'Oversized' Section D's - Yay or Nay

He's gorgeous
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As I said in OP , I don't like section D's ... so him not being 'true to type' isn't a problem
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I just wondered what they were like as hunters/WH

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The biggest sec d at International competitions last year was 15.2 and no it didnt win, but one 15.2 stallion did get placed.
My cob is who is nearly 15.2 is generally the bigger in his classes, yet for those saying lose pony look - the 2 piccies in my sigi are both sec d's i would say that the bay is true to type yet the chestnut is finer and not cobby at all yet she is only 14.2?? It all depends on bloodlines not necessarily the size - judges are definately going back to the old stamp and the newer sportier ponies generally dont get a look in.
Sec d's that are bred large can do amazingly well look at this site they breed large sec d's
http://www.maesmynachstud.co.uk/stallions.htm
 
I think the larger ones could make good hunters/WH. As I have decided not to have my cob show fat as I want him to last me for the rest of my riding life he is much slimmer and fitter. Last year we did some intro eventing and I am going to try and get to grips with my dressage this year so off with the feathers and plait up, so I might try some working hunter this year (local level!).
 
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If you don't want to do County standard showing then you will be fine. I show mine at local shows and as long as you don't mind one day being first and another last depending on the judge then you will have great fun. If you want a horse that can do anything you won't go far wrong with a Section D. Not sure about the one you are looking at but don't be put off with one that is 15.2, mine is

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Difference is, overgrownpony, that your horse is absolutely Gorgeous, and in a different league to the one in question.
 
I agree with twinkletoes that is a very nice larger D. I haven't actually seen a nice one in person!

I just think that my 14.2 with occasional welshatude one is plenty to handle!
 
Thank you Twinkletoes for your lovely comment. It is nice to hear that as I think he is lovely, not always straight forward but once you understand them and not dominate them then they will do anything for you.
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He might be a horse in height but has the brain of a pony!
 
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If you don't want to do County standard showing then you will be fine. I show mine at local shows and as long as you don't mind one day being first and another last depending on the judge then you will have great fun. If you want a horse that can do anything you won't go far wrong with a Section D. Not sure about the one you are looking at but don't be put off with one that is 15.2, mine is

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Difference is, overgrownpony, that your horse is absolutely Gorgeous, and in a different league to the one in question.

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We should do pairs apart from the white they are the same size and of the same substance!!
 
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I phrased the 'low maintenance' wrong - it should really read - not-so-accident-prone-than-my-stupid-ISH-that-is-currently-baffling-the-vets
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I don't want to show , I find it too boring sorry
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Just want something I can do RC WH/SJ/ODE etc until the cripple is back up and running , and something to bring on over the summer
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LOL
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Go and have a look if you like him
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The "no upper height limit" on Sec D's is absolutely ridiculous.

As others have said, once they are over 15.2 they don't even look like Welsh Cobs, losing the pony sized head and the movement of a "proper" sized 14.2.

It beats me how anyone can judge over-sized cobs against "normal" sized ones in the same class.

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I agree. I met my lad's breeder a couple of years ago and he won't breed from a mare bigger than 14.3hh or use a stallion over 15hh. He keeps a decent proportion of the fillies he breeds as long as they are typey but sells anything bigger than 15hh because he doesn't think they retain the pony characteristics.

I don't really get this thing for breeding oversized Welshies as "sports horses" (I can think of a particular stud now...)
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If you want a sports horse then buy one. Breed a nice IDxTB or WelshxTB, don't keep encouraging them to breed huge Welshies.... Sorry, I will get off my soapbox now
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he horse in the Ad is just 4. Welsh D's do not stop growing until 6 or 7 so this one will almost certainly fill out quite a bit, giving him more of the welsh cob look.
 
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he horse in the Ad is just 4. Welsh D's do not stop growing until 6 or 7 so this one will almost certainly fill out quite a bit, giving him more of the welsh cob look.

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with a head as big as that he will never look like a welsh cob to me!!
 
that's the most unWelsh head i've ever seen on a registered Welsh!! i have 2 welshies at 15.1hh and 15.2hh and i dont mind the bigger ones if they still look Welshie, but that one doesn't!
 
I don't like that D's hindleg conformation - too straight for my liking.

I also like a good D to have a really strong hock and 2nd thigh for the power, and sloping shoulders which give a less choppy ride.

I've seen some really nice typey D's upto 15.2hh but the bigger ones tend you lose their Welsh shape.


Why do you need a taller one?
 
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I don't like that D's hindleg conformation - too straight for my liking.

I also like a good D to have a really strong hock and 2nd thigh for the power, and sloping shoulders which give a less choppy ride.

Why do you need a taller one?

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I did think it was very straight in its hind leg but thought it could be pictures, also welshies shouldnt have slopping shoulders for a less choppy action - the idea of them being the best ride and drive animal in the world is just down to that, they have a very impressive active trot suitable for showing in its own class and driving!
 
I don't have a problem with the size as such - Sec D's and their crosses do make very good all-rounders and they should be promoted as such with a view to bringing such a capable and flexible breed into the limelight.

My point is, that over a certain height (which I personally feel should be 15hh), they should not be eligible to be registered and shown in the same classes as normal height Sec D's.

As an example, the New Forest stud book does not allow over-height animals - they are registered under their "X" section, so even though the parents can be fully registered, if the foal goes over height, it will not be eligible to compete as a NF in an M&M class. They also recommend that overheight animals should not be bred from, and as such, even if an X section animal throws a normal sized foal, the foal will still have to be x registered, so not eligible to compete in regsitered NF classes.

This is something that the WPCS should be looking at. This is a breed that needs protecting in it's pure form.
 
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