Parelli????Can i ask???

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What is the idea of poking them with a stick and hitting them in the face with a stick with a flag on the end???Only asking as i am watching a "masterclass in parelli"
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and i cant grasp the concept,(especially bouncing a big rubber ball over their heads??we deal with combines in day to day life not big rubber balls bouncing down the road??)when my lad was backed he understood everything traditional,ie:lunging,backing etc???Am i missing something or is this a game i have yet to entertain???
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From what i have seen!!!I realise this may cause arguments(not my intention,just trying to get my head round it!!!not happening!!)
 
in my experience parrelli people seem to be too scared to actually ride the horse so bouncing a rubber ball round it's head is the next best thing
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Its the guy with the dodgy handlebar moustache that gives me the creeps...don't know about the effect he has on the horses!!
 
Although I have a friend of years ago who took up parelli and became well able to ride her horse xc bareback (she went to the states and visited all the people) and was VERY impressive working her horses, this was 10 years ago. I have more recently found the 'scared to ride club' taking up parelli as when encountering any difficulty, they give up riding and decide they should play games instead. Fine if that's how you enjoy spending time with your horses. Over marketed nonsense to many of us.

And I have issues with some barefoot trimming experts but don't get me started on that bunch!!!!

And never mind the 'we'll just lunge today (AGAIN) crew'... am I intolerant I wonder or just livery yarded out?!
 
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Thankyou!!!Thought it was just me!!!Bizarre aint it!!!Think it strange as i have never had a problem with a dumb horse,they have all understood everything i have asked them to do???
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I don't know anything about parelli but I thought it was more about teaching good ground manners - can't see myself doing that with a space hopper bouncing it off the horses head!!!! I guess its horses for courses. If you don't enjoy riding but do enjoy groundwork who am I to say that's wrong if horse and rider are happy. Am quite intregued now though! My farrier did comment that a lot of the parelli trained horse are difficult to shoe/trim as they are very fidgety and won't stand still.
 
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Over marketed nonsense to many of us.

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Actually, I'd call it expensive common sense.

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LOL!!!Common sense??how nice is it to here that,COMMON SENSE,yep said it again,lol,90% of looking after our horses is common sense!!!
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sorry but the ball IS Nonsense - I agree some of it is common sense but... the ball....???!

Unless over your way there are a (collective noun?) of balls dropping all over the place. I'm just glad we can cope with inflatable santas all over the place.

(don't remind me of the time I ran round my field singing and flying kites after a particularly interesting hack)
 
It has nothing to do with balls falling out of the sky, it is to do with trust. You're missing the point.

Oh and....I don't use Parelli and never have done...
 
I agree I went to that show and was bowled over.It is about getting your horse to trust you on the ground first and to show people how to handle horses properly with kindness.Luckily most of the people I know or even on this forum genuinely love horses and try to understand and school with kindness but there are alot of people who bully and are fearfull. I believe these are the people he s trying to reach out to.I have a friend whose horse was terrified of anything she asked him to do after 10 weeks of using his methods he is a different animal .No rearing bucking or running away she still has a long way to go but the improvement is immense.I have used some of his methods and they do help with mistrusting horses .The ball just represents the amount of trust that they have for you I dont think any of us are likely to run into one on our hacks .I would love to be able to ride a horse bitless or bridless but I have a bit of a extrovert on my hands safety comes first but parelli has really helped him trust me inhand.The trouble is they are not showing the whole show only clips stick with it and see the rest you might all change your mind.I was a real sceptic!!!!!
 
I think people shouldn't slag it off outright. I think bits should be taken from it and others not, just as we all do with all training - we use what works for us.

I have watched the odd Parelli thing on TV and TBH it's not for me. However, I still prefer the direction its going in rather than some training methods which simply involve beating the horse into submission.

Why slag off those who use it? Who says people HAVE to ride to be respected? It's ignorant to slag off others who don't happen to share the same ideas...
 
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mmmm I've noticed this as well.....

Always remember an old livery who practised parelli.... in the summer she would park trailer in paddock and sit on the wheel arch and send horse in and out, in and out, in and out, I'd go past on a hack and come back and hour later and said horse was still going in, then out.... then one afternoon, said horse bolted across field..... she said it was being naughty..... errrr NO, the horse was trying to tell her that after three hours of going in and out the trailer it had bloody had enough!!!!

No wonder the poor animal had issues!
 
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Does that include David and Karen O'Connor?
 
I see were you are coming from but the carrot stick is supposed to show them what direction to move.Horses move away from pressure with the proper use of the tool rather than leaning into which is the natural response , its not used for punishment but for direction .Unfortunately they are only showing clips if you saw the complete show it gives you a better understanding of how the horses mind works which is why he uses these methods.Yes you are right it is a game but to teach the horse to interact rather than shut down and to think rather than flee basically if he trust us he will do what we ask willingly.
The ball is just part of the game to build up trust not that I would ever think of using one but his methods do work.When my horse had time off for a injury I used his games because I wasnt allowed to ride.I had a happier horse who now trusts me in hand and doesnt run away every time he comes across something new .Its the same principle as desensitizing but with kindness.Try and watch the whole show or series there are alot of things that really make sense trouble is we dont all have 5 hours a day but 30 mins a day preferably in the summer make alot of difference with the right horse(wrong horse whatever the case)
 
I see the trust thing....I can trust my boy with my life,know him better than anyone,however...he is a twat to pull his mane,however i used patience,lol,god only knoes what would have happened with the bouncy ball,pmsl!!
What the hell is wrong with good old fashioned help for horses????I have had a fair few pass my way(underweight,problamatic,etc)!!Never strapped legs togethet etc,lol,they looked loads better weight wise after 2 months and good attitudes??WHY???Because i treat them as a horse???LOL, that is what they are is it not??
 
I heard the members of the French national equestrian teams had to attend natural horsemanship classes so there must be something in it. Here is a link to a thread - Parelli -didn't read all of it and not sure if anything ever came of it. Bouncing balls aside, I think for horses with ground handling probs it can do wonders, as with probs loading etc. As others have said its common sense. I think when bouncing balls etc are used it kind if just cheapens it a bit and makes it a bit of a laughing stock for some.
 
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If that is directed at me, then no it doesn't, because of the use of 'in my experience'. If they practice it and get good results then great. I was commenting on my experience, i.e experiences relevant to ME, which are entirely based on the stick poking, horse annoying, scared to sit on them brigade! You are welcome to come and see Parelli at it worst at most of the yards on my area!
 
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Then surely that is miss-use of Parelli.

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Exactly, but it is MY experience. Unfortunately people are often ignorant of basic principles of trust and respect between horse and keeper, and when these boundaries become blurred, they look for 'gimmicks' to fix their self created problems. They turn to Parelli as others have said it is well marketed and therefore an obvious choice, but they also fail to fully understand the reasons/principles of what they are doing. As with anything it is open to interpretation as well as misinterpretation.
 
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If that is directed at me, then no it doesn't, because of the use of 'in my experience'. If they practice it and get good results then great. I was commenting on my experience, i.e experiences relevant to ME, which are entirely based on the stick poking, horse annoying, scared to sit on them brigade! You are welcome to come and see Parelli at it worst at most of the yards on my area!

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If you read the original post it is not directed at anyone!!!!
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It is MY own disbelief in the bullshite!!!However as you all keep ramming down our necks"I AM ENTITLED TO MY OWN OPINION????"And my own opinion is,that....if you treat ya horse correctly in the first place(unless you bought a nutter????) there is no need to treat it any different!!HOWEVER i have had nutters and being treat like a horse was all they asked!!If i had thrown a big green ball at them they would have hadf kittens!!!
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I have a VERY good relationship with PF but if I bounced a rubber ball off her head, she'd bitch-slap me. And who could blame her? I don't need to do that to demonstrate her trust of me, or that I luuurve her...
I agree Parelli is expensive common sense. Great that you can purchase it if you have none of your own!
 
I do know a bit about the techniques BUT have encountered very many individuals who think this is the answer to every problem they encounter. IAnd then spend ages 'joining up' AKA chasing poor creature round a school n(which is htink is mixing up a bit of other stuff too isn't it?) . ENTIRELY agree that the only relevant bits are common sense but the 'carrot stick' is a cleverly marketed tool not a magic wand.

If any individual enjoys their horse through these techniques then absolutely fine by me - some people hug trees for fun too (sorry) and I think that is also fine.

Some of the 'converts' I know have tried to suggest it is the equipment that must be used to get the techniques to work. That is nonsense. Sorry if you disagree.
 
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Damn staight! But you have to hand it to the guy, he's making a hell of a lot of money on it! B*stard!
 
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I have a VERY good relationship with PF but if I bounced a rubber ball off her head, she'd bitch-slap me.

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, I would so like you to be on our yard! We love cats and pink, well I do anyway LOL !!!

My mare wouldn't be fazed by a big green ball, she would investigate it though ! I've never met a nosier girl than her LOL
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