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Would Much Would *Athlone Maverick* Dermot Go For? 16.2hh *Make 16.3hh* Irish Sports Horse Important Last Year From Ireland. Rising Six. Nice Temperment.
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oh dear - it's all in the name

.............Maverick !!!!

(I bought a horse once with 'B' as part of his name and his dam was madam B - and at times he lived up to the b'tard part of his name..................)

on that basis I'd avoid - and I don't ever buy greys - but he is very handsome and I like Irish horses and ride one myself (just not a grey) - so if he was good on the day and behaved and passed a 5* probably 3 to 4k but if he misbehaved.............................2ki is about right
 
Rising six I would question as to why he has not done alot (tbh it woudl probably put me off alot that he wasnt shown as ridden in the above pis, or even jumping a simple course)

Aged 3 or 4 I would pay up to £3k for him, aged six I would see him as a project and one with potential risks and not pay more than £2k.
 
But he was sold *backed* was he not, to the people you bought him from? Actually I would be really interested to hear his whole history if you would indulge me
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I think he has a lot of potential, and the age would not concern me at all as I prefer to see 5 year olds having not done much, especially WB types. My WBxTB was only backed as a four year old because she still had a lot of growing to do. She will be six in May, and is just starting to get out and do things having been rebacked in October a full year after being backed. I think she is only just physically ready to do the work I ask of her now.
 
The only thing I would question is he does seem to do a lot of lungeing?
Other than that max 2K if no ridden work done.
 
Sorry but isnt he irish? if so you need to stop kidding yourself - there are plenty of 5 yo irish horses on the 'circuit' who have done much more. If you bought him to show then I would want to know why he hasnt been out doing in hand classes for example. Or age classes, where he would compete against horses of his level.

Warmbloods mature at 7ish and that does not stop their education from being established by that time. The longer that you leave a horse the more change there is of damaging temprament as the horse gets longer to develop his own opinions and get set in his ways without your guidance and encouragement.

If I had a choice between a 5yo who has been brought on slowly (for example has extablished groundwork, can jump a simple course and has just started competing at simple classes, such as age classes or BN or in hand) or a 5yo without the aforementioned basic education I would def buy the first one - or require a substantially discounted price for the one that has done nothing.
 
I see what you mean... Grace has established flat work, and is now starting to collect so I guess she has come quite far in a few months, and she has been out to a local dressage competition (would have been more had Han not been in foal and stressing me out
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Sorry, I thought he was a WB type...
 
Becki that wasnt aimed at you....a diversion - has your mare had her bliking foal yet? You need to go to the pub - for the past 2 foals at the yard we have got so fed up of waiting we went to the pub and had a good drink, on both times we have got back tothe yard to a birth in progress!
 
I have a very green irish 6 yr old- however he hacks out alone and in company, jumps, good to clip, ditches, water and started to establish some basic lateral work, he was still started at 3. Yes he has taken time to mature into his own body (bought as 16.3-now 17.2!!) but he has still been educated, just his brain that needs to catch up with body. Bloomin glad he has been as I wouldn't want a 3/4 bred that fancies an argument at that height! I would get on with it girl, other baby was imported as a 3 yr old before xmas (as you say now 4 in new year) he is about to do first prelim!- good luck he looks lovely!
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Lol We do more then lunging honest! Just I thought lunging photos was a good way give you an idea of his paces. I think he looks much better in flesh. He was brought green for £5250. He was sold to me to be backed and produced. Whats gained from having a five year old on the curcuit? He is doing inhand when the season starts and will prog to ridden and working hunters. Ridden wise we have all the basics. I just don't see why its abad thing not to rush. Some take a 3.5 year old and have him walk, trot, canter and jumping in a week and compete with a few months I'd rather let a horse mature get good ground work, which if nothing else will make life easier for me later, and get the basic over a long time, understanding the way horses learn!
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Personally I reckon 4yr olds should be broken, quietly riding lightly, no stress, maybe pop a cross pole or two, not much more, 5 is when to get them out and about.
We went to see a rising 4yr old which had hunted twice and done a little showjumping. A little fast IMO, but she was tb type so matured earlier, and very nice horse, sensible and lovely, asking 2700.
Too much too soon? Maybe, but I think people can get carried away with 'maturity' sort of thing.
 
Fact is the bigger and stronger a horse gets, if they have a feisty attitude, then the more probs you are going to have. You can of course instill a lot of manners on the ground, but the ones that are taught from the saddle are JUST as important. If he was mine I would seriously crack on with him now, as I would be concerned that any more mature and conditioned he gets, the more difficult he will be to produce under saddle.
 
My point is, that if I wanted to buy something that had done nothing I woudl buy something that is rising 4 not rising 6. There are so many other horses that have done so much more that are of a similar stamp as him, that you could buy for less that what you paid for him originally.

How much ridden work has he done? Is he established w, t & c on both reigns, and does he have any lateral work established? What is he liked over coloured poles...and does he hack out alone and in company?

To me the above is taking it slowly... At rising six I would want to see the horse out at basic competition level (prelim dressage/british novice sj/ age classes/ in hand showing etc) so it is at least proven that he can go out and behave in public.

The fact is that there are so many horses that are doing this (and more, though I dont actually agree with doing too much until they are 6+) and the fact that you seem to be taking it SO slowly may be detremental to his value (almost certanly) and his temprament as he will being asked to do stuff at a later time to all of the other horses of his age. I have just read your post re the coloured poles below - TBH if he saw poles as a matter of course as part of ridden work that would never have happened, as he would not have been giving them a second thought.
 
Well the 4 yr old was turned away for five months then brought back into work beginning of december, he does admitedly have fantastic natural balance and has an old head on new shoulders- sharp as hell tho and I would rather him see the sights and take it all in now, before he is fitter and muscled up and can have an opinion!!- just my way, each to their own, has never done mine any harm I am not taking him out to win, just have a look. We will aim for him to compete two times a month, rc clinics every so often and hack out 2-3 times a week, the rest of the time he lives out with some unbroken 3 yo's and retired brood mare (play time!) I don't lunge too much before ridden work as it gets them quite fit, that comes later when we encourage correct muscle development and self carriage. Not criticising you just pointing out how others do it!
 
wow......By my mind thats alot to pay for somthing thats not done alot. Agree wit Weezy, get cracking with him now. I bought a fantastic 6yo ISH mare, 17hh, cracking jump, fantastic paces, been out and got placed in every unaff dressage test she'd done, good attitude but green for 2.5k.
I was bring her on slowly because she get's het up easily and I wanted to do get her fitter and drop the weight (she was hogged and she looked like a heavy weight cob!). She hd to hve 3 months off starting in November just as she was coming on a treat.......now she's an ARSE! Very sharp and opinionated (despite the fact she has a bit of hi-fi and some hay and loads of exercise!) and I'm having problems!

Is there anybody on the forum who - is very brave/insane/has a death wish who would like to come and ride my horse? (not advertising......honest
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personaly i think a big horse should be backed as young as possible, i knew a horse that was sat on under 18 months (sadly died at 18 months old) was expected to get quite big. also we have a disrespectful 9 month old who to already 15 hands high. she will be hell to back and break when she gets to 4! so she should be introduced to lunge and long rein much younger than that, or she will become very difficult, but her owner keeps her on full and hasnt been down for a few months so at this rate she will bearely be lead around
 
Once my saddle has softened you wouldn't need a super glue bum, you just melt into it and don't budge (I think that may be why I haven't eaten arena surface/tarmac yet
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Well the fact is if you buy a young horse, then do nothing with it, value will decrease - fact!

Showing does matter because happy hackers do not command a high price. But if a horse is sold as a competition horse then people want to know how it handles a busy show environment, what results etc.
 
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