Parelli ISN'T a real issue!!

just cant watch video - after seeing comments on here i think i wouldnt want to - but off to sign petition
 
I have been supporting SHARK online for a long time now!

I find rodeo's abhorant, and was sickened to my stomach to discover I attended events which ran rodeos in Australia.

Fortunately, their ideas of rodeos involve bull riding and barrel racing as apposed to animal abuse.

However, I have one gripe with the posters on this thread.

poor bay horse

This isn't an isolated thing. Pretty much every time a rodeo runs with these sorts of activities, horses suffer and die. If you go through back catalogues of videos from SHARK you will see horses of every colour break legs and necks... and the same for the beautiful calves, who may seem nothing but meat animals, but still deserve enough respect that some bully of a man three times their weight doesn't snap their necks with a piece of rope.

Rodeo like this has no place in the 21st C. Yes, I know damn well the history, the culture, and I'm not saying no to barrel racing or professional bull riding (I watched a few hours of it in Aus, all the bulls have names and a league table of their own, like the car makers in F1 have a league seperate to the drivers - wouldn't work if they were abused!) - I'm saying no to animal torture for entertainment!!!
 
Jesus christ. I'm not an hysterical person and I honestly thought it woudn't be that bad like most things on here but that made my stomach actually turn. That poor poor little horse. I am shocked.
 
The Shark people are an animal rights group whose sole purpose is to depict all animal use in the worst possible light. So take all their videos with a very large grain of salt. Accidents happen in rodeo just like in all equine sports such as eventing, show jumping, and hunting. I'm sure one could take videos of accidents in each of these sports put them together and make the event seem horribly cruel. I believe the LACS, that you so often refer to in the hunting forum do this sort of thing with regard to hunting.

The incidents you saw depicted on the video are the exception to the rule. Prison rodeos are very amateur events and there are very few of them remaining. Wild horse racing is not a regular rodeo event. I have only seen one wild horse race and it did not take place in conjunction with a rodeo. In the event I saw there was more damage done to the humans involved that to any of the horses.

In professional rodeo, the animals are very well cared for. The horses used in the bucking events are often bred for that purpose. A good bucking horse can be worth thousands of dollars. Many of them are halter broke and easily handled until it is time for them to go to "work". I have seen bucking horses that bucked well into their twenties.
 
wireweiners said:
The Shark people are an animal rights group whose sole purpose is to depict all animal use in the worst possible light.
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That is almost certainly true! But an event like this makes it pi** easy for them, doesn't it! :rolleyes: So why isn't the PRCA doing anything about these appalling events (other than trying to gag the people who are exposing them?)
 
JanetGeorge said:
That is almost certainly true! But an event like this makes it pi** easy for them, doesn't it! :rolleyes: So why isn't the PRCA doing anything about these appalling events (other than trying to gag the people who are exposing them?)
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Because the people who do it squeal "culture" and the PC brigade are instantly on side. Not worth the hassle for the RSPCA - image first, animals second.
 
Well said Janet George, I signed and posted this link on my FaceBook last week when I first saw it, and I was thinking the same about all the posts and views that the Parelli Post got, and this wild horse racing only had signitures in the hundreds.
Im not a Parelli fan but what he did to Catwalk and the abuse that these wild horses receive don't really compare.
 
wireweiners said:
The Shark people are an animal rights group whose sole purpose is to depict all animal use in the worst possible light. So take all their videos with a very large grain of salt. Accidents happen in rodeo just like in all equine sports such as eventing, show jumping, and hunting. I'm sure one could take videos of accidents in each of these sports put them together and make the event seem horribly cruel. I believe the LACS, that you so often refer to in the hunting forum do this sort of thing with regard to hunting.

The incidents you saw depicted on the video are the exception to the rule. Prison rodeos are very amateur events and there are very few of them remaining. Wild horse racing is not a regular rodeo event. I have only seen one wild horse race and it did not take place in conjunction with a rodeo. In the event I saw there was more damage done to the humans involved that to any of the horses.

In professional rodeo, the animals are very well cared for. The horses used in the bucking events are often bred for that purpose. A good bucking horse can be worth thousands of dollars. Many of them are halter broke and easily handled until it is time for them to go to "work". I have seen bucking horses that bucked well into their twenties.
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while some of what you said 'may' be true, to play devils advocate here, IF it is just an exception to the rule, do you think the ones who die feel that way? The very nature of how they "handle' the situation, seems at best "routine business" not a care in the world for the injured animal. I would think if this rarely happens, they would feel bad for what they had done, and do everything to put the animal out of it's misery. that didn't/doesn't happen though. instead they beat this horse to try to get it up when it finally fell down, and left it to suffer, hiding the whole thing from the eyes of the spectators with a big truck. the fact is, these things seem like "exceptions to the rule" because they are THAT good at hiding it.

and this IS a sport and regular event, they even have a HALL OF FAME

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-15858832.html

things that don't exists, don't have professional associations

http://www.wildhorseracing.ca/

http://pwhri.com/

http://www.oocities.com/wpwhra/index.html

http://www.gutsandglory.net/WildHorse.htm

http://www.flickr.com/photos/housden/181311536/




need more proof it exists out side of the prison rodeo?

it EVEN has it's own FB page for those 'passionate" about wild horse racing.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wild-Horse-Racing/375371109307?v=desc

This has to be stopped. Even IF this is the only horse harmed ever, why no compassion what so ever for it's suffering? Nothing short of sub-human.

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SIGNED!

Canada is just as bad, just google this years Calgary stampede. Chuckwagon racing has got to be one of the worst offenders regarding injuries!

Thankfully I'm escaping this place next year and returning to the UK, can't bring my horse with me though (anyone got a spare $12,000?)
 
Also forgot to mention....something that doesn't exist, even has a youth division in canada. that's right folks, train 'em while they are young to be abusers. Parents, line your 8 & 9yr old kids up right here for a wild pony race contest. we'll teach 'em how to abuse just like thier hero's of the rodeo. guess it is never to early in life to begin torturing animals.:mad:

Like father like son!
 
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Shame this is turning into a "bash all other nations that keep horses" thread. We really ought to start on our own doorstep.

Anyone ever got any stats on the attrition rate from horse racing in the UK? Right on your doorstep people.

What are WE doing racing horses as 2 year olds? Horses are mentally, emotionally and physically ruined by our very own dear racing industry. I'd love to know how many of them make it to the normal life expectancy for a domestic horse.

Go to Appleby when the horse fair is on. Watch boys and men wrestling horses into the river to wash them. What ever happened to the man whose horse died in the river a few years ago?

..and then go to a normal horse show and watch people tie their horses mouths shut with tight nosebands because that's what everyone else does.

Go to any normal riding school and watch a BHS instructor have a little girl sit on her pony kicking 7 bells out him because he doesn't understand how to go forward when she is both kicking and yanking on the reins at the same time with her instructor yelling "KICK KICK KICK".

If you asked someone to get off their horse and kick him in the belly from the ground as hard as they are taught to kick horses from the saddle there would be a queue forming to call the RSPCA.

You're right - the real issue is just the every day cruelty, mistreatment and ignorance about how to motivate and train horses that is alive and well and to be found on ANY horse facility, at ANY show....in fact anywhere you find horses and people in my country you see ignorance of horse psychology, anthropomorphism, ego, pride, frustration, fear, people giving up, people with perfect stables and perfectly groomed horses too scared to ride them and people who plain just care more about the money and what their friends think of them than about horses.

Let's start at home first before we sling mud at other nations and their practices. We have plenty to work on here already.
 
independentthinker said:
Shame this is turning into a "bash all other nations that keep horses" thread. We really ought to start on our own doorstep.
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Let's start at home first before we sling mud at other nations and their practices. We have plenty to work on here already.
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I'd agree there is plenty to work on here. But that DOESN'T mean we hve to turn a blind eye to that which goes on elsewhere. Gee -there are human rights buses in the UK so let's leave China alone. The people on this forum ARE concerned about what happens here - my biggest concern about the Parelli fiasco was NOT Catwalk - it's the fct that lots of little Parelli disciples HERE decide that sort of treatment of a horse is ok because Prat does it!

At least with horse racing here, the INTENTION isn't to terrify horses. And any horse who MAY be injured is treated very quickly and professionally!
 
If you look hard enough there is cruelty everywhere, but the fact is, if we as a nation, or as a group of people who love horses and care for them, stand up and say "NO MORE" to these down right idiotic and abusive actions taken on horses then others who also see fit to abuse horses will get the idea, that people are not going to stand for it. Someone said earlier wireweiners I think it was, that people get hurt doing this, well you know what I say, good. there stupid and they deserve a kick in the face if they are going to treat horses badly. As for 'Buckers' also mentioned by this poster. Have you not seen Flank straps. the horses are not bucking because it is bred into them, they are bucking because some one has tied a strap around their flank, tight and asked them to move. Its over the kidneys and its painful and it causes bucking.

heres a pic

http://www.v4a.org/files/buck strap on horse.jpg

what the flank strap does

http://www.animalwritings.com/images/rodeo-flank-strap-wound.jpg

and a video of it in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi_KcoGT3s4

Note, the horses DONT STOP BUCKING when the guy falls off. This makes me cry and feel so sick watching it.

and hear is a pic of an old style beaking

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CwT3yW5am2w/SREosQN3OhI/AAAAAAAAB0k/FNoeTQnb92Y/s400/bucking-bronco.jpg

no flank strap

I am sorry but I cant stand by and watch this happen year after year. If shark are a bit crazy (yes that video is another shark one) so what, there are loads of others who have witnessed similar things that are not from shark.

please please please stand up for the beautiful free mustang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZetefXB3svE&feature=related
 
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yes there is cruelty everywhere, and this forum discusses issues as they come up (if we're allowed to, you know what I'm talking about !). We are lucky in this country that we have the BHS, WHW and the RSPCA, it is a small place in the scheme of things, and when stuff does happen, it usually gets dealt with. Exceptions I know. However, when an issue comes to light, we have the power, and the will, as a group to do something. United we stand ?

I lived in Oz for quite a while, and what I saw there would make you want to cry for sure. Vast expanses of land, with very few Inspectors. I won't go into it, but it was pretty bad. :(

The suggestion that we work together on an issue at a time is such a good one, and it makes me for one feel less, well "impotent" dare I say it :eek: And certainly not just isssues abroad either !! Petitions, emails to the right people (addresses provided on here), that sort of stuff. After all, we are all here cos we're passionate about horses.

Hmm, rambling, sorry. sm x
 
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