum tells me that we were never left alone with the dog. I suspect mum wouldn’t risk the dog rather than us ?
MotherOfChickens
MotherDucker
Wise mum. I cringe every time I see one of those toddler/baby photos with a dog laying alongside.
I have no maternal instinct, I feel bad for the dog being put at risk even while acknowledging some dogs would rather die than hurt the child.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Oh hai
I hand feed most of my dogs' kibble allowance out on walks, in training or feed it on the track until they retire from competition.
Engagement is very important to me and food from the person for attention gives great engagement.
I'm very happy with it as a training method and so are most of the people I know.
Do it, don't do it, but it works for a lot of people, it's not witchcraft.
It doesn't generally make them resource guardy, quite the opposite, although I like mine to have a lot of possession as well as being able to share and that takes a bit of working out with young dogs.
Buuut the handfeeding is a red herring. This is the wrong dog for a young family/inexperienced (with these breeds) owners. It's not training, it's not decades of dog ownership and being sensible, it's the fact that nothing prepares the average pet dog owner that these are (generally) high drive/high nerve animals who love biting - and that's not compatible with most households.
A lot of sports handlers and police forces who switched from GSDs have switched back because it is actually quite hard to get a good one.
One person I know has quit private pet dog training as a business, as a local 'breeder' has flooded the area with crap Malis and they were fed up with turning up to houses where frustrated, under-stimulated dogs had eaten the kitchen units.
Another called me the other day looking for a catchpole. On behalf of an owner on their second (first PTS with aggression).
Dog started biting through venting frustration at other dogs (owner was closest thing to bite) and because it wasn't stopped the first time, it has now learned that biting gets it out of anything it doesn't like and owner couldn't get it out of the car the other day.
The ones you see on YouTube are the good ones. That flash? Pizzazz? Speed? That comes through nerve. Which is great for cool videos and some sports but not so much for a pet dog.
I hand feed most of my dogs' kibble allowance out on walks, in training or feed it on the track until they retire from competition.
Engagement is very important to me and food from the person for attention gives great engagement.
I'm very happy with it as a training method and so are most of the people I know.
Do it, don't do it, but it works for a lot of people, it's not witchcraft.
It doesn't generally make them resource guardy, quite the opposite, although I like mine to have a lot of possession as well as being able to share and that takes a bit of working out with young dogs.
Buuut the handfeeding is a red herring. This is the wrong dog for a young family/inexperienced (with these breeds) owners. It's not training, it's not decades of dog ownership and being sensible, it's the fact that nothing prepares the average pet dog owner that these are (generally) high drive/high nerve animals who love biting - and that's not compatible with most households.
A lot of sports handlers and police forces who switched from GSDs have switched back because it is actually quite hard to get a good one.
One person I know has quit private pet dog training as a business, as a local 'breeder' has flooded the area with crap Malis and they were fed up with turning up to houses where frustrated, under-stimulated dogs had eaten the kitchen units.
Another called me the other day looking for a catchpole. On behalf of an owner on their second (first PTS with aggression).
Dog started biting through venting frustration at other dogs (owner was closest thing to bite) and because it wasn't stopped the first time, it has now learned that biting gets it out of anything it doesn't like and owner couldn't get it out of the car the other day.
The ones you see on YouTube are the good ones. That flash? Pizzazz? Speed? That comes through nerve. Which is great for cool videos and some sports but not so much for a pet dog.
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Clodagh
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But they are really cool looking dogs ?
BBP
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I saw a video yesterday of a 6month old cane corso, eating from its bowl, in its crate, with a tiny child/baby in the crate with it. The reasoning of the owner being if the dog was used to kids at feeding time from being a puppy that it would grow up being good and reliable around children and food. Now I’m not a dog expert, but my tiny brain cells tell me that this is not a great plan.
Moobli
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MotherOfChickens
MotherDucker
dear god.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
That’s terrifying. ?
Wishfilly
Well-Known Member
Not hugely relevant to where the thread is now, but I had a look at the forum as I had an hour or so to kill today- I thought most of the advice on most of the threads seemed reasonable (although some was perhaps excessively rigid) but some of the threads themselves were insane!
I liked the "An online quiz has recommended me a border collie x poodle as an ideal first dog- will it be fine with 2 30 minute walks a day?".
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I saw it get called 'Prosecco Stormfront' once ?
Someone did refer someone from there to here/me once and I composed a lengthy PM reply, I **may** have got thank you, but certainly not an update on how things went, sigh...
Someone did refer someone from there to here/me once and I composed a lengthy PM reply, I **may** have got thank you, but certainly not an update on how things went, sigh...
maisie06
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I'm pretty sure there's a guy on my gundog forum who has picked up with a Mali - he also breeds them for guarding and protection.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Catchpole dog was going to be PTS this morning but intervention is underway. I've suggested owner doesn't get another dog.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Who would take on a catchpole Mali? That would be a tough gig.
They are indeed very attractive dogs, but not for the likes of me.
They are indeed very attractive dogs, but not for the likes of me.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
It's actually not too bad away from owner.