Panacur 5 day or not?!

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I normally worm count year round and then worm for tape in October with Equest Pramox which has always worked for us, I was aiming to do the same this year but the horse my horse shares her field with has come back with quite a high worm count. I had been meaning to worm count my mare but she wont stay in long enough without kicking off for me to get a sample so I have had no choice but not to get one.
I have held out for a few weeks on the go ahead of the yard owner as I don't like worming for tape too early and normally go by the first frost so I didn't want to worm and then worm again 4 weeks later. I was thinking of maybe doing a Panacur 5 day purely due to her field mate having a high count.

Does anybody know if this covers tape? And any thoughts on using this?
 
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I am just on the phone to the vets to see what they advise, just want to give her the most effective one due to her field mate having a slightly high count is all
 
Take in to account that worm counts will not detect emerging encysted small red worms. You need to worm for these as well in November/December.
 
Just spoken to the vet and they have advised for me to worm with Pramox at first frost to get rid of any nasties and cover for tape etc and count the rest of the year - so what I would normally do!
Thanks for the replies
 
As mentioned above it doesn't sound like your current regime covers encysted redworm, which is what you need to worm for in December time.

panacur 5 day isn't often recommended now as there is lots of resistance. One of mine has come back with a high count for redworm (also regularly counted but was unwell a couple of months ago so likely stemmed for her being a bit knocked for six) and I am worming with equimax which covers tape and the redworms.
 
samlf said:
As mentioned above it doesn't sound like your current regime covers encysted redworm, which is what you need to worm for in December time.

panacur 5 day isn't often recommended now as there is lots of resistance. One of mine has come back with a high count for redworm (also regularly counted but was unwell a couple of months ago so likely stemmed for her being a bit knocked for six) and I am worming with equimax which covers tape and the redworms.
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Pramox does encysted redworm.

I would make sure all horses sharing the field get done with the same product and at the same time, if you are not working together with your worming regime it will be less efeective.
 
Couple of comments: Just because another horse in the field has a high count doesn't mean yours is at greater risk (unless the other horse routinely has a low/no count and comes back suddenly with a high count). My horse always has a "no eggs seen" count, but I took on an old mare who'd routinely bounce back up to a medium-high count after 3-4 months and needed treating. Same field, same routine. The old mare simply had a less efficient immune system. I think the statistics say that 20% of horses carry 80% of the worm burden.
I always get my poo samples while out hacking. My horse lives out 24/7 in a group, and it is close to impossible to catch him producing the goods otherwise! But he'll usually poo during a long-ish hack, so I take the sample kit and hop off as and when. Maybe that could work for you next time you need a sample (or go for a walk if not ridden).
Panacur 5 day does encysted worms. But I'd only use it together with worm counts to make sure you're not suffering from resistance. E.g. if you had a horse with a high count, treat it with 5 day Panacur, then do another count (reduction count) to see if the count has dropped by 90% (which means the chemical was efficient). I would not use it "blind" on a horse with unknown worm burden. Also, considering the cost, a single dose Equest is usually cheaper, unless there are special reasons for avoiding Equest.
 
As above, Pramox does cover encysted Redworm.

Thanks be positive - we are on the same regime but obviously with her having flashed up on the count that my mare missed she has been treated and will be re-treated again in October for tape. The count of the other horse was 600 so not overly high, and the vet has said I should be fine to wait a few weeks for the frost so that I don't do her too early for tape.
 
supsup said:
Couple of comments: Just because another horse in the field has a high count doesn't mean yours is at greater risk (unless the other horse routinely has a low/no count and comes back suddenly with a high count). My horse always has a "no eggs seen" count, but I took on an old mare who'd routinely bounce back up to a medium-high count after 3-4 months and needed treating. Same field, same routine. The old mare simply had a less efficient immune system. I think the statistics say that 20% of horses carry 80% of the worm burden.
I always get my poo samples while out hacking. My horse lives out 24/7 in a group, and it is close to impossible to catch him producing the goods otherwise! But he'll usually poo during a long-ish hack, so I take the sample kit and hop off as and when. Maybe that could work for you next time you need a sample (or go for a walk if not ridden).
Panacur 5 day does encysted worms. But I'd only use it together with worm counts to make sure you're not suffering from resistance. E.g. if you had a horse with a high count, treat it with 5 day Panacur, then do another count (reduction count) to see if the count has dropped by 90% (which means the chemical was efficient). I would not use it "blind" on a horse with unknown worm burden. Also, considering the cost, a single dose Equest is usually cheaper, unless there are special reasons for avoiding Equest.
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Thanks supsup - my mare has always had clear counts, except for 1 last year when she had a count of 200 but this was due to her recently having had a virus and generally being run down we think. The vet has advised that maybe when we do our summer counts that we both take from a few different fresh piles in the field as there are only those 2 in there so if one has a slight burden we will know about it and be able to treat for it.
 
be positive said:
Pramox does encysted redworm.

I would make sure all horses sharing the field get done with the same product and at the same time, if you are not working together with your worming regime it will be less efeective.
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Yes but unless I have misunderstood the OP is using the pramox at the wrong time of year (September/October) to be effective against encysted redworm therefore would also need to worm in December for that.
 
samlf said:
Yes but unless I have misunderstood the OP is using the pramox at the wrong time of year (September/October) to be effective against encysted redworm therefore would also need to worm in December for that.
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I dont think this is correct. My vets and Westgate labs have advised to wormcount year round and worm once a year in October with Pramox to cover everything?
 
0310Star said:
I dont think this is correct. My vets and Westgate labs have advised to wormcount year round and worm once a year in October with Pramox to cover everything?
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I think Westgate would now advise you to test for tapeworm twice a year rather than worm routinely. Winter is the best time to worm for encysted redworm - October is a bit early.

p.s. Panacur 5-day doesn't cover tapeworm.
 
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pansymouse said:
We've just tested our two; mine had a zero count and her field mate had over 2000 - we only warmed the one that needed it.
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WORM! is my advice. We have a horse who with a zero worm count who recently suffrered from spasmodic colic for a WEEK, all bloods normal, worm count zero. The Vet thought migratory worms were a possibility, told us to give a course of Guard followed by a Pramox on day 6. He was then fine - worms or not we'll never know! But we had a new livery move on last week who did not want to worm as her horse had just had a zero worm count. We insisted she wormed and I have NEVER seen a horse pass so many redworms in my life.

No more relying on worm counts for us!
 
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