Parelli is useless? Can you do this?

I had to laugh last night reading one of my horse mags - the adverts at the back. There was a lovely horse for sale who was "nearly at Parelli level 3, needs a confident and assertive rider - NOT aggressive". Says it all really :D sm x
 
JunoXV said:
No. using the trailer to transport your horse to another place and then ride it when you get there is fun. If you want to play those sort of games then you might as well get a dog. :rolleyes:
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Good grief! The closed-mindedness of some people is breathtaking! Everyone is not the same! And who are you to judge who should have horses and who shouldn't, and what they should do with them?
 
"Tootsies" lmao !

The boy picks his feet up in turn just cos I'm standing next to him with the hoof pick, and he seems to know to hold it over the muck scoop to catch the bits too :D Sometimes he surprises himself, cos he lifts up his leg without "sorting his position" and then realises he's nearly falling over. Quick shuffle and it's up again. Gotta love him.

sm x
 
Golf Girl said:
Good grief! The closed-mindedness of some people is breathtaking!
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A huge closed-minded assumption on your part there. I'm probably one of the few on this board who has studied PNH. :p I tend not to dismiss something until I have researched it throughly so close-minded does not fit me. ;) Still have all the equipement and DVD's :p
I'm not going to give my view on PNH (done that elsewhere) but I stand by the fact that the majority of PNH followers I have met spent 90% or more of their time doing groundwork over and over and over again despite Mr P advocating that this is inappropriate. Obviously there are always exceptions and these exceptions are brilliant. However, I remain firm in my belief that if someone wants to spend the majority of their time working with an animal from the ground then a dog is a much cheaper and often more responsive subject.
 
I don't get it.....I'm confused.

What 'use' of Parelli does that video demonstrate?? Zoomy goes in a lorry and trailer fine without any persuation at all. In fact I'm sure she would goe backwards in if I asked.....by why would I ask??

Please can someone enlighten me?
 
Golf girl please realise that by posting threads like this- particularly with such an assertive/aggressive title- you are bound to get a strong reaction from people who don't follow the Parelli technique...

Might I suggest a more inclusive tone would receive a warmer response? :)

I understand that you posted the link believing it to demonstrate some of the exceptional tricks that the Parelli technique facilitates, which it does to a certain extent because not many people could get their horse to canter into a trailer....

However what I think what you fail to identify is that some people- myself included- simply don't need or want to do these kinds of tricks- therefore you haven't really managed to create a strong argument for the utility of the Parelli method :confused:

I attended a Parelli demonstration in Solihull when Pat and Linda were over a few years ago. Although I came away feeling quite neutral about the method (being kind and building a relationship on the ground first is common sense in my mind :o ) the thing that really blew me away was a lady doing dressage during the pre-amble who had no tack on her horse at all, just a string around the horses neck... now that to me is real synergy with a horse!!

I wish you the very best of luck with your Parelli programme and I am all for 'freedom of choice' however you should probably know that you may be wasting your breath and your energy trying to pick fights and convert people to the Parelli method using this sort of thread :)
 
MontyandZoom said:
I don't get it.....I'm confused.

What 'use' of Parelli does that video demonstrate?? Zoomy goes in a lorry and trailer fine without any persuation at all. In fact I'm sure she would goe backwards in if I asked.....by why would I ask??

Please can someone enlighten me?
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It allows you to waste a huge amount of time moving trailer in to field, getting ropes and carrot stick out then actually setting horse up to go in trailer. By that time its too late to actually go anywhere so no need to ride the horse.
Simplez ;)
 
Originally Posted by Golf Girl
Fantastic! Why would you want to do it? Because it's FUN! As we brainwashed, rope-wiggling, stick-wielding, ridiculous Pat Parelli worshippers say 'it's not about the trailer ..........'
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Originally Posted by JunoXV
No. using the trailer to transport your horse to another place and then ride it when you get there is fun. If you want to play those sort of games then you might as well get a dog
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Originally Posted by Golf Girl
Good grief! The closed-mindedness of some people is breathtaking! Everyone is not the same! And who are you to judge who should have horses and who shouldn't, and what they should do with them?
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JunoXV said:
A huge closed-minded assumption on your part there. I'm probably one of the few on this board who has studied PNH. :p I tend not to dismiss something until I have researched it throughly so close-minded does not fit me. ;) Still have all the equipement and DVD's :p
I'm not going to give my view on PNH (done that elsewhere) but I stand by the fact that the majority of PNH followers I have met spent 90% or more of their time doing groundwork over and over and over again despite Mr P advocating that this is inappropriate. Obviously there are always exceptions and these exceptions are brilliant. However, I remain firm in my belief that if someone wants to spend the majority of their time working with an animal from the ground then a dog is a much cheaper and often more responsive subject.
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Hmmm nope, I've re-read our conversation and it's definitely not me who is closed-minded. I don't care who you are or what you've studied, or what you do with your own horses, that's irrelevant here.

The video shows a girl and her horse having 'fun' together, and if that's what she wants to do with her horse, who are you to criticise it, or say she should have a dog instead?

Live and let live ......
 
Cliqmo said:
Golf girl please realise that by posting threads like this- particularly with such an assertive/aggressive title- you are bound to get a strong reaction from people who don't follow the Parelli technique...

Might I suggest a more inclusive tone would receive a warmer response? :)

I understand that you posted the link believing it to demonstrate some of the exceptional tricks that the Parelli technique facilitates, which it does to a certain extent because not many people could get their horse to canter into a trailer....

However what I think what you fail to identify is that some people- myself included- simply don't need or want to do these kinds of tricks- therefore you haven't really managed to create a strong argument for the utility of the Parelli method :confused:

I attended a Parelli demonstration in Solihull when Pat and Linda were over a few years ago. Although I came away feeling quite neutral about the method (being kind and building a relationship on the ground first is common sense in my mind :o ) the thing that really blew me away was a lady doing dressage during the pre-amble who had no tack on her horse at all, just a string around the horses neck... now that to me is real synergy with a horse!!

I wish you the very best of luck with your Parelli programme and I am all for 'freedom of choice' however you should probably know that you may be wasting your breath and your energy trying to pick fights and convert people to the Parelli method using this sort of thread :)
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Em, I didn't post the link .....
 
Is this the OP and her horses in the video.

I used parelli along with trad methods with my mare in the begining (i am a bit sick of writing that now lol) and have a lot to be grateful for as it really was a big help to us. She was scared, mistrustful, had no respect for anyone and was aggressive.
(no you parelli haters...this was before the training!)
It really helped us and it was a means to an end for me. I just wanted her to be confident, trust me and to forge a bond with her. There was no harsh treatment involved, I would never have stood for that (i had help from parelli/traditional, brilliant horsewoman).
I must admit, it started to get bored with it as did my horse i think. I didn't have enough interest to go up the levels, or the money to be honest.
I found the video quite boring too, have seen it all before. Well done to whoever it is in the vid. They obviously have tons of time and patience.
Mine is a fabby riding horse now.
I do knwo people who do parelli and are too frightened to ride, fair play to them, it is better than the horses stuck in a field doing nothing.
 
JunoXV said:
It allows you to waste a huge amount of time moving trailer in to field, getting ropes and carrot stick out then actually setting horse up to go in trailer. By that time its too late to actually go anywhere so no need to ride the horse.
Simplez ;)
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Ah ok!! I get it now :D Does anyone know anywhere online I can buy a Parelli starter pack??

Zoom's jabs are due but I'm sure a carrot stick and manky old rope would be a better use of my limited funds
 
Golf Girl said:
The video shows a girl and her horse having 'fun' together, and if that's what she wants to do with her horse, who are you to criticise it, or say she should have a dog instead?

Live and let live ......
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AH so being open-minded doesn't extent to me actually being allowed an opinion on this unless it agrees with those that worship at the font of PP?
I think we will have to disagree on who exactly has the closed mind here. ;)
 
Cliqmo said:
the thing that really blew me away was a lady doing dressage during the pre-amble who had no tack on her horse at all, just a string around the horses neck... now that to me is real synergy with a horse!!
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Probably deserves its own thread but HERE is a video worth watching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-7v8Ck1crg

If you google Stacy Westfall you'll find more
 
I think the girl in the video has obviously spent alot of time training her horses. Alot of it wasted tbh, theres no need to teach a horse to canter in to a trailer, nor be lead by its tail backwards- both potentially dangerous.

There could have been someone hiding with a bowl of food in the trailer though- for a little bit of added help.;)

The girl has obviously enjoyed it and the horses dont seem to mind, so good on her. However i have several horses that load by themselves and when one was younger he used to canter in on his own without asking, i had to teach him to walk! I have never needed a long stick or ropes around their legs to achieve this. Or a 'name' to put to it. Its just training :)

Maybe im old fashioned but a hat and gloves wouldnt go amiss as well :p
 
jenhunt said:
Like it... we say "tootsies please!" to ours to the same effect!
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Ah now we've gone one better than you. One of my mares actually removes her own shoes so that the farrier doesn't have to!!

Decreasing his workload doesn't seem to earn us a discount though..... :D
 
OP - i don't think i'd like to have a horse who cantered into the trailer!

Both videos are weird, esp. the one of him trying to get a horse to load, thats a lot of whip using :confused:
 
I have yet to see a video of PP loading a horse that impresses me in any way but negatively. To me, the worst part of this one is when he is talking to the woman and evidently explaining what "some people" do, all the while waving the stick about and jerking his body without paying any attention to the horse who is rightfully alarmed at being nearly hit by the darn thing! Totally irresponsible handling, as far as I'm concerned. I see that a lot in his videos, too - he is not paying any attention to the horse.
 
what about a horse than canters into the rear of the trailer and straight out of the front ramp , whilst doing a circle, then stands on a barrel for a minute, and goes back and does it all again ? Coming to think of it, we're putting together quite a good demo :D
DVD anyone ?
 
No, no, I can't do that. I can't make annoying YouTube videos with annoying music playing because I have something called "taste".

With "taste" comes common sense, so although my horse also knows stupid party tricks, they include the ever useful "Ask" and "corner" which means I can feed her without getting mobbed.

"ask" keeps kids entertained for hours...

Last time I had a horse canter into a box, its because she had a verbal warning (I said "get the lunge rein and broom"! intelligent horses are intelligent!) and she nearly damn killed me in the process...

The point is, my horses seem able to understand me without a carrot stick or a wiggle line. Anyone wanna pay me a fortune to find out how I did it? You can pay by paypal...
 
go on, out of the very kindness of your warm heart :p It's carrots isn't it, it's carrots, maybe apples....hang on NOT SANDWICHES ? Aha, have I sussed you out :eek:

Personally I think the broom method is a very sound one, although I have seen the jet-hose work to great effect too. OOOOOOPS - trade secret given out for nowt. Must try harder..;)
 
shysmum said:
go on, out of the very kindness of your warm heart :p It's carrots isn't it, it's carrots, maybe apples....hang on NOT SANDWICHES ? Aha, have I sussed you out :eek:

Personally I think the broom method is a very sound one, although I have seen the jet-hose work to great effect too. OOOOOOPS - trade secret given out for nowt. Must try harder..;)
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I never actually used a broom though! I've never ever used a broom for anything other than sweeping!

And I've never used a lunge rein to load a horse until last month... which was 7 and a half years after the horse who cantered up the ramp died!!

Nah, I just talk to my girls. Seems I'm better at it than a certain Cowboy... (by name AND by trade!)
 
Its not exactly breaking news that some horses are very quick learners and will do things by repitition when very comfortable with their owners. I was very impressed with my friend's mare which used to self load without a headcollar and one day decided to see if my mare would do it. After a little coaxing she did and now I never use a lead rope. When I had my trailer, because I always took her to shows on my own, she would also unload - as she wasn't tied up, she would look behind to see when I had removed the breach bar, check that I wasn't in the way, reverse far enough to turn round on the ramp and stroll off, at which point I would clip her lead rope on. Much easier than using the front ramp. I had no idea I was doing Parelli! Neither does my mare! And what about my gelding, who will bound into any horsebox whose ramp you point him at? You have to be quite careful when leading him round the lorry park, as its so embarassing to have a 17.1 hunter type bound into someone else's box!
 
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