Over-excitement in a dressage test!

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I think this is probably a slightly unusual problem, but I'm posting in the hope that someone may be able to offer some advice.

My daughters loan pony really enjoys doing flatwork and schooling, and gets particularly excitable when doing a dressage test. They compete at Prelim / Novice. The problem has got increasingly worse through the last few outings.

Pony warms up beautifully, but the second she gets into the arena and trots down the centre line, she is off like a rocket. My daughter then has to spend the entire test just trying to hold her and aim to get her transitions in the correct places, going for accuracy because there is no chance of getting the lovely movements she knows the pony is capable of. Towards the end of last summer they were scoring in the 70s in prelim and looked lovely and together. Now they are scoring late 50s / low 60s and look like they are having a major battle!

Some venues she is better at than others, but it seems to be a problem that is getting progressively worse. We have tried new venues as well as those she is familiar with, have travelled with and without companions, indoor and outdoor.

It is reflecting badly on her scores - she is dropping about 10% from what she was scoring at the end of last summer. Initially I suspected the wet weather was affecting the pony's mild arthritis and we increased her supplements, kept her warm, she has good turnout and comes in at night, she has regular Bowen treatments; in the last 6 weeks she has had vet (vaccinations/check), dentist, saddler and Bowen. I then blamed my daughter ;) for being uptight at shows (her non-dressagey friend came out for an outing to see if our pony was better with company, and beat her in prelim by 9% which I think added to her stress!). I thought the pony was picking up on her tension, although daughter was insisting that she wasn't tense, but pony was just being very strong.

Daughter doesn't practice full tests at home, because the pony is very clever and learns the tests quickly, then will anticipate and perform movements without being asked. So she will run through parts of a test, or do things in a different order, rather than doing a full test.

She had a lesson yesterday, was schooling beautifully, very obedient, really good transitions, soft, supple, etc. Then her trainer suggested running through her dressage tests. The minute she turned in trot down the centre line, it was like a switch had gone off in her. She went charging off, exactly how she has done in competitions. It was good that she did this with the trainer there, so she could see first hand what the problems are. They then practised half halts and then offering the pony the rein so that she had nothing to pull against. Trainer thinks that she now needs to just keep practising tests until they become less exciting and more like normal schooling. Obviously we can run through every test we have, not necessarily those she will be doing in competitions, to avoid the over anticipation.

Has anyone had this issue, and any other ideas of how else to overcome it?

My other question is, they are due to be competing on Sunday. If my daughter finds she has the same issues, is it acceptable for her to bring the pony back, maybe do walk/trot/walk transitions and get her listening before proceeding with the rest of the test. I appreciate she will lose marks but at the moment it's not about the scores anyway, it's just trying to break this habit of pony taking over during a test. Would she need to speak to the judge beforehand and/or enter H/C?
 
It sounds as if it is going down the centre line that starts her off rather than doing the test itself if she does the same at home, it could be the tighter turn that she finds a bit difficult or going on a true straight line so plenty of exercises on both so she does not anticipate starting a test and a turn at A becomes part of everyday schooling.
Riding a 1/2 10m circle at either end of the school as if going down the centre line then continuing to B or E is good to prevent the rushing lots of work on the 3/4 lines to help with straightness, riding onto the centre line then leg yielding will all help mix it up so she does not always think she is starting to go through a test, the rest of most schooling sessions is really a mix of movements that will be used in prelim or novice tests so I do not see that practising test movements is anything different to normal so would slightly question what is happening in the lessons, most of my lessons will be working on the movements required in tests with specific parts worked on as needed to improve any weak areas such as centre lines or transitions at certain places.
 
I'm probably not going to be great at explaining this as it's not me that's riding (maybe my daughter could respond this evening), but in their lessons they already do what you suggest as the key seems to be getting the pony working the movements without allowing her to anticipate. So, for example, they might want to work on medium trot across the diagonal but will ask for a 10m circle on the turn so that the pony isn't taking over. Or they will ask for a halt and reinback at the marker before she is anticipating canter.

During their lessons they work on suppleness, lots of stretching, leg yield, shoulder in. Canter is pony's weakest pace, so lots to get her working from behind; collecting, extending.

I'm not sure it is a the tightness of the turn at A that is triggering it, as they do work on the centre line and the 3/4 line. But in schooling, if the pony starts anticipating it is easy to correct by asking her to do something she isn't expecting. And that is the difference between schooling and riding a test.

It's as if the minute she realises it's a dressage test, the pony goes into test mode, thinks she knows what is coming, switches off to my daughter and takes over! So she will walk, trot, canter, turn in all the right places but because my daughter cant use any leg (otherwise she'll just go even faster) she cant get the bend, balance and suppleness that she should be getting.
 
If every time the rider feels she is going to anticipate she distracts by asking for something different she is avoiding one potential issue but to a certain extent creating another, try the opposite by riding through each movement, using lots of transitions within the pace as well as downwards, several times until she is waiting or getting bored and actually listening and accepting the leg,
It may be that they really need to move on from prelim tests if working at elem level at home try doing a harder novice and easy elem to make more use of what the pony can do, it may mean a few sacrifice tests to get them started well but the more difficult movements may enable your daughter to keep her more switched on.
Turning onto the centre line in walk then picking up trot may be a way to start in a more relaxed frame of mind, yes a few marks may be deducted but if the rest of the test is better it does not matter, going HC would also be worth trying so your daughter feels she can ride how she wants to rather than aiming to please the judge.
 
Thank you. I think you are right in that there isn't enough happening in the prelims to occupy the pony. I do think going HC on Sunday may be the way to go, I will speak to my daughter tonight and I'll get her to read your suggestions. Such a frustrating little pony as she really has the ability to do a lovely test, if only she'd listen!
 
If you have already entered you might as well just ride this one out.

In the warm up though get her to ride off the track and practise centre lines all the time- hopefully this will help settle the pony before you go in. Even ride the test in the warm up and try get the "buzz" out the way first!

At home although my horse also "learns" the tests, I find riding tests as I warm up just entirely in trot is a good way to A learn the floor plan and B stops them over thinking it.
 
I would suspect that your daughter might be getting a bit tense when she knows she is riding a test, and pony is picking this up resulting in the rushing etc. Although your daughter might not feel that she is tense, and she isn't necessarily gripping with her legs or pulling with her hands, she could be getting a bit nervous resulting in really subtle changes - is she maybe holding her breath slightly or just tightening her hips? I have the same problem, as soon as I ride a test whether it be at home or at a show I tighten a little and it doesn't go so well, I find it is partly because I am concentrating on riding the test rather than my horse. I think not running through the tests at home makes the problem worse, as then you aren't used to riding a whole test. I think she needs to get to a point where she can still ride the horse whilst riding the test and to do that it probably means lots of test riding practice at home whilst still concentrating on riding as she does otherwise and feeling what the pony is doing and responding to that. Like you say, normally at home she can pop in a circle etc. if she feels the pony taking over, but in a test you can't do that - so she needs to learn what she can do in those situations when she must still do the next movement in the test. It's difficult because you say your daughter doesn't think she is tense, and probably she doesn't FEEL tense, however maybe she is mentally nervous about riding the test, or maybe it is just that her concentration is going on the test and not the pony. It also helps to know the test really well, so that you aren't worrying about what is coming next, because it is already ingrained.

On the plus side, if her pony is picking up on this even if she doesn't feel very tense then it seems like the pony is very sensitive, which as she progresses she will find very useful when it comes to refining her aids down the line! Also she sounds intelligent, which means she will learn things quickly.

It might be worth looking at NLP for riders and the techniques for helping with test riding, for example mental rehearsal - there are lots of good books out there. Also, it might be good to ride lots of tests at home - not just learning a specific test in the run-up to a show, but just pick a different test each time she rides and run through it to get her used to test riding. Test riding in itself is a skill that is additional to riding your pony well at any other time! You could also look at taking her to some test riding clinics, there are lots run by BD or riding clubs that are specific to focus on riding a test, so you go and do your test then you get feedback on it - this might also help. Have a look on the regional pages of the BD website for what is on in your area.
 
I have a very similar beast. I love how forward he is but when tense he fixes onto the contact and I have to release the rein to prevent a tug of war. I find flexion and counter flexion really helps, which you can do in a test if you need to.
 
I agree with be positive about doing harder / busier tests. J scores on the high 60's in Novice tests but out Eventing we get the equivalent of low 60's as the test are basically Prelim level and she has time to think about evasions. Stepping up level means the movements come up quicker and so less time for clever horses to hatch an 'escape plan'

As for the weekend change the entry to HC (so your daughter doesn't get elimated) and explain to the judge that you may throw in a few moves that aren't part of the test. Good luck :smile3:
 
Thanks everyone, some good ideas for them to work on, and good to know she's not the only one with the problem.

Fuzzy puff, before her lesson I did think it was pony picking up on daughters tension and show atmosphere. But as she did it in the lesson when she was previously working so nicely, I really don't think it is.

Today as an experiment, she warmed up and then turned down centre line at A and pony immediately switched to supercharged mode. So then she did several halts, circles, etc down centre line. Rode it again and same thing. Trotted round arena to c and turned down centre line. No tanking off! Turned at a, did a circle at e, pony still listening and being obedient.

So it's definitely something that triggers the response from turning at a. Obviously the pony can't read (actually she's such a know it all, she probably can!) but when they do practice a test at home it will always start with the turn at a.

Not holding out much hope for Sundays effort but hopefully in time we will find a way to overcome this excitement
 
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