Oy, you with the arthritic mare ......

NativePonyLover said:
I've not seen anyone say that?

I agree that if the mare is as bad as the OP says it is they both need professional help - either to advise on further treatment/management or putting to sleep. I don't think anyone is questioning that.

I've never seen the mare & never met the OP - so I've got no idea on the reality of the situation.

What I don't agree with, is an unpleasant post on an internet forum, that quite frankly the owner may not even see, is the best way to get the most appropriate help for this horse & owner - which the OP has stated, was her primary reason for posting this in the first place.

That for me, is the questionable part.

I very much hope this mare & owner are given the help & support they need by the appropriate authority.
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I refer to you back to the beginning of the thread .
Would I have have posted this no would I ring the RSPCA yes I would and did earlier in the summer in very similar circumstances.
 
Bit harsh OP, but justified IMO. Maybe you ought to have worded things more gently, but at least this approach gets the point across and it sounds like circumstances call for that, so yeah, fair play. Hope the owners read it and don't react with self pity at being "attacked" and just swallow the point and take some action.
 
cptrayes said:
I disagree with you. This horse is now definitely a welfare case, she is bearing very little weight on one front leg and the knee is so big with arthritis I can see that it has increased in size again when I am passing in a car fifty yards away. She has already been unable to completely straighten her front legs for two years.

The owner is not the only person who has the right to say that this horse should be put out of her pain, and I'll be trying to find someone on Monday to go and tell them so.
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I have found that Redwings are very good at educating owners into changing their ways for the better.

It certainly sounds like welfare case to me and I can see no evidence in anything OP has posted that the owner is 'caring' for the horse.

ETA, having read the whole thread - aren't some people strange?
 
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zigzag said:
The OP is great at giving advice and getting on her high horse on what people should and shouldn't do, but doesn't take advice on the care of her horses ... even when several people state what they would do, but she knows best...
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Name me one instance where I have failed to take the advice of people on the internet about the care of my horses when I was not supported in that decision by a veterinary surgeon.
 
I can understand where you're coming from OP; a while ago I posted on here about some horses locally that I and other horsey and non-horsey people alike, were concerned for, and I was shot down in flames.

So often owners are either blissfully ignorant of the true reality of their horse's condition and/or fail to notice something that a stranger can see straightaway. Sometimes dealing with a situation every day can blind an owner to seeing the true picture. Which probably sounds like what is happening in this case. Its probably the case that the mare has got old and deteriorated, and they just don't want to face facts. I'm being hopeful that this is the case, rather than genuine neglect - but whatever, if you don't know the owners personally, and don't know anyone else who does (and the owner would probably NOT be receptive in any case) then all you can do really is to notify someone like WHW.

An awful situation. Unfortunately OP not everyone cares for their horses like you and I would wish to do; and all too often there is a sentimentality that says the horse must be kept alive as long as possible because the owners don't have what it takes to make a decision and relieve the suffering of the poor animal. I fear this is just such a case, but whatever, if it is reported to them, WHW should hopefully be able to at least investigate and give appropriate advice to the owner.
 
Mongoose11 said:
Completely agree that an authority should be notified but to lord it up on here is pointless and attention seeking.

This thread hasn't brought the mare any attention, just the OP.

OP have you taken the APPROPRIATE action?
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Whw' s phone line is not open until Monday, as I have already stated.

Can you please explain what you mean by the expression 'lord it up'? And how my posts do that any more than your own do? And why, if you consider my thread to be attention seeking, you have chosen to give me the very attention that you think I seek?
 
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IMO this is not the place to air views of such a sensitive matter. Opinions are sometimes best kept to ones self, or maybe a quiet word with the owners should be the first port of call?
 
julie111 said:
IMO this is not the place to air views of such a sensitive matter. Opinions are sometimes best kept to ones self, or maybe a quiet word with the owners should be the first port of call?
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And by posting this Julie, you have brought even more attention to a thread you do not think should have been posted. Can't quite see your logic there.
 
julie111 said:
Just suggesting you might think next time before posting something like this :)
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No, sorry, I'm happy with what I did, as are many other people, some of whom have posted just as you have done. I understand that you don't like it, but there's plenty posted on this forum that I don't like, it's just part of forum life.
 
The post has been posted and could have been done with a lot more tact-but what we all need to do is help the poor horse and stop these bitchy comments!
 
CPTrayes, I agree with you 100%. I do think this could have been handled more sensitively though :/ It is a subject that needs addressing, that's true, but the phrasing could be more tactful. I'm also really not sure about singling someone out and posting the location of their animal online. I can understand it's emotive and something you feel strongly about, I do too, but I'd have contacted the relevant people first (owner, imho) and then posted a more generalised topic, without singling out an individual.
 
hihosilver said:
The post has been posted and could have been done with a lot more tact-but what we all need to do is help the poor horse and stop these bitchy comments!
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TBH nothing we do or say here has any bearing on the matter .
OP should report the situation to whichever charity she chooses if that is what she wishes to do.
When I reported an old horse struggling earlier in the summer the RSPCA attended within six hours made the owner call the her own vet and checked up the horse was being medicated later in the week .
The RSPCA rang me three times over the few days I have to say I was impressed.
 
Wagtail said:
We have threads on here complaining about YOs and other liveries, about how badly others keep their horses, badly behaving sharers, people who let their horses get too thin or too fat... the list is never ending. Nothing is said criticising the OPs. I rather think the people attacking the OP in this thread must have personal axes to grind. i.e. for some reason or another, they don't like the OP. I never understand this behaviour on forums. The way people bear grudges just because they may have had a disagreement in the past. A forum is a forum, and the subject of horses is bound to cause disagreements on various issues, but to comment on a thread motivated more by not liking/liking the OP rather than the subject matter itself is just strange, but sadly all too common. Of course there are also people who just like to criticise how other choose to use the forum, the self appointed moderators and other strange behaviours.
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I agree. This happens a lot.
 
Goldenstar said:
TBH nothing we do or say here has any bearing on the matter .
OP should report the situation to whichever charity she chooses if that is what she wishes to do.
When I reported an old horse struggling earlier in the summer the RSPCA attended within six hours made the owner call the her own vet and checked up the horse was being medicated later in the week .
The RSPCA rang me three times over the few days I have to say I was impressed.
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I must say I agree I reported a horse left in a field that was very thin and starving. People had told livery owners but all they said was that owner was in hospital with a heart attack. I phoned the RSPCA not expecting a response but they came and horse was moved so someone could look after it until owner was better. I was glad I phoned.
 
cptrayes said:
Whw' s phone line is not open until Monday, as I have already stated.

Can you please explain what you mean by the expression 'lord it up'? And how my posts do that any more than your own do? And why, if you consider my thread to be attention seeking, you have chosen to give me the very attention that you think I seek?
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I think the manner in which you posted was arrogant. It has a nasty tone, but then.....

Never mind. I really must find the UI button but sometimes I like to poke sticks through the bars of your cage *rolls eyes*. The energy with which you continually battle your original stance is mind blowing and I don't mean this thread.

Are you ever a happy chappy? Maybe you should jump on that little cob of yours and lighten up? After you've called the WHW first thing in the morning, of course.
 
Mongoose11 said:
I think the manner in which you posted was arrogant. It has a nasty tone, but then.....

Never mind. I really must find the UI button but sometimes I like to poke sticks through the bars of your cage *rolls eyes*. The energy with which you continually battle your original stance is mind blowing and I don't mean this thread.

Are you ever a happy chappy? Maybe you should jump on that little cob of yours and lighten up? After you've called the WHW first thing in the morning, of course.
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I think this post says more about you than me.
 
While I'm here I'd just like to thank all the people who are pming me with support saying that they don't dare post because they fear they will get attacked if they do, but agree with what I have done. Thanks guys :)
 
cptrayes said:
While I'm here I'd just like to thank all the people who are pming me with support saying that they don't dare post because they fear they will get attacked if they do, but agree with what I have done. Thanks guys :)

Just looked back over this thread and I can't find a single instance where someone has posted in support of you and them been challenged by those opposed to you, let alone attacked for it, so why would anyone feel to afraid to openly post and resort to singing your praises behind the scenes via pm I wonder.
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ribbons said:
Just looked back over this thread and I can't find a single instance where someone has posted in support of you and them been challenged by those opposed to you, let alone attacked for it, so why would anyone feel to afraid to openly post and resort to singing your praises behind the scenes via pm I wonder.
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Well they tell me it is because of posts like those by Mongoose above, highly personal attacks that are nothing to do with the discussion that they don't want to risk by being seen to openly support me. They haven't sung my praises at all, they have simply said that their personal view is that I was right to post.
 
cptrayes said:
I think this post says more about you than me.
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Right-oh

cptrayes said:
While I'm here I'd just like to thank all the people who are pming me with support saying that they don't dare post because they fear they will get attacked if they do, but agree with what I have done. Thanks guys :)
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Ahhhhh, the countless PMs of support. Nice one 😉 nobody is attacking anyone and there have been many that have said they agree with you on here. I wonder if a new member will join who just happens to be the mare's owner. No doubt she'll be thanking you for changing her life and helping her to see the light!
 
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The energy with which you continually battle your original stance is mind blowing and I don't mean this thread.

I know exactly what you mean mongoose, the determination is incredible.
 
Well I have PM'd myself to tell myself I am right as I can be a bit insecure and enjoy receiving messages of support....removes tongue from cheek.
 
cptrayes said:
Well they tell me it is because of posts like those by Mongoose, personal attacks that they don't want to risk by being seen to openly support me. They haven't sung my praises at all, they have simply said that their personal view is that I was right to post.
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You love the phrase 'personal attack'. You're always using it. You used it when my Ipad did a funny autocorrect with your name. Now me wondering if you are ever happy and suggesting that I found your post arrogant is a 'highly personal attack'.

Get a grip woman.

Jog on.
 
Mongoose11 said:
Right-oh



Ahhhhh, the countless PMs of support. Nice one 😉 nobody is attacking anyone and there have been many that have said they agree with you on here. I wonder if a new member will join who just happens to be the mare's owner. No doubt she'll be thanking you for changing her life and helping her to see the light!
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Don't be daft, they'll do it by pm.
 
I'm with you on this one CPT - there's a farm near me that has had two WHW visits yet still the horses are extremely poor. They look like elderly horses coming out of a bad winter, not healthy young horses in the middle of summer. They have deemed that they are not poor enough to intervene but heaven knows what state they will be in winter :( I've even tried reporting them for the ragwort as they are not preventing its spread to my grazing/hay fields. Anything to try and improve the horses lives - but how much do they need to suffer before they get help? And this is a rescue :(
 
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