Parelli haters read this for a chuckle...

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Out hacking today my friend and I came across a woman on a horse ahead of us on the bridleway - just stood there
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. She turned around and said something about her horse looking at some grass or something (i was behind and wasn't paying that much attention tbh). So we wait patiently and this horse clearly isn't going anywhere, she wasn't even kicking it on - and then it turned its head and i saw the headcoller thingy and long white ropes and though ugh oh!! So said horsey was clearly more interested in us behind it
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and kept trying to turn around, her rope things were like washing lines and she clearly had no control at all, and kept telling it what a good girlie it was and about 10 minutes later she finally got it going - que us going down the other branch of the track discussing how horrified she would have been had she seen me beating
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my mare over her tantrum about the tractor
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So we are on the way back of our loop, having done two thirds of it, and there she is again!! How it had taken her so long to get even that far I dont know....so we passed and it is veering unnervingly (sp) towards us to say hello (still washing lien style rope things - clearly not reins!) and then it just marches over to the verge and starts munching the grass - and she's just sat there going good girlie and not even kicking it on
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evidently, THAT is what has taken her so long - I wouldn't be surprised if she's still out there now
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Have I missed something in all the 22 odd years I've been riding - is that how you do it - dangly reins, talk alot and god forbid use your legs??
 
i'm with you! My first experience of 'The P that shall not be named' was a woman who completely untrained her wonderful school master in 6 months - even the blacksmiths wouldn't go near, due to listening a little too addictively to her heros.
Who wants to stand on there bl**dy horse anyway
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Oh god, that did make me laugh, We have one of those at our yard. Nice middle aged chap, decent wife, 2 nice kids and all that, bought a 7 yo racehorse straight off the track and now does paraelli with it, ride in full length leather chaps with tassels, cowboy hat & Aussie stock saddle
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can into the school a couple of nights ago whilst I was jumping, continued with my schooling anyway cantered pony into the jump he refused because i'd just moved some fillers in, fine let him have a look came back round & he refused again, so gave 1 hefty smack just to establish i was more of a threat than the filler cantered back round and happily popped it.
Was walking the ponio off when i had finished and bloke went to me, " I think that use of the whip was extremely uncalled for!"
Continued to tell me i should "desensitized" him to the fillers by rubbing him all over with them first. Obviously bearing in mind the practicalities of picking up a 2ft 9' wooden filler and rubbing the pony with it.
Kindly asked him if he would like to try!
 
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Don't know whats making me laught most, washing lines on a horses or a 2'9 filler!!! I'm afraid i'm a member of the 'what a load of b******s' cliche!
Oh and please don't over use that whip again
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mmmm, I'm really not into it but I have seen a small percentage of people who practice NH do a good job, but never the 'p' word I'm afraid
 
Know someone who thinks I'm evil for using a whip because its cruel but won't poo pick her 1/2 acre field because it isn't necessary...

Know which I think is more cruel...
 
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mmmm, I'm really not into it but I have seen a small percentage of people who practice NH do a good job, but never the 'p' word I'm afraid

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Thank you. Its not very often that people on this forum acknowledge that there are people who practice NH who do a good job. And make the distinction between P and NH too
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At the risk of starting yet another debate, I do wonder how that woman ended up praising her horse for grazing and not going very far rather than for walking on on a pleasant hack. Is it poorly handed down teaching? Complete misinterpretation of the teaching? Or do P&L Parelli actually teach that?
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Don't know whats making me laught most, washing lines on a horses or a 2'9 filler!!! I'm afraid i'm a member of the 'what a load of b******s' cliche!
Oh and please don't over use that whip again
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That made me laugh too and it would have been fine if she used a carrot stick
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I learnt at a riding school where the owner taught her own form of NH she thinks its cruel to rug a horse even if they are 30 years old and always live out (there is no proper shelter in the fields and horses are always ill) I have no problem with NH aslong as its done properly!
I was also at a yard where a lady had a P horse that used to go to the P camps and things every year when she was living in america....i have to say the mare was a cow and had loads of vices! I rode her a few times and found it very difficult to ride her, its not easy jumping lol. Is it just me or do all the riders use body blocks to tell a horse off?
 
I have no problem with it as long as it is done practically and properly. As I had had a slightly bad day anyway I wasn't really in the mood to be told what to do with my horse and how to ride it by a bloke in a cowboy hat!
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Went to a Demo of NH last night, those of over 40 who learnt to ride as kids, decided that this is what we were taught, back in the 'Black and White Days'. We were taught to ride without reins, using weight and legs, we were also taught to understand horse movement and reactions, and as for join up! The bloke was boasting that if he whitsled all his horses came to the gate, well yes, ours come if they hear the gate bolt, then all have to be shooed off if we only want to go and do the water or whatever. I am guessing it may be useful for those people who have learnt in the intervening years and have not been taught by 'old school' instructors, who knew horses inside out, but rather by AI's who have not always been rigoureslly (sp) tested.
 
Like everything there is good and bad to all things

Won't hear a word against rope halters though, they are my staple kit (pre-parelli and cost about £4 each from canda!). He does have a point about flat headcollars being useless.

However I would never hack in one, have occasionally jumped on a horse with one to get from A to B (sans saddle), but would never leave the premises!!!
 
Lol. Well I'm not one for the P word, but a lot of the NH stuff jumps out as common sense- rope headcollars are bound to have more umph than one which lays flat on a horse's face.
I don't dance around my horses waving those carrot wands or whatever, my mum is proper old shool and taught me well, give as much respect as you give back from the horse.
I pity these people who you describe, who wander around with those clothesline bridles- they are expensive, and as you have highlighted time consuming
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Parelli obviously saw some people coming!!
 
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Went to a Demo of NH last night, those of over 40 who learnt to ride as kids, decided that this is what we were taught, back in the 'Black and White Days'. We were taught to ride without reins, using weight and legs, we were also taught to understand horse movement and reactions, and as for join up!

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My wife learned to ride 40 years ago and completely agrees. As does our kids 60 plus instructor. All the coaching my kids get is about understanding the pony, working with them, and using the legs and weight to ride, not the reins. The emphasis is all on the pony and child being a team in harmony. 40 years ago my wife did a lot of riding with no reins, and now so my kids.
 
I'm not a fan of Parelli. But neither do I think beating a horse for having a "temper tantrum" about a tractor is particularly good horsemanship either. My main hate about Parelli is the excessive use of force to get the horse to do what the rider or handler wants it to do so that he or she is very robotic and fear driven.

On this occasion it seems that that is an unfair label.
 
Bad mood there ISH-Mad!?

it is just a business really, that is very happy to suck in the unknowlegable, because it is well packaged - you can buy everything you need to get the perfect horse in one box on their website!

Personally, my horse would get a couple of good wallops if she was being crappy about a tractor of anything else and wouldn't respond to the leg. If it gets the horse going, and doesn't leave welts your fine! Especially if she was out on a road etc etc.
 
The whole P thing is over-rated - it's a massive marketing machine and panders to those who think of their horses as oversized dogs rather than a large animal who can do you quite a lot of damage without too much effort!

We were at a yard a few weeks ago and they ALL do the P thing - scary
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Loved the bit about rubbing pony with filler though - classic!
 
Thanks Apalacia01 I'm glad I'm not the only one that isn't afraid to use my stick! In defense to ISH_Mad my comment said 'beating' because my friend and I both felt that that would have been what the woman thought had she seen me, when infact all I had given was 2 smacks with my schooling whip behind my leg (and didn't leave welts for what its worth) as she wouldn't go forward past a tractor she had already seen once!

According to my instructor today, I am more a pat and lump of sugar kind of rider, so I can't be that bad ISH!!
 
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Or do P&L Parelli actually teach that?


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Just because someone is out riding in a rope hackamore, that doesn't necessarily mean they have anything to do with Parelli. They might, they might not.
 
No but then no-one who knows anything about parelli would say it was either. Clearly what ever methods she were to chose to work with her horse would be equally ineffective as she hasn't got much of a clue.

What is your point?

Are you making a judgement on Parelli on this single sighting or have you a catalogue of these stories at your disposal?

Makes me laugh how some people on here get so much enjoyment out of Parelli bashing. Why has it got you so wound up?

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Have to say I don't treat my boy like an overgrown dog.

Don't tar everyone with the same brush.
What are your comments and opinions based on other than this one example mentioned above? have you actually tried it?

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Thanks Apalacia01 I'm glad I'm not the only one that isn't afraid to use my stick! In defense to ISH_Mad my comment said 'beating' because my friend and I both felt that that would have been what the woman thought had she seen me, when infact all I had given was 2 smacks with my schooling whip behind my leg (and didn't leave welts for what its worth) as she wouldn't go forward past a tractor she had already seen once!

According to my instructor today, I am more a pat and lump of sugar kind of rider, so I can't be that bad ISH!!

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Thanks for that alsxx, I obviously read far too much into the "beating" part of your thread! I really appreciate you taking the trouble to speak up for me after my earlier post, thank you.

Now did you know you should NEVER pat your horse or feed sugar lumps...
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Only joking!!!
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