Pain in the butt livery!!

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Has anyone got any stories about how they have dealt with another livery on the yard who upsets everyone? we have one who is a total nightmare!
 
Hi, I have had my livery yard for 5 years now and in that time I have asked 4 people to leave mainly because they unpset the others on the yard. I have about 10 liveries and we all get on great so one trouble maker is not worth the hassel. It's not nice but as a YO it is your job!
I have sleepless nights about it but it is so worth it after they have left and everyone is happy again. Good luck :)
 
If its your own yard i would ask them to leave.

In my case the nightmare livery was so far up the YO backside - a YO who wasnt interested in the yard, just the money it made that i left.

Get rid before your liveries feel the same as i did and move.
 
My last yard ended up closing down because the YO didn't deal with problem liveries and it got to the stage where the sane folk moved out and only the nutters were left.
 
As a YO myself, i think i would take her to one side and explain how people are feeling, give her a while to remedy her situation, then if she does nothing about it, ask her to leave (giving written notice of course as outlined in contract - if you have one!). That way she can hardly blame you for 'unfair dismissal' and will hopefully (although i doubt it) stop her from bad mouthing you to everyone..good luck! Sometimes i do wonder why i dont just go back to being a livery lyself when things like this happen!!xx
 
We have a resident loony livery: she only comes in the middle of the night.

She gets all the horses up 'to make sure they're alive' and to feed them chewy mints, even though her dentist told her not to.

She feeds her horse in the field by taking a lunge whip and hitting other horses when they come to investigate.

She doesn't use a crib collar on her horse which has effectively ruined most of the posts in both fields.

She leaves her horse out 24/7 from March to November then stables it 24/7 from November to March and it is never exercised.

The YO could not care less, even tho I whinged about the whipping of other horses the other day.:mad:

Leaving very pointed notes helped eg stop removing the bailing twine from the ring/post near your stable-other people use it and it's safer to have twine than tie directly to the post. She's a fricking nightmare, frankly.
 
When I initially opened my yard I would bend over backwards to try and keep all the liveries happy, I then realised that while the majority of liveries were sane and lovely there is always a loony, and that loony can cause mayhem so quickly. They are the ones that feel rules apply to everyone - except them. The ones who decide to feed their horse in the field - when they live in a herd, the one who doesn;t believe in worming - despite their being a yard programme, the one who doesn't want to insure/vaccinate - again a yard rule that all horses have a passport, are vaccinated and have third party liability. Life is too hard as a yard owner to suffer the problems caused by these so I now work on the - break the rules, leave the yard. The rules are all for the benefit of the liveries and ensure the yard is well looked after, all the horses are safe and healthy and the owners are free to actually enjoy their hobby. Like it of leave. As a result we have a lovely friendly yard, no bitching as I won;t put up with it and no stealing.
 
thanks for all your comments :-)

sorry Im not actually the YO, i am a livery and its one of the other liveries who is upseting everyone and i mean EVERYONE! unfortunatly her horses stable is directly opposite mine. Her horse is extremely aggressive and Im quite scared of it, she ties him up outside her stable whether my horse is already there or not. For safetys sake i have had to move mine out of her way on numerous occassions as she seems to have no grasp on saftey around horses (strange considering she tells everyone she used to work as a groom?!) she come to the yard early b4 anyone else and allows her horse to roam freely without even a headcollar when all the others are in the stables (and this is a known biter we are talking about!!!! ....& i dont just mean a nipper!) i can not get into my stable when she is there as she ties him directly outside my stable so i have to basically stop what im doing and get out of her way....he lunges for me every evening as she ties him up loose so he can get his head around.......aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!! and if thats not bad enough she has already shouted at a couple of folk (shes prone to random outbursts) and she CONSTANTLY patronises me by telling me i have my horses back boots on the front etc when they are 2 pairs of the same boot!!!!??lol. this is her 1st horse and u would think she was an expert by the way she goes on?! LOL........shes already been asked to leave after she shouted and swore at someone but she reacted badly and burst into tears so the YO let her stay :-(. i am always polite and friendly to her and i find confrontation really difficult-I dont want to upset anyone but she is spoiling my enjoyment of my horse....what should i do?!





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elsazzo said:
thanks for all your comments :-)

sorry Im not actually the YO, i am a livery and its one of the other liveries who is upseting everyone and i mean EVERYONE! unfortunatly her horses stable is directly opposite mine. Her horse is extremely aggressive and Im quite scared of it, she ties him up outside her stable whether my horse is already there or not. For safetys sake i have had to move mine out of her way on numerous occassions as she seems to have no grasp on saftey around horses (strange considering she tells everyone she used to work as a groom?!) she come to the yard early b4 anyone else and allows her horse to roam freely without even a headcollar when all the others are in the stables (and this is a known biter we are talking about!!!! ....& i dont just mean a nipper!) i can not get into my stable when she is there as she ties him directly outside my stable so i have to basically stop what im doing and get out of her way....he lunges for me every evening as she ties him up loose so he can get his head around.......aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!! and if thats not bad enough she has already shouted at a couple of folk (shes prone to random outbursts) and she CONSTANTLY patronises me by telling me i have my horses back boots on the front etc when they are 2 pairs of the same boot!!!!??lol. this is her 1st horse and u would think she was an expert by the way she goes on?! LOL........shes already been asked to leave after she shouted and swore at someone but she reacted badly and burst into tears so the YO let her stay :-(. i am always polite and friendly to her and i find confrontation really difficult-I dont want to upset anyone but she is spoiling my enjoyment of my horse....what should i do?!





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If the YO isn't up to it, you only have 3 choices, put up with it, sort her out yourself, or leave.
 
You could ask the others to gang up and talk to her as a group saying none of you are happy about her allowing her horse to wander loose. Often people like her back down if faced out by more than one person.
The easiest way to cope on a yard is to smile sweetly when given unwanted advice but reply everyone has their own way of doing things and you prefer to be left alone to do yours your own way.
Ask her to use somewhere else for tying, saying he has bitten you or your horse..
Really this should be the YO responsibility, no one likes having to speak to a livery but sometimes there is no option.
I find asking someone politely to refrain from doing something and explaining why (ie please would you stop your dog crapping by the tap as I keep treading in it..) works ok. We have little hassle here and tolerate the odd slightly weird livery by just ignoring her.
I have in my time met them all, from the one who heard God telling her someone was hitting her horse so she rang the next door livery at 1 am to shout at her, to two liveries fighting over men on the floor.. Another fed her horse on nothing but scraps of fruit and veg from the throw outs of the local market, and another attacked me when I caught her pinching hay..
The secret is choose your liveries wisely I find, and as Boswell says, make a stand when you have to.
 
There's always one isn't there? Our current yard has a corker. An ABSOLUTE corker. Still, she's basically harmless and is the source of great amusement if you can bare to ignore most of what she says and not take things to heart. I'm not a confrontational kind of person so she's content leaving me alone for the most part, but I overhear her comments to some of the other liveries/YO and they are toe-curling. She's very demanding, her horses are beautiful but nutcases and I'm sure she has several screws missing. But hey, it takes all sorts and how dull it would be if everyone was the same? My previous yard had a real devil woman and thank goodness she was shown the door. I'm sure the horse world has more than its fair share of fruitloops - unless anyone can prove otherwise! :rolleyes:
 
unfortuanatly if yo wont do anything and its an atmosphere you should leave tbh, i do ont recommend cornering/bulling people they can retaliate in unfortunate ways .I know how you feel one at my yard is causing massive issues :( im leaving everything from smoking in the barns with horses in to allsorts three have already left all good adult liveries and y/o dosnt want to know your lucky to see her once a week and when there is trouble she goes on meetings and holidays !
 
Loony demonstrative loud bitchy livery? Have a word with YO as a group (united we stand, divided we fall), if YO does nowt and it continues, then leave.
Bear in mind, YO will do what's best for themselves, FAIR OR UNFAIR, YO might prefer the "up the backside" loony livery for other reasons, eg., their horse lives on fresh air, leaving room for another paying livery and is always civil in their company. Cynical? moi?:D

Unless you own your own land, life sucks sometimes!!
 
elsazzo said:
Has anyone got any stories about how they have dealt with another livery on the yard who upsets everyone? we have one who is a total nightmare!
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Yep...its written in the contract :D they get 3 strikes and they are out,unless it is VERY serious then they are given a week to find somewhere and go(as nice as it would be to tell them to leave there and then it isnt practical,and not fair on the horse)!We pride ourselves on a happy yard and biatching and backbiting will not be tolerated!Women are women and a little moaning about each other goes over ya head but,when it starts upsetting people they are dealt with!
 
Said agressive horse sounds like mine :p although mine doesnt lunge at people but is a know biter to. There are people who are scared cr*pless of him and wont even walk past his stable but i will move him back if someones comes along and wound never tie him up so as hes in someones way thats just rude!! There was once this girl who moved to our yard and would only muck her stable out twice a week (pony was in 24/7)and when she didnt come up left it to starve all day, me and a friend felt sorry for it so we fed it. Theres another girl at the yard now who wont come up sometimes to feed and muck out her horse and then just dumps it in the field for weeks until she reappears!!!
 
i have a livery yard, and we accommodate all horses and owners, but they do have to abide to the basic yard rules! basically if you would like to reside here you WILL be nice to others, your horse WILL be polite to others. you might have to apologise if your horse is vulgar,but we can accommodate you if you are NICE and POLITE. Aggressive horses are not usually a problem unless accompanied by aggressive owners.. All liveries are given a legally binding contract on the day they come,and rules etiquette are explained.
 
Allowing your horse to wander around like that especially with the the temperment of the one you describe is dangerous.

I would get all the other liveries together and either nominate a "spokesperson" of all of you go and see the YO as a group.

It's the YO's responsibility to deal with this.
 
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