Outgrowing my horse

dreamer334

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I have found myself in a dilemma. About 2 years ago I bought a green ottb. He was 10 when I got him and still hadn't been restarted off the track, he had just been sitting. The seller sold him for super cheap as she didn't really see upper level potential. I do hunters and was showing 2'9-3 foot on my lesson horse before I bought him. I got a trainer and we restarted him and started him over jumps. He is very forward with bounds of confidence issues. Spooks at everything all the time. He was treated for ulcers when we got him so that's not the problem, he's just a spooky horse. At the barn we were at we didn't have standards, we only had jump blocks that went up to 2 foot. So for the first year we just schooled 2 foot and showed twice over 18 inch.

When we moved barns we had access to standards which meant we could move up. However anytime the jumps raise to 2'6 plus he gets nervous. He starts getting really fast, knocking rails, over jumping by A LOT, stopping, or just jumping super hollow. We got a vet check to see if it was anything physical but we found nothing off with him. He has a custom fit saddle that's checked as he gains muscle in his top line. Trainer and I decided it was confidence issues and moved jumps back down and went back to basics to help him gain confidence. We started moving the jumps back up and the same thing happened. So we tried another approach of schooling higher fences more consistently to get him used to them. He started just running through courses with no response to aids asking him to slow down and when we moved back down to 2 foot jumps he kept this habit of rushing jumps and not using his body properly. So instead of focusing on courses we just started working on trot poles, and gymnastic lines of cross rails and 2 foot verticals. This is where we have been for months. I don't need advice on training, I am surrounded by good trainers and resources to help.

On my part of this I started feeling guilt on the fact that it was something I was doing to attribute to this behavior. Longterm goal with me is that I want to move up to derbies, A rated shows, possibly switch to jumpers and do Grand Prixs, etc. etc. etc. Its hard for me as a rider to look at the fact I have overall made no progress with my riding in the past 2 years. I took a lesson a show barn in my area just to focus on my own riding the other day and I was able to school 3- 3'6 courses on a horse I had never ridden before. This only reminded my how much I want my goals to play out.

Is it morally wrong for me to "give up" on my personal horse? I would still ride him multiple times a week, just take away the goals and expectations and do random stuff with him. Occasional schooling shows, hacks, hunter paces, and just random events, and then pursue showing on one of the horses at the show barn so I could move up and expand my riding on a horse that's a little easier and has more potential? I feel awful and like I'm betraying my own horse but I genuinely do not see him as a successful show horse and he is now 12 years old and can't school over 2 foot. I feel like a brat giving up when its hard but we aren't making any progress and I don't want to push him to do something he doesn't enjoy.

Just to add, no I will not sell him. I got him intending to give him a forever home and I don't determine his place in my family or heart based on how high I can show him :)
 

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I know you said that you’re surrounded by trainers, but I’d actually look at you’re own riding first to see if it is actually you.

Also, how much flat work do you do?
 

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I know you said that you’re surrounded by trainers, but I’d actually look at you’re own riding first to see if it is actually you.

Also, how much flat work do you do?

That was the first thing we looked at. When we first became aware of the issue we assumed it was because I might've been nervous and tense which transferred to him. Although I tend to be a confident rider, staying soft, and not consciously intimidated my the higher fences we wanted to rule out everything so my trainer got on and there was no change, and then my previous trainer rode him and had the same issues.

Our weekly schedule has been:
Monday: Flat ride
Tuesday: Jump lesson (working on distances and technique so only schooling a single vertical)
Wednesday: Dressage lesson
Thursday: off
Friday: Flat ride
Saturday: Jump lesson (Schooling courses)
Sunday: Off or trail ride.
 

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Crumbs, if I was that horse I would be pretty peed off. It's possible to over school a horse, and what they learn is how to avoid doing work, they are learning your weaknesses, learning to spot the signs even before you know what you are thinking.
I think he has told you, nope, and all you and your trainers are doing is grinding the lesson in to him. Move him on to someone who just wants to have fun, his ambitions are not yours.
 

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You keep the horse and do what he wants to do. You ride other people's horses to do what you want to do. That seems completely fine to me. Why would that be wrong in any way? Your horse is happy. You are happy.

ETA what would be wrong in my view is to keep pushing your horse to do what you want to do. Sounds like he's not into it.
 

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I think 5 days a week in an arena would have a lot of horses feel fed up. I would mix it up a bit, do 3 days on the arena a week max.

Even when competing, I wouldn't jump more than once a week, with schooling also happening out and about rather than in an arena.

If there is some reason why you can't ride out more, even boxing to do so, then yes, I would sell this horse to somewhere that he can be happy and see if you can find a horse who will enjoy arena work 5 times a week.
 

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My ‘old’ TB (he’s 15 now - I’ve had him since he was 5) has never been particularly confident jumping. He can jump bigger, but if something goes wrong he goes into shut down then won’t do it at all. He wasn’t happy when ridden by a professional event we either.
In the end I’ve been forced to stick to his ‘comfort level’ (<3ft) and we’ve had buckets of fun doing that. He doesn’t know that others are out doing 4ft courses etc. He’s been to national championships at 80cm, we’ve done dressage, polocrosse, TREC, fun rides etc. He’s now taking it even easier due to soundness issues.
It’s not ‘giving up on your horse’ - just accepting that maybe this horse is happier at a certain level.
 

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that sounds like lot of training/schooling to me. when does he have fun? can you just ride him out in the woods or tracks and give him a break from training? i would think he is not happy jumping, could be confidence or could be some sort of pain. if you are happy to keep him for life i would just take the pressure off both of you and enjoy pleasure riding and a bit of showing if he is happy with that..
 

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I’m guessing you are in the States? In my experience is it’s very common for many horses to only ever work in the arena and not hack out regularly like we do in the UK. Some cope but I saw an awful lot get sour, start refusing or rushing. I think your idea to take the pressure off him and let him have fun, and ride other horses to progress your ambitions sounds like a good one, he doesn’t sound like he is coping either mentally or physically with what you want from him. He could have kissing spine or suspensory issues or sacroiliac issues or ulcers, any number of things that are making him like this.
 

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Some horses just don't like jumping. Same as some don't like dressage and love to gallop and jump. I would definitely move on to a horse more suitable for what you'd like to do.
 

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Not every horse can/wants to jump. He will have been trained and conditioned from a very early age to always just go flat. He may make a nice non-jumping horse for someone else if you want to sell but I think at 12 there is no point trying to make him go up a level, he just hasn’t got it in him. It’s not giving up, it’s recognising you’re not well matched and giving him the chance to be placed somewhere he’s better matched to the rider.
 

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Sounds like it’s not really what he wants to do, and that’s fine. Not every horse is going to enjoy jumping. I wouldn’t consider it giving up on him, I’d consider it to be recognising where his strengths lie (or don’t lie) and changing the plan to suit him. You could always move him on or keep him and enjoy him for hacking or more gentle work?

Over the years I’ve seen far too many horses being forced to do jobs they either don’t want to do or can’t physically do and it doesn’t make for pleasant viewing. The fact you’ve recognised that he’s not happy shows you are thinking of him and what’s in his best interests.
 

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I wanted to do dressage. My horse didn't. She doesn't enjoy schooling, she likes fun rides, hacking, popping a few jumps.

I struggled for a few years and we just werent making progress. I eventually gave up. I bought a new pony who enjoys schooling and we are now progressing. I still have my mare. I'll never sell her. We moved to a yard with access to off road hacking for her and a school for me and she now has a sharer who does school or have a lesson once a week, but she gets lots of hacking out with the dressage pony and we are all much happier.

I couldn't really afford a second horse, but moved to a cheaper yard and managed to make it work.
 

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It sounds like a lot of schooling and jumping I am not really surprised his saying no, I would give the school work a break and just hack out a bit more, all the people I know that jump don't jump that much at home.
 

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Not every horse is a natural jumping athlete. He may be great for endurance or any other discipline, horses for courses, that's what they say.

^ Exactly. If he's a nice horse just not for jumping, then why keep him as your bit on the side? Sell him on to a more suitable home where he can thrive and make someone happy and find yourself a new jumping partner.
 
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