kimky
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just wondered guys ...not causing a big debate...but what do you think of horses/ponies working in a out line...? i think it is pretty and gives you extra control. but what do you think ?
thanks xxx
thanks xxx
outlines...what do you think
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Mid
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depends on the horse, but love it, shows that the pony is listening to the rider, and like you said, it looks pretty
YorkshireLass
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If a horse has been muscled up and schooled correctly so it is capable of working in an outline with an educated rider... it is a good thing. It is easier for the horse and the rider has control without conflict. Less stress all round, less chance of injury or upsetting the horse. This is the whole point of working in an outline, not how it looks.
Porblem is when horses are not capable and the rider not educated, for example when people believe the horse is in outline and in reality it is simply over bent with the back end trailing along.... as one so often sees these days...
Porblem is when horses are not capable and the rider not educated, for example when people believe the horse is in outline and in reality it is simply over bent with the back end trailing along.... as one so often sees these days...
Bossanova
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The point of an outline is to get the horse using itself properly and carrying the rider with the best balance possible- prolonging the horse's working life and maintaning a good musculastructure.
I dont agree with pulling the head in to get the neck looking 'pretty' and forgetting about the point of schooling a horse!!
I dont agree with pulling the head in to get the neck looking 'pretty' and forgetting about the point of schooling a horse!!
Tierra
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Cant echo boss enough. Theres nothing pretty about forcing a horses head into a false position just for the vanity of the rider and it drives me crazy.
The point of working a horse correctly is to allow it to carry a rider in the way that is the healthiest for the horses back and to help prolong its working life and its physiology.
Far too many people think its all down to where the head is, grab hold of the front end and hold the head into an artificial shape and to me, thats not just incorrect, its horrible.
So it depends on the question.... a correct outline, yes i love to see it but tbh, its very rare. Rollkur, fake outlines, horses strapped in by gadgets or fixed hands; no, its awful and shows a lack of respect for the animal
The point of working a horse correctly is to allow it to carry a rider in the way that is the healthiest for the horses back and to help prolong its working life and its physiology.
Far too many people think its all down to where the head is, grab hold of the front end and hold the head into an artificial shape and to me, thats not just incorrect, its horrible.
So it depends on the question.... a correct outline, yes i love to see it but tbh, its very rare. Rollkur, fake outlines, horses strapped in by gadgets or fixed hands; no, its awful and shows a lack of respect for the animal
Mid
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yeah, i do agree with that - if you don't know how to get a real outline, just work on your riding before you work on the horse!
mickey
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A horse 'going in an outline' to me - Is a horse working is self-carriage with the main emphasis being on LEG to a giving HAND. Ideally the back end should be engaged and providing impulsion to the front end. Collection comes later.
As I do dressage (at a low level!) I think working not in an outline can be done and it is useful to relax at times, but when it comes to tests / dressage training it is essential.
As I do dressage (at a low level!) I think working not in an outline can be done and it is useful to relax at times, but when it comes to tests / dressage training it is essential.
JamilaParr
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when the horse is working from behind- yes when its just dragging itself along with it's head tucked in no....
i hate horses with no topline or with it only along their neck... and not their backs... ugh lol
i hate horses with no topline or with it only along their neck... and not their backs... ugh lol
lauraanddolly
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Horses ridden in a correct outline should be a joy to watch, it's what i strive for everday!
BlueCharlie
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completely agree with Bossanova
Taboo1968
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Agree with Boss as well......
Blizzard
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Cant echo boss enough. Theres nothing pretty about forcing a horses head into a false position just for the vanity of the rider and it drives me crazy.
The point of working a horse correctly is to allow it to carry a rider in the way that is the healthiest for the horses back and to help prolong its working life and its physiology.
Far too many people think its all down to where the head is, grab hold of the front end and hold the head into an artificial shape and to me, thats not just incorrect, its horrible.
So it depends on the question.... a correct outline, yes i love to see it but tbh, its very rare. Rollkur, fake outlines, horses strapped in by gadgets or fixed hands; no, its awful and shows a lack of respect for the animal
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I totally agree, having one horse that taught to go in an outline using strong spurs, draw reins, yanking and not much else, I also know how frustrating it can be to encourage them that they can stretch and use themselves, instead of fearing they are going to have their heads yanked back into 'place'.
Even now, at 18, despite knowing how to work correctly, if Lance is being asked to stand and has ants in his pants, the first thing he will do is overbend, tuck his head in and try to walk off, going back to days when i think he used to be made to stop then dragged back into an 'outline'.
I can tell when Lance is working correctly because quite simply it fels like you are on another horse.
Cant echo boss enough. Theres nothing pretty about forcing a horses head into a false position just for the vanity of the rider and it drives me crazy.
The point of working a horse correctly is to allow it to carry a rider in the way that is the healthiest for the horses back and to help prolong its working life and its physiology.
Far too many people think its all down to where the head is, grab hold of the front end and hold the head into an artificial shape and to me, thats not just incorrect, its horrible.
So it depends on the question.... a correct outline, yes i love to see it but tbh, its very rare. Rollkur, fake outlines, horses strapped in by gadgets or fixed hands; no, its awful and shows a lack of respect for the animal
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I totally agree, having one horse that taught to go in an outline using strong spurs, draw reins, yanking and not much else, I also know how frustrating it can be to encourage them that they can stretch and use themselves, instead of fearing they are going to have their heads yanked back into 'place'.
Even now, at 18, despite knowing how to work correctly, if Lance is being asked to stand and has ants in his pants, the first thing he will do is overbend, tuck his head in and try to walk off, going back to days when i think he used to be made to stop then dragged back into an 'outline'.
I can tell when Lance is working correctly because quite simply it fels like you are on another horse.
amandaco2
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i agree with boss
rara007
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IMO people focus too much on outlines...After a short while of a horse working correctly it will carry itself in a good outline automaticaly. Most people think on the forehand, head bent in is a good outline, but this is bad for the horse, and your control. Working correctly is important, but if the horse is not muscled enough to have an outline, it should not be forced. It goes without saying working correctly is a good thing, and IMO everyone competing should be aiming for it.