Other liveries interfering on DIY

ester said:
Quite, how do they want for nothing when they live in their own **** for 24 hours straight and go without hay for 3 days? you seem to have strange ideas about wanting for nothing and what is adequate basic horse care. If you have people that can help you at as they say, get them to skip out on the days you cannot do them until the afternoon.
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Oh wow you really can't read.....
 
TuscanBunnyGirl said:
I think it's quite normal practice to muck out in the morning and skip throughout the day or in the evening, some inc myself muck out twice a day if they're staying in. Mine get a last skip out at 10pm and check to see if they're happy and healthy and need any hay/water etc. So when you ask 'what my problem is' it's the fact that I don't get why your horses are left all day without any care when us others manage fine..
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No one else I've met seems to have a problem with seeing to their horses twice a day on DIY. Especially since we all have jobs to go to during the day
 
MaeBee93 said:
Oh wow you really can't read.....
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well I have tried to get clarification, by questioning what you have said, with quotes, and bits in bold to try and find out exactly what is going on given that you have then gone back on what you said originally.

So far as I can now tell you are suggesting that because you get them out in the lunge pen for 25 minutes a day the fact that they are only mucked out once a day on the days they do not get turnout is then ok? I don't really see anyone other than you on this thread disagreeing with me that if your horses are not turned out on those occasions they need mucking out in the morning AND in the evening, not one or the other and that it is not normal to do so.
 
Achinghips said:
No, you said your underweight Tb can't cbe lunged . Your other is an arthritic cob, so no again.
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They don't get lunged (and it's not a 20m circle size pen either before you cry over that as well) they just go in the lunge pen and blow steam and then their hand grazed

Let me edit this before someone cries again.....

I will stand with them to eat the grass next to the lunge pen
 
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MaeBee93 said:
No one else I've met seems to have a problem with seeing to their horses twice a day on DIY. Especially since we all have jobs to go to during the day
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Yes, most DIYers including me see their horses twice a day.
But seeing is more than seeing, seeing is seeing to their needs, which if they are unable to be turned out means mucking out twice a day. Even when mine is out (they do 8-2 in winter) he is skipped out at 8/9pm and bed tidied and at 6/7am. Full muck out weekends only.
If he had to stay in all day I would probably be seeing if I could get someone to skip at lunch too.
 
MaeBee93 said:
As long as needed. So 25 minutes exercise in a lunge pen is not enough?
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Well I don't believe I lunging horses in circles, especially not an arthritic cob, so for me 25 minutes is too long to be lunging.

But is 25 minutes exercise enough for a horse with no turnout?

I'm afraid the fact that you even ask the question shows how little you understand about good or even adequate horse care.


ETA they aren't being lunged, I see you are now saying, they just go in the pen for 25 minutes. You really, really do need to be keeping goats instead of horses (but then I think you probably are).
 
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MaeBee93 said:
No one else I've met seems to have a problem with seeing to their horses twice a day on DIY. Especially since we all have jobs to go to during the day
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damn it...that's where the rest of us are going wrong. You guys are the only ones who have jobs :/ Sorry...we're all wrong. You're right. Wish everyone could look after their horses as well as you. I'm bowing out of this one...you're either a complete troll or you're genuinely convinced that your 'care' for your horses is remotely acceptable- if it's the latter..I'm so sorry for you horses.
 
ester said:
Yes, most DIYers including me see their horses twice a day.
But seeing is more than seeing, seeing is seeing to their needs, which if they are unable to be turned out means mucking out twice a day. Even when mine is out (they do 8-2 in winter) he is skipped out at 8/9pm and bed tidied and at 6/7am. Full muck out weekends only.
If he had to stay in all day I would probably be seeing if I could get someone to skip at lunch too.
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So you. Only do a full muck out at weekends....
 
I don't think anyone is saying you are not coming to see your horses enough just that they need skipping out twice a day if they are only going out for 30 half a hour in the lunge pen rather than the once a day you currently do. If they were being turned out in the morning for the day or over night then yes once a day skipping out is sufficient. It is just on the days that they are in for nearly 24 hours that they could do with being skipped out twice a day.

MaeBee93 said:
No one else I've met seems to have a problem with seeing to their horses twice a day on DIY. Especially since we all have jobs to go to during the day
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Yes, I said earlier I was a fan of semi deep litter or did you not read that? Given your charming comment to me earlier about reading...

Have used a variety of beddings to do it on, but having a particularly tidy horse have done it on straw too though it certainly isn't the best, better with a bag of something else as a base IME.

But, back to the point of this post no one would ever question either the state of my bed which would never get to the point of looking filthy as skipped twice or three times a day as described, or the forage my horse was being fed.
You were stroppy that other liveries were interfering. I think the general gist of this thread is that people are rather understanding as to why they would and usually on this forum people would be aghast at people getting involved or sticking their oar in just because things were done differently.
 
MaeBee93 said:
They don't get lunged (and it's not a 20m circle size pen either before you cry over that as well) they just go in the lunge pen and blow steam and then their hand grazed

Let me edit this before someone cries again.....

I will stand with them to eat the grass next to the lunge pen
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For how long are they out of their stables?
 
MaeBee93 said:
So you. Only do a full muck out at weekends....
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When mine were in stables I deep littered on various bedding and only mucked out fully once every three or four months. My horses never stood in a stable for twenty four hours without being skipped out and the top was always clean and dry. I'm not blowing my own trumpet her, that's NORMAL.
 
SO1 said:
I don't think anyone is saying you are not coming to see your horses enough just that they need skipping out twice a day if they are only going out for 30 half a hour in the lunge pen rather than the once a day you currently do. If they were being turned out in the morning for the day or over night then yes once a day skipping out is sufficient. It is just on the days that they are in for nearly 24 hours that they could do with being skipped out twice a day.
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But no one is reading the rest, they are attacking because someone does things differently because i muck out in an evening instead of a morning. And the fact the muck heap this week has not been emptied and no one can physically put muck on there anymore so we are all restricted. We have a bog standard yard and unfortunately we've found my stables leak. So I will change from deep litter to full muck out WHEN I have somewhere to put their beds and in the meantime they are getting a tonne of straw on top to combat the wet. So my beds haven't been perfect this week (still a few inches of clean between the muck and the horse they've still got banks too and its big enough) my horses have been fed plenty they still get out their boxes they are groomed rugs changed accordingly etc. However someone has come in my stable hung nets up for two horses who don't get fed out of nets for vet reasons even though they clearly have hay and they a choosing to eat the straw instead and dug up the mess from the bottom and put it on top of the bed. Then turned the tb out in a soaking wet paddock on her own and all she did was stand and crib at the gate!
 
someone has come in my stable hung nets up for two horses ....... even though they clearly have hay
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Why would they?

Do they still 'clearly have hay' a couple of hours after you've gone home? Is the hay that they've 'clearly got' being trampled into the muck you don't take out often enough?
 
ester said:
Yes, I said earlier I was a fan of semi deep litter or did you not read that? Given your charming comment to me earlier about reading...

Have used a variety of beddings to do it on, but having a particularly tidy horse have done it on straw too though it certainly isn't the best, better with a bag of something else as a base IME.

But, back to the point of this post no one would ever question either the state of my bed which would never get to the point of looking filthy as skipped twice or three times a day as described, or the forage my horse was being fed.
You were stroppy that other liveries were interfering. I think the general gist of this thread is that people are rather understanding as to why they would and usually on this forum people would be aghast at people getting involved or sticking their oar in just because things were done differently.
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My beds only started looking crap when my stables leaked before that they were perfect. Deep litter will not work so I'm changing back to a full muck out night however muck heap is bursting so I haven't swopped over yet and liveries entered my stable and pulled all the wet from underneath and put it in top
 
ycbm said:
Why would they?

Do they still 'clearly have hay' a couple of hours after you've gone home? Is the hay that they've 'clearly got' being trampled into the muck you don't take out often enough?
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Yes because when I come back they still have a pile at the front away from the bed. Every night my beds are cleaned but because of the muck heap trouble we have ALL had to just give a quick tidy up and put loads of clean on top. This is my point these liveries do this with everyone.
 
Every reason you give for bad management is down to yard issues. It's your choice to keep your horses on a *****ty yard and doesn't give them good quality of life. I honestly wouldn't keep a horse if the only option I can give it would be an hour nibbling grass and having a canter in a lunge pen, and then being stuck 23 hours in a box. It's no life for an animal.

why not take the pressure off yourself and turn them out to 24/7 grazing, even if its a bit of a journey away? It would take a huge amount pressure off you. And having a heavy cob and a underweight tb isn't an excuse. I have had both, and they both coped fine. cob went unrugged and tb went rugged and somewhere with forage. both survived and were way happier than if they had been in 24/7
 
MaeBee93 said:
My beds only started looking crap when my stables leaked before that they were perfect. Deep litter will not work so I'm changing back to a full muck out night however muck heap is bursting so I haven't swopped over yet and liveries entered my stable and pulled all the wet from underneath and put it in top
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Have you asked them why they did this and why they gave your horses food that they didn't need?

And by the by, an hour out of the stable in a tiny pen or eating grass on the end of a lead rope isn't good enough.
 
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paddi22 said:
Every reason you give for bad management is down to yard issues. It's your choice to keep your horses on a *****ty yard and doesn't give them good quality of life. I honestly wouldn't keep a horse if the only option I can give it would be an hour nibbling grass and having a canter in a lunge pen, and then being stuck 23 hours in a box. It's no life for an animal.

why not take the pressure off yourself and turn them out to 24/7 grazing, even if its a bit of a journey away? It would take a huge amount pressure off you. And having a heavy cob and a underweight tb isn't an excuse. I have had both, and they both coped fine. cob went unrugged and tb went rugged and somewhere with forage. both survived and were way happier than if they had been in 24/7
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I have considered that but thought I'd give this a try first. Yes my problems have come about from what's happened on the yard but this is all in the space of a weeK. does everyone just pack up and leave if they don't get perfect service. The leaky stable and the full muck heap are very unfortunate but the YM is trying very hard to get someone to shift it asap for us and I'm actually being bought extra straw to compensate for how much I'm burning through. Only when the fields are wet do we get told no turnout and it just so happens to be this week it's peed it down everyday the week before it was cold but dry and they were out 12 hours a day!
 
i can't even imagine being heavily preggers and trying to cope with all that! Throw them out in suitable winter grazing and offload all the stress. It would be better for the tb definitely, they soon adjust to living out and it would be better for the ulcers and cribbing. You'l save a ton of cash and stress.
 
ycbm said:
Have you asked them why they did this and why they gave your horses food that they didn't need?
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They don't like deep litter beds and they said it's because the TB is skinny (she's put on weight since being with me) they've been heard saying they are planning on getting me and another livery kicked off.
 
paddi22 said:
i can't even imagine being heavily preggers and trying to cope with all that! Throw them out in suitable winter grazing and offload all the stress. It would be better for the tb definitely, they soon adjust to living out and it would be better for the ulcers and cribbing. You'l save a ton of cash and stress.
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I will take another look at places that offer 24/7 turnout or maybe renting a bit of land??

I have a very small bump and have only had to stop riding about 3 weeks ago and that was because i didn't fancy washing vomit out my horses mane each time we had a trot or did a circle in canter haha!!
 
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