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I think it's sickening and very sinister that humans can inflict such atrocitties on defenceless creatures.

I am aware of what goes on and have seen similiar films and I am trying to pluck up the courage to view this one.

It does make unpleasant viewing and the warnings are very clear however it does go remind us of the vile acts taking place and if anything is to be or can be done stuff like this should keep coming to the forefront to stop us all getting complacent.
 
I didn't know it went on. If it is legal in China & if you do want to start doing something to put pressure on their govt to prevent it, then stop buying your headcollars,rugs & wellies etc that are made in China and let the companies know why.
 
I clicked on this because I thought it was about the eventer as well. Even reading what it's about is enough to make me feel physically sick and for this reason I will never watch it. It would haunt me forever. I do recall signing the petition years ago. I also support the Scottish SPCA who campaigned hugely to stop the import of dog and cat far into the UK. It wasn't that long ago that it was banned.

There's so many sick things go on. In some ways worse than this. Think about the revolting bear bile trade where they are forced to live in tiny cages for years and have painfull bile drains daily. Mental torture over so long would be a lot worse. The whole thought of skinning alive - I just do not see what it achieves. If they must skin things then at least kill it humanely first. Then there's shark fin soup.....shudder. They sell that in the UK as well.

I remember watching something years ago which showed a collie type dog having its nose bound with wire, its legs tied together and then thrown into a sack. At that point I threw up and had to switch it off. It still haunts me now. That was either China or Korea. I'm quite sure that it's only a very small minority who are involved with these senseless barbaric acts. I'm also sure it all boils down to money, ie it's cheaper not to kill them. But, with things going on like puppy farming (massive mental torture for the bitch not to mention the neglected / abandoned dogs that often result) and dog fighting, not to mention the deliberate cruelty that goes on in this country, it's easy to see that horseracing is one of the last things people should get upset over.
 
_MizElz_ said:
Ah, the old argument. If you can't see it, it can't hurt you. Makes me so cross.
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Its part of the reason bear bile is still availible in certain countries, gorilla hands are chopped off for ashtrays, baby seals clubbed to death for thier skins, elephants hunted for tusks....
Unless you are informed these things happen, how the hell are you supposed to be able to make a difference?
How many people would assume "farmed fur" came from animals kept in humane conditions, humanely killed, etc etc. How many of those people would have thought twice had they known the truth?
You can only make informed decisions IF you are given all the information....be that good or bad.
 
amymay I think you are totally right this sickening practice puts all the moans about the Grand National into perspective, I knew this sort of thing goes on but have never seen such a horrific video. I am sat at my desk in tears and that poor animal at the end will haunt me.
Hopefully one day the worlds attitude to this sort of treatment will change and these videos do need to be seen as they raise awareness.
Is it such a hard thing to do to give an animal a decent life and painfree death? I think not. :mad:
 
Is it such a hard thing to do to give an animal a decent life and painfree death
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And this is exactly what I have been thinking about so much since viewing the video myself. None of us are niaive enough to think that the fur trade (any fur trade) will be outlawed - but it is easy to deliver a swift and painless death to an animal. So why don't they. It's beyond me, it really is.
 
For me Dovorian hit the nail on the head stop buying Chinese products this would have a bigger impact on the Chinese than any amount of protests.

I for one will not be buying any more Chinese products.
 
joeanne said:
Its part of the reason bear bile is still availible in certain countries, gorilla hands are chopped off for ashtrays, baby seals clubbed to death for thier skins, elephants hunted for tusks....
Unless you are informed these things happen, how the hell are you supposed to be able to make a difference?
How many people would assume "farmed fur" came from animals kept in humane conditions, humanely killed, etc etc. How many of those people would have thought twice had they known the truth?
You can only make informed decisions IF you are given all the information....be that good or bad.
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That was my point entirely, Joeanne - of course you cannot change a thing if you don't know of its existence, but when people adopt a 'I know it goes on but it makes me feel bad/sick/horrified so I won't let myself think about it' attitude, THAT is what gets me.
 
As terrible as it is, posting a video on a forum wont change what happens in china. That particular video is quite old, i saw it years ago im certain. As a previous poster said, if you trawl the internet-or even just type 'animal cruelty' into google you will find a thousand things that will make you 'throw up'.

If you are so keen to publicise cruelty then why not try and educate people about cruelty that goes on in the UK. That can be stopped and changed like The abominable way some animals bred for food are treated.
Or even hailing charities like BHWT who rescue and rehome battery hens.

Anyone can sit at their computer and say they are 'making a difference' or 'helping a cause', If thats what makes you feel good then hey, who's to judge.

But then there are the actual people who go out there and donate the money, rehome the animals and volunteer their services to ACTUALLY make a difference.
 
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I totally agree with thepinkpony on this one. There are many awful things which exist around the world but often things on our own doorstep (China is mine ironically), which need to be addressed. The SPSA in Hong Kong is a very active and valued society (just not got the Royal bit at the front). There is also a great deal of work gone on with Bile Bears - this is now ALMOST thankfully a thing of the past through the work of Chinese animal rights activists and locals- including one of my best friends who's raised thousands over the past couple of years. It's also very easy to say "this is terrible - I feel bad" then carry on eating your dinner. Rwanda is a fine example of this - we knew it was going on and a million people hacked to death in 100 days. I think if you're going say that this needs something done about it, then you should stop buying Chinese products -at least then you're not just giving lip-service to the problem.
 
Anyone can sit at their computer and say they are 'making a difference' or 'helping a cause', If thats what makes you feel good then hey, who's to judge.
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I don't think I've claimed anywhere that I'm making a difference to anything.

Cruelty takes all forms - in this country and others - and if highlighting just one aspect of what goes on anywhere draws peoples attention to it how can that be a bad thing?
 
ThePinkPony said:
As terrible as it is, posting a video on a forum wont change what happens in china. That particular video is quite old, i saw it years ago im certain. As a previous poster said, if you trawl the internet-or even just type 'animal cruelty' into google you will find a thousand things that will make you 'throw up'.

If you are so keen to publicise cruelty then why not try and educate people about cruelty that goes on in the UK. That can be stopped and changed like The abominable way some animals bred for food are treated.
Or even hailing charities like BHWT who rescue and rehome battery hens.

Anyone can sit at their computer and say they are 'making a difference' or 'helping a cause', If thats what makes you feel good then hey, who's to judge.

But then there are the actual people who go out there and donate the money, rehome the animals and volunteer their services to ACTUALLY make a difference.
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I think I am right in saying amymay certainly has in the past pointed out the cruelty that does go on in this country just because there is cruelty in this country does that mean that we turn a blind eye to that which goes on elsewhere.

Boycotting sales if done in a large enough scale will certainly help, even in a small scale if its making sure that no one buys from the fur trade unless they are sure of the humane origin. If no one bought the furs in this case the practice would cease and I am willing to bet the western world is one of their best customers.

The more people that know about it better!
 
Amymay - I believe you are right to post this. i have seen it, or something very similar before, which both haunted me AND made me aware of the realities of the fur trade.
Now,I look with pity at anyone who is dull enough to buy into this trade and wear fur. It says so much about them that would be better left unsaid.
(All our clothing is a statement and an identity, isn't it? Mine usually says comfortable and practical , though! )

It's wrong to look away. You should be informed of ANY product before you endorse it by using your money...

When you feel you can do nothing, then the least you can do is bear witness to the act which is being carried out.
 
Yes, but we are talking about a country that awards the ability to skin, cook, carve and serve and animal whilst it is still alive when it arrives at your table.

It is culture to them, and im certain there are millions of natives who recoil in disgust at the type of cruelty going on around them-as millreef says.

Personally i cant stand fur or understand why someone would want to wear it (especially stinky old charlie, eugh, looks better on the animal)

But I am astounded how many people i meet who would more than happily spout off about the cruelty of foxhunting before tucking into their poorly reared pork/chicken dinner completely oblivious as to how the former animal was kept.
 
Some of you have such balanced opinions on this I haven't really got much to add.
Pinkpony- I completely know where you coming from on the chicken thing, because my mum is the same! I now have chickens and would rather kill one of my chickens myself, knowing its had the best possible life, than get a battery chicken that has been 'tortured' (have you seen chicken factories in Thailand?).
I my opinion its the same with a racehorse- yes there a good and bad trainers, but its a strictly controlled industry where the animals get the best possible life.
 
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