Parelli - Natural Horsemanship? I think not....

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Ive seen one or two 'Parelli Puzzles' programmes, and although I've not found anything to directly complain about, I cant say they enamoured me too much. But the other day, i turned it on just as they were trying to load a little piebald horse into a trailer. This particular 'puzzle' was not overly disturbing; he was a little reticent, they shook the rope at him (i dont get that, but hey) whilst tapping his quarters with a stick, and eventually, he walked in. But then Parelli woman asked the handler what other problems she had with the horse, and it turned out he didnt like walking in between big oil drums. So they put two oil drums near one another, and asked him to walk through....he did so, again, a little timidly, but he didnt really baulk or say no. Parelli woman, however, decided that his lack of eagerness in walking through them meant he was 'poking fun at the handler,' sticking his tongue out, so to speak. so, next time the handler asked him to walk through, Parelli woman jumped forward and whipped him round the front legs! he then leaped through the gap, before whipping round on the other side and trembling, as she stepped forward once more and brought the whip down on his quarters. the horse was then absolutely petrified of her; the next time she stepped in to hit him, he wheeled away and dragged the owner round the ring.
They didnt, on camera, put him through again; the programme ended with her going up and patting his neck. I just dont think this can be called 'natural horsemanship' - if i remember rightly, a few weeks ago during the discussions about use of whip, nobody on here who is in full favour of the natural approach would condone the use of a whip as punishment or as an 'aid.' Now, as a 'normal' rider, if this was my horse, the fact that he walked through first of all without fuss would have been enough; yes. he was a little shaky, but he trusted his owner enough to do it, and surely practice would eventually make perfect??? a whip wouldnt even figure in the equation for me.

i can safely say i will NEVER be watching again.
 
What were they on? Who presented them? I'm interested as my new mare is Parelli Trained and is very sweet, but she WILL NOT let you ride her unless you play the seven games first- I have learnt that very well beleive me, so I can see that they do work. I am not a natural horsemanship person in that my horses are shod, they are in at night and they have standard tack, but I have learnt the seven games and I honestly beleive they have good use. I wonder who it was who was hosting the film, as they may just have been on some power trip as parelli isnt about confrontation, just the opposite.
 
i saw that. didnt you think the barrells were very close together as in only small gap for the pony? i dont like the parelli methods any way. i like good old fashioned traditional methods.
 
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but she WILL NOT let you ride her unless you play the seven games first- I have learnt that very well beleive me, so I can see that they do work.

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Sorry but this did make me LOL! Seriously (and this is NOT aimed at you, you are not responsible for the Parelli training), isn't Parelli and all NH about *Making the horse know you are the alpha*??? But in your case it is your HORSE and not YOU who is dictating to the other - I find that hilarious!

How long do these games last and what do they consist of?
 
Why was it so important that the horse should be made to walk between oil barrels anyway? I've been riding since I was a small child, and i rarely find myself ever having to ride between oil barrels in the normal course of things....
 
Hmmm I saw this program and at first it made me chuckle but when she started being more aggressive to that horse for "sticking its tongue at her" it just made me really mad!
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The horse did what she wanted and then she deliberately upset it! I have no idea what they were trying to achieve, and for a first time watcher of Parelli methods it just confirmed my thoughts all along!
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I watched a freind of mine having a parelli lesson the other day with a very well known parelli instructor. I was horrified. They were attempting to teach the horse to stay out of her space - this involved leading the horse, stopping expecting the horse to stop then backing up, if the horse did not back up as well it got a hefty size 11 boot with huge rowel spurs in its chest.
I left.
 
The prog is on Horse & Country TV and it's Linda Parelli. Poor horsey should have spun round and kicked her.

Has anyone seen the one where they're bending in and out of poles and are tapping the horse round the face with the "carrot stick" to make them turn?! Grrrr!
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Oh gosh its not because shes Alpha horse- but because she has a very deep seated fear of being ridden!! She was bell and truly BROKEN in when she was sent away and now unless she has full confidence in you she wont let you rider her. You can get on no problem, but if she doesnt trust you- you will find yourself in the floor instantly. Once you play the games and she knows what your about she is an angel which is why im trying to stick up for Parelli here- as they abviously do something for her.
 
I dont know why I feel the need to write this, especially as I am not a natural horesmanship person. Non of my horses are ridden in that way, and are fully school dressage horses, but the horse I have just taken on is a little mare with little confidence, and she truly does need the stability and the comfort from the games, and to see her suddenyl lick, chew and rest a back leg after 10 min of playing games, thats my cue to say your ready for work now. In my opinion this is far better than knackering your hourse out on the lunge in order to get it tired enough for you to ride it. Shes ready for work and highly highly obendient when your on. If the games are not played you will find her explosive to say the least, no matter how much lunging you do- the comfort of the friendly and yo yo game work wonders, and if it means i have to play them at a show, hell i dont care if I look stupid if afterwards my little mare is calm and quiet and gets a 65%.
 
Shadowmonkey - if its worked for your horse, then thats cool; i can totally understand that there may be some case where their approach may have good results (probably many cases). I guess it was seeing this particular method that horrified me, and from what you guys have now said, its not the only routine that seems cruel! im glad im not being oversensitive here; as my previous posts have shown, I am not at all against punishment of disobedience or downright naughtiness, even if that sometimes has to take the form of a slap. But i would never, ever punish a horse for its 'bad attitude' in carrying out a task - if its done it, its done it for you, and you should work to get it doing it willingly, not hit it for being sarky!
 
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I'm interested as my new mare is Parelli Trained and is very sweet, but she WILL NOT let you ride her unless you play the seven games first- I have learnt that very well beleive me, so I can see that they do work. .

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And how long does that take?? You must have to be there all day before you get to ride!

We have a parelli type on our yard...I watched her the other day ever so politely asking her horse to walk through a puddle, horse didn't want to and it took them 5 mins to get across the road LMFAO. I have never done parelli/NH/IH yet my horses walk through puddles quite happily. The mare would follow without even needing a headcollar - I've had her 6 weeks and wouldn't dream of doing parelli. I see this so called parelli trained horse looking thoroughly bored out of its mind when they're doing parelli with it and she spends most of her time wandering off to get grass while the owner shakes the rope at her! PMSL...my mare comes to call, does everything asked of her, and genuinely wants to spend time with people.

Parelli, IMHO, is a total waste of time.
 
So what are these seven games? I'm all for bonding with the horse and working in a partnership with it, but I don't know if I'd have time to play seven games every time i wanted to ride !

Do they take long?
 
Ive seen that particular episode too and until now was always fairly ambivalent about Linda, watching her was more like just a bit of light entertainment although I have grave doubts about Pat but thats another story.

However after seeing her frighten that horse thorugh the barrels for no good reason my attitude towards her has changed totally.
 
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So what are these seven games? I'm all for bonding with the horse and working in a partnership with it, but I don't know if I'd have time to play seven games every time i wanted to ride !

Do they take long?

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Just found this, seven Games in seven minutes: I have just tried to watch this, got to 2 minutes and found my eyelids drooping, sorry Parelli people, but I couldn't be doing with this each time. Do you really have to do all this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ukspOPvtH8
 
I've seen a couple of these programs and have been absolutely horrified. I really don't think they're doing themselves any favours by letting us see them!
 
Havent read all the replies but did catch some on Horse and Country TV and all I have to say is what a load of poop! Christ on a bike if I tried any of the with my mare she would probably kick my head in and rightly so!
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Just watched the video...it's not exactly 'at liberty' is it...in a small school...and I thought Parelli weren't allowed to use a whip?
Have you ever seen a more depressed looking horse?
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Firstly the horse looks bored of of its mind and slightly bewildered by the strange lady with the stick waving her arms at it.

Secondly my horse would move out of the way if I flapped my arms at them as well.

Thirdly I have never done Parelli with mine but they both move out of my space if I ask them to, and I generally don't have to ask as much as that lady did either!

Fourthly, instead of bewildering her horse by making it walk in circles and flapping her arms at it like a derranged chicken, I would suggest she spends some time building a starvation paddock and restricts its grazing...I would be ashamed to put a horse that overweight on the internet!

Again...that is all mostly just common sense. I expect my horse to move out of my space when asked, I expect it to stand still while I move around it, and lets be honest, the horse was doing the horse equivalent of rolling his eyes at her when she started waving the stick at it....
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Looks like she's bored the poor thing into submission rather than anything else...
 
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Just watched the video...it's not exactly 'at liberty' is it...in a small school...and I thought Parelli weren't allowed to use a whip?
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I think it just looks bored senseless!

And fat. Suggest "diet" should figure more highly on her agenda for the horse rather than waving her arms at it.
 
ROFPMSLMAO!!! Oh I'm sorry but that made me chuckle very loudly!
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What a dope. Why would anyone so completely incompetent as this lady, put a video like this on the Internet??
 
OMG - I can't watch it all - but I was so hoping she would get tangled in her ridicuous stick and fall over!..

Why would you need such a stick for such a basic movement as to make your horse move over.

Why would a horse have to walk between two oil drums anyway? Honestly, does it have to do it everyday!
 
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she WILL NOT let you ride her unless you play the seven games first-

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Is this for real? PMSL sorry, she must see you coming as did the peeps who 'trained' her!
 
Can anyone tell me;
1. Why would you need a stick to ask your horse to move over? That's just basic manners and I tend to use words, cunningly chosen...like 'back' and 'over' and 'stand'.
2. What is the point in all that whirling? It's like watching an arthritic dervish in slow motion?
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My 5-month old foal has managed to learn "walk on", "stand" and "whoa" in a couple of days of only doing it for less than five minutes in a morning and all without the aid of a whip ( . . sorry . . . CARROT STICK . . . ok - whip!) Does that make me a NH guru????
 
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