Other peoples horses…

[Roasted Chestnuts]

Trashing your grazing ?

So I’m fuming. The livery who has her three massive IDxs in the field next to mine has shoddy fencing. It’s one strip of broken knotted electric tape. You can touch it and it doesn’t give you a zap because there are so many breaks and she has ended it but tying it to a wooden strainer, it’s not insulated at all.

I’ve put in electric rope fencing with wooden posts at regular intervals (8m) and plastic posts in between. As I move Faran down the field I add extra lines and taller posts but just to keep the field all connected the bits he isn’t in are single line but it’s still all rope and tight and insulated.

Her horses have broken Through her inadequate fencing, ripped out my wooden posts and broken my rope and trashed my winter grazing. She isn’t bothered in the slightest. Her answer was I can’t be in the field to watch them all the time. I told her to put up proper fencing and actually electrify it, she couldn’t give a hoot. They broke through in summer as well before I put up my winter grazing fencing but the field wasn’t as trashed as it is now. She didn’t acknowledge that happened either. I’ve told her I’ll be billing her in future for my costs to repair and that my fencing is there to keep my horse in and not her horses out. They have done it when Faran wasn’t out I think and I didn’t have my fence switched on. I switch it off to save the battery but I think now I’m just going to have to leave it on 24/7 to try to stop her horses getting in.

I’ve gone to the farmer and he is aware of the situation and will speak to her if she comes complaining, I don’t want him thinking I’m a problem livery but I need to make him aware that his may be an on going problem.

I can post a vid if the damage if folk want to see. Here is one of what I came down to. Faran hadn’t been in this but yet as he was getting section by section to help control his weight.

 

[throwawayaccount]

That’s so frustrating this happened to me a few years ago, the field id kept so “nicely” over winter got completely ruined in minutes. sorry this happened

 

[meleeka]

Are you on a yard? If so it’s probably time to invoive the YM. Of course you shouldn’t have to maintain her fence, but you may well have to ensure yours in strong enough to keep hers out. I had this with a neighbour (not on a yard) and I resorted to barbed wire,
then electric my side to keep mine from
the fence. I shouldn’t have had to, but It saved me vets bills if the horses had got in with my oldies.

 

[ponynutz]

So sorry this happened. Would be inclined to make her give you some compensation.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

I was with a livery like this. When I asked her about her fencing she said she couldn't afford to fix her electric fence unit..... but she could buy new stuff and afford to go hunting. Absolutely infuriating. Hope you can sort it out amicably.

 

[HashRouge]

If they've got rugs on they may not feel a zap from the electric fencing anyway. I massively sympathies btw - having two chilled retired ponies who never trash their grazing, I can't stand when someone else's horse makes a mess!

 

[Barton Bounty]

Happened to me at the beginning of November , just as I had gone into the winter field. Next door two horses trashed my field. Ate 18 kg of my hay, once finished they pulled my brand new haynets and untied them dragged them through the mud. Fantastic!!! It still hasnt recovered and I had to be placed in a new field ? not happy!!
Owner is not feeding them enough so now they have broken into the arena , broken out the metal gate of the hard standing. And at the weekend he took down the solid stable door! Fkn pollution

 

[MidChristmasCrisis]

You have all my sympathy…this has happened to me in yards gone by…you look after the land as best you can and other folks animals trash it. I arrived one afternoon to find no fence posts/electric tape at the front of my field and 4 other horses charging up and down winding mine up, mud flying. Sadly I don’t have an answer….

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

Thanks everyone. I’m just so mad as I have my Fences this way as it keeps Faran safe and secure and also means I can manage my fields. Every time I watch the video I jest get more and more mad.

I’m tempted to ask the YO/Farmer to put a strip of barbed wire on the other side of my posts then she can do what she likes with her side. I’m honestly angry and gutted as I had enough grazing mapped out to keep Faran until March on some form of grass.

They have broken my plastic posts as well so going to have to order another 20 of those when I get paid ?

here’s the vid

 

[nagblagger]

Has she at least offered to pay for your posts?
I would be mortified if my horses had done that, i appreciate accidents do happen and mine have escaped before however everything was rectified immediately (a tree had blown over. taking sheep/barb and electric wire down).

 

[HashRouge]

Thanks everyone. I’m just so mad as I have my Fences this way as it keeps Faran safe and secure and also means I can manage my fields. Every time I watch the video I jest get more and more mad.

I’m tempted to ask the YO/Farmer to put a strip of barbed wire on the other side of my posts then she can do what she likes with her side. I’m honestly angry and gutted as I had enough grazing mapped out to keep Faran until March on some form of grass.

They have broken my plastic posts as well so going to have to order another 20 of those when I get paid ?

here’s the vid

Gosh, you get given a really decent stretch of winter grazing don't you?!

I do think she should offer to replace your fence posts, 100%.

 

[holeymoley]

I would expect her to at least pay for your posts that have been damaged. I don't know what she expects tbh- using the get out clause of she can't be there to watch them, it's a small area with next to no grass by the look of it. Only a matter of time before anything goes through that.

 

[Barton Bounty]

Nope, she should be paying for any damages and replacing any damaged items! Rude as ….

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

I would be seething too, so damned annoying when you do your best to look after your bit and thoughtless a'holes don't give a damn. I had this once with a neighbouring farmer's cattle - he had no fencing at all just a very gappy hedge. Obviously I made sure, like you, my horses were safely kept in, kept mine in but his cattle broke through over and over again. According to him it was up to me to keep it well enough fenced to keep his cattle out of MY field!

The menfolk had a word and hallelujah! - he saw the light, he fenced his side properly and his cattle were never spotted on my land again. I think the very least she can do is replace your broken posts and wire, but forcing her to do so might be difficult to do. If they have rugs on she needs to tie tape from the chest area so if they do touch yours they will get a hefty zap in the chest. But t hat is no help when they have already broken down their own side and it all falls on yours.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I think she should replace what got damaged I would if my horses had done that.

 

[rextherobber]

Does the farmer/livery yard owner not fence the fields himself? I used to be on a similar yard, the fencing between each field was done by the farmer (wooden posts with 2 strands of mains electric tape) and we could strip graze or section bits off, within "our" field with our own fencing. I do think being responsible for completely fencing your own field is a bit mad, as clearly, some people don't do it properly. What would they have done if these horse had broken in while Faran was out, what if he'd been injured, or injured one of the invaders? Whose responsibility is it? I do feel for you, it's this sort of thing that drove me off livery yards - the utter carelessness and selfishness of others...

 

[Leandy]

She should be paying for your broken property. The yard owner should also be ensuring that liveries have adequate fencing if they are required to provide their own. Otherwise though, annoying as it is, you will will need to breathe a deep breath and let it go! The grazing WILL recover, come the spring.

 

[tristar]

it does not use much battery to leave it on all the time.

really wet the earth rod, you need a strand about 5 footish as well as lower so when they test with the nose they get ``done.``

 

[PeterNatt]

I am afraid that the owner of your Livery Yard needs to invest in some proper fencing rather than rely on liveries to provide fencing.

It his responsibility.

This is what we use for our fencing it is Post and Rail with Equi-Fencing: which prevents horses kicking through the fence line and dogs getting in.

 

[AmyMay]

I am afraid that the owner of your Livery Yard needs to invest in some proper fencing rather than rely on liveries to provide fencing.

It his responsibility.

This is what we use for our fencing it is Post and Rail with Equi-Fencing: which prevents horses kicking through the fence line and dogs getting in.


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This. No amount of electric fencing shoddily erected or wooden posts not knocked in correctly are going to keep determined horses out.

 

[maya2008]

If you are going to be there long term and farmer will not put in proper fencing, can you get some put in yourself? You need a minimum of strainers at each corner, fully round posts and three strands of barbed wire. Then fence yours back off that with electric. Post and rail is nice but seriously £££ and gets chewed.

Only electric mine have ever respected is the thick brown tape from Fieldguard. We set it up exactly as recommended and it packs a serious punch - far greater than the white tape and posts with same battery/energiser. It is also very sturdy and can be used with round wooden posts instead of flimsier fibreglass. It isn’t cheap but is most definitely superior!

On a positive note, our winter trash field was left to rest Christmas Day when they moved fields. It’s already looking greener and the grass has been growing. Yours may well recover, at least a bit!

 

[Trouper]

You have every right to be mad. It is a fine art to manage winter grazing to maximise turnout and grass availability - clearly not a skill she possesses. As for the comment about not being there to see what is happening - what planet is she on? That is precisely why secure fencing is essential.

I am afraid I would be demanding recompense of some sort from her or some permanent fencing being erected by the YO between the different liveries' areas, from which you can sub-divide to manage your own areas.

 

[emilylou]

Wooden stakes with barbed wire in between, then decent electric fencing your side to keep your horses safely away. I bet she’ll figure out her fencing situation pretty quickly then. You can’t reason with a fool

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

This. No amount of electric fencing shoddily erected or wooden posts not knocked in correctly are going to keep determined horses out.

I hope that wasn’t a dig at my fencing ? my wooden posts were in correctly but about 1.5ft into the ground and my rope is tight and strung correctly with another line added as he moves down.

The farmer provides perimeter fencing, it is up to us to fence our individual paddocks. I share a field with another livery and their two horses, we just split it lengthwise down the middle and our horses are able to stay in their fields as we provide adequate fencing for our horses. If I can keep my going Welsh D in a field and they can keep their traditional cobs on little grazing at a time in a field then I’m for believing we are winning. If she did the same then perhaps they wouldn’t escape.

Not everyone has £1000s to spend on fencing, my horse has never escaped his paddocks so my fencing is perfectly adequate.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

I am afraid that the owner of your Livery Yard needs to invest in some proper fencing rather than rely on liveries to provide fencing.

It his responsibility.

This is what we use for our fencing it is Post and Rail with Equi-Fencing: which prevents horses kicking through the fence line and dogs getting in.


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His responsibility is perimeter fencing. It is one big field we are sectioning off. She has half and I share the other half with a livery and their two horses.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

Thank you everyone for confirming what I was feeling would be the appropriate actions and feelings about the situation.

I am currently sitting making taller posts from the broken ones her horses trashed so kind of recycling in a way. I’ve had the posts put back in and I’ve ordered a new ream of fencing and more posts so hopefully I can get this all sorted on my end.

Her horses weren’t out today since she’s having to section off her field. I think the farmer has had a word.

 

[Snow Falcon]

I think I would be sending her the receipt for your purchases.

 

[Barton Bounty]

Thank you everyone for confirming what I was feeling would be the appropriate actions and feelings about the situation.

I am currently sitting making taller posts from the broken ones her horses trashed so kind of recycling in a way. I’ve had the posts put back in and I’ve ordered a new ream of fencing and more posts so hopefully I can get this all sorted on my end.

Her horses weren’t out today since she’s having to section off her field. I think the farmer has had a word.

Thing is, posts arent cheap, Think the cheapest I have seen them for is £14.99 for 10 . She defo needs to cough up!
Me ? Id have apologised profusely! Had my wonderful husband fix the fence and replaced your posts. Bought you some gin and choccies and hoped there were no hard feelings ?

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

Thing is, posts arent cheap, Think the cheapest I have seen them for is £14.99 for 10 . She defo needs to cough up!
Me ? Id have apologised profusely! Had my wonderful husband fix the fence and replaced your posts. Bought you some gin and choccies and hoped there were no hard feelings ?

I am very tempted to. She’s now not coming to the yard without her son or her yard bestie. No idea what that’s about as I’ve said my piece and I was a lot calmer than many people would have been about it all.

She stood and watched the posts being put back in apparently……. Whilst her fencing was on the ground again ?

 

[Barton Bounty]

Ridiculous! ?