Over 2 You

amymay said:
Something for you to really get your knickers in a twist about.

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES OF LIVE ANIMAL'S BEING SKINNED. Do not open if easily upset or offended. Not suitable for children.

http://features.peta.org/ChineseFurFarms/
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Unfortunately this sort of thing does happen quite often in the likes of china. Its shocking, and just goes to show how little respect these people show animals. Its sickening and unnesesary.
 
Sick. :mad::mad::mad:

Ok the fur trade is alive but you could at least keep the animals humanly and kill them in the best possible way, but to leave animals alive while and after they have been skined.

Seriously. :mad:
 
I couldn't watch but have seen something about this on TV, but in that case they were skinning dogs.


Really, as far as cruelty to animals is conserned, horse racing is the least of our worries.
 
That poor animal at the end, still alive...
i feel physically sick and am in tears :(
So yeah, this shows there are other things in the world that need to be sorted before racing.
I would rather be a racehorse than one of those animals.
 
amymay said:
Something for you to really get your knickers in a twist about.

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES OF LIVE ANIMAL'S BEING SKINNED. Do not open if easily upset or offended. Not suitable for children.

http://features.peta.org/ChineseFurFarms/
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And the reason for posting this is???? most people know this kind of vile cruelty goes on but can do nothing about it with it being a country like China, petitions to governments etc etc would not achieve any changes. China are a law unto themselves, I didn't look at the film as most of us have seen similar on TV anyway, and as previous posters have already said 'it made them feel sick, or they didn't open it' so what are you trying to achieve by posting it?
 
Couldn't bring myself to open the link, though I know this barbaric act goes on. I agree , racing and racehorses are the least of our worries when this kind of cruelty goes on, and it IS cruelty. You can't dress it up any other way. I love racing, I own an ex-racer myself, who is with me till the end, and I'm sick of reading about the Grand National, and racing in general as to how cruel it is. THIS is cruelty!
 
amymay said:
Something for you to really get your knickers in a twist about.

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES OF LIVE ANIMAL'S BEING SKINNED. Do not open if easily upset or offended. Not suitable for children.

http://features.peta.org/ChineseFurFarms/
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I'm with Rouletterose on this one. It's pretty easy to trawl the internet and find stuff like this. Posting on the HHO would obviously upset a lot of people as we all have one thing in common and that is a love of animals.
 
Rouletterose said:
And the reason for posting this is???? most people know this kind of vile cruelty goes on but can do nothing about it with it being a country like China, petitions to governments etc etc would not achieve any changes. China are a law unto themselves, I didn't look at the film as most of us have seen similar on TV anyway, and as previous posters have already said 'it made them feel sick, or they didn't open it' so what are you trying to achieve by posting it?
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I wonder, actually, how many people do realise that this kind of vile cruelty goes on?

And actually we can affect a change - petitioning our government can put pressure on other governments.

As for what I'm trying to achieve - well public awareness for a start (never a bad thing, and I was so horrified by what I saw I thought it important to try and circulate it to a wider audience).

But it was also in response to the Grand National thread as well. With an attempt (perhaps crudely) to try and show that if you want to get your knickers in a twist about supposed animal cruelty - this is a good one to get hysterical over. Because I'm not sure I've ever come across anything quite as shocking before.
 
millreef said:
I'm with Rouletterose on this one. It's pretty easy to trawl the internet and find stuff like this. Posting on the HHO would obviously upset a lot of people as we all have one thing in common and that is a love of animals.
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It's precisely because we are animal lovers that I have posted this - and of course it will upset people. That is the purpose. Think, provoke, act.
 
Rouletterose said:
And the reason for posting this is???? most people know this kind of vile cruelty goes on but can do nothing about it with it being a country like China, petitions to governments etc etc would not achieve any changes. China are a law unto themselves, I didn't look at the film as most of us have seen similar on TV anyway, and as previous posters have already said 'it made them feel sick, or they didn't open it' so what are you trying to achieve by posting it?
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i had heard about this happening in china but always kind of pretended it doesnt happen. and tbh i dont think it is better to turn a blind eye to this kind of thing, yes, maybe there is nothing we can personally do but surely the more people that know the more unacceptable it will become. this sort of thing would have been acceptable in england at one point so the more its publicised the less it will happen (in the long run, im not saying anytime soon) but im sure some people arent aware of this going on.

very sad and disgusting :mad:
 
I am not sure why you feel the need to post unpleasant video clips. I don't want to look at stuff like this because it upsets me. There is nothing that I can do to stop it, so it is a pointless exercise.
 
BigRed said:
I am not sure why you feel the need to post unpleasant video clips. I don't want to look at stuff like this because it upsets me. There is nothing that I can do to stop it, so it is a pointless exercise.
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You don't have to look at it.

And highlighting these sorts of trades is never pointless.
 
amymay said:
It's precisely because we are animal lovers that I have posted this - and of course it will upset people. That is the purpose. Think, provoke, act.
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I actually I don't want to see horror like this on essentially a family forum and for most people it will result in disturbed nightmares not action.

IMO this stuff has no place here whether people think its in the interest of others to ' know' or not. If you want access to this stuff there are plenty of other places to see it. People would be very naive to not realise it goes on but that doesn't mean we want to be reminded of it because I am pretty sure there will no action to help from this forum.
 
BBH said:
I actually I don't want to see horror like this on essentially a family forum and for most people it will result in disturbed nightmares not action.

IMO this stuff has no place here whether people think its in the interest of others to ' know' or not. If you want access to this stuff there are plenty of other places to see it. People would be very naive to not realise it goes on but that doesn't mean we want to be reminded of it because I am pretty sure there will no action to help from this forum.
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The is a massive, clear warning, in red writing - telling you of content- so if you did not wish to see it you did not have to open the link.
 
lexiedhb said:
The is a massive, clear warning, in red writing - telling you of content- so if you did not wish to see it you did not have to open the link.
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I didn't open it but I knew what it was about because its well know how the chinese treat some of their animals. The very fact it is on here reminds you of it.

And perhaps the thread title should alude to its graphic nature not just wait for you to click the link.

I actually thought OVER 2 YOU was about the eventer, hence why I clicked on it.
 
Ah, the old argument. If you can't see it, it can't hurt you. Makes me so cross.

The reactions of some on this thread simply highlight what many have said about the National - the only reason people are up in arms about racing now is because the deaths were do public. And the only reason there is not constant widespread horror about the live skinning trade is because many are 'too horrified' to think about it, and would prefer to ignore it because they feel they stand no chance of changing it.

Amymay, you were right to post this x
 
I have a weak stomach and actually ran to toilet to throw up after watching that.. puts things into perspective really.. tears are streaming down my face at the poor faces!
 
I didn't open this, because of the warning. I know this stuff goes on and I choose not to watch the footage bacause I find it upsetting. But I don't disagree that it should be dealt with, and I don't think that highlighting it is 'pointless'.

I agree with you, amymay, people need to get some perspective.
 
Yes but the problem with this type of thread is that it turns in to a Chinese bashing exercise, where a whole nation of over 1.2 billion people are condemned because of a couple of ignorant/greedy/heartless ones. I just hate the tone of these threads.... Oh the Chinese this and the Chinese that...... Just two words springs to mind here Spindles Farm - Nobody started shouting "Oh those flippin Anglo Saxon White British People....All I'm saying is please let's not allow things like this to slur a whole nation.
 
Yes but the problem with this type of thread is that it turns in to a Chinese bashing exercise
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Many, many cultures in the world think that it's acceptable to treat animals in a inhumane and barbaric fashion. China is by no means alone.

No one has 'bashed' China in this thread - but as it is happening in this country it might be prudent to at least bash their government in to taking some affirmative action to stop it..... After all, it's them that allow the practice to continue.
 
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millreef said:
Yes but the problem with this type of thread is that it turns in to a Chinese bashing exercise, where a whole nation of over 1.2 billion people are condemned because of a couple of ignorant/greedy/heartless ones. I just hate the tone of these threads.... Oh the Chinese this and the Chinese that...... Just two words springs to mind here Spindles Farm - Nobody started shouting "Oh those flippin Anglo Saxon White British People....All I'm saying is please let's not allow things like this to slur a whole nation.
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no one os 'bashing' the chinese in this thread. however, what happened at spindlers farm was completely illegal and dealt with (eventually) and as soon as it was publicly outed
this is going on in china (and many other countries) and people including the government are completely aware of it and not trying to stop it happening. therefore the more publicity it gets the more likely it will eventually stop!
 
amymay said:
Many, many cultures in the world think that it's acceptable to treat animals in a humane and barbaric fashion. China is by no means alone.

No one has 'bashed' China in this thread - but as it is happening in this country it might be prudent to at least bash their government in to taking some affirmative action to stop it..... After all, it's them that allow the practice to continue.
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Yes and if people really want to do something about it they can just google 'Chinese fur trade' and sign one of many petitions that have been going for years, I and all my family signed in 2008.
 
I can promise you that inhumane treatment of animals goes on in almost ALL nations - China is no exception. I live in Hong Kong which is part of China and I'm telling you, if you tried to harm their Poodles here they'd go for your jugular! There are animal lovers here, just like in the UK and other nations so all I'm saying is please don't condemn a whole nation.

By the way, I have a sister called AmyMay - it's not you is it???????
 
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