Parelli...please dont kill me! Enlighten me!

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Okay, dont kill me firstly, I am not a troll! lol
so I am aware there is some controversy over parelli. As far as all I know is one video with that stallion, catwalk? and yes that wasn't overly impressive. But I am just sat watching H&C in the background, and I think he does have a little talent.
Could some one enlighten what else he has done to be branded so harshly? I am not a fan of him or anything in particular, I am just interested in exactly why he is so hated as he appears to be.

Be nice! *runs for cover*
 
His wife's treatment of the half blind horse Barney was atrocious and that was included in their training materials as an acceptable and laudable form of training.
His wife's treatment of the little grey arabian was equally appalling and that too was included in their DVD's.

Pat Parelli's treatment of Catwalk was awful.
The use of leg restraints when breaking youngsters in (i.e the wild horse training event) despite the fact he liken such devices to rape in the past, seems in certain circumstances it is acceptable though (catwalk, mustang etc.)

The Parelli bloopers video is disturbing in the fact it shows just how little respect he has for horses.
 
team barney said:
His wife's treatment of the half blind horse Barney was atrocious and that was included in their training materials as an acceptable and laudable form of training.
His wife's treatment of the little grey arabian was equally appalling and that too was included in their DVD's.

Pat Parelli's treatment of Catwalk was awful.
The use of leg restraints when breaking youngsters in (i.e the wild horse training event) despite the fact he liken such devices to rape in the past, seems in certain circumstances it is acceptable though (catwalk, mustang etc.)

The Parelli bloopers video is disturbing in the fact it shows just how little respect he has for horses.
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interesting. so is the material on the dvds that is upsetting? would they ever show this stuff on H&C? I am intrigued as to what their behavious is actually like towards the animals, maybe i should get the dvds! or maybe not, i upset quite easily!
 
hayleyshep88 said:
interesting. so is the material on the dvds that is upsetting? would they ever show this stuff on H&C? I am intrigued as to what their behavious is actually like towards the animals, maybe i should get the dvds! or maybe not, i upset quite easily!
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I don't think Parelli show their DVD footage on H&C.
The dvd's are very expensive so unless you have just won the lottery I wouldn't recommend forking out.
The dvd footage is very upsetting, many of the horse's are lame and unnecessary force (think metal clip regularly meeting jaw, yanking ropes, and routine striking with rope, stick and hand) I actually had to force myself to watch it.
The pro-parelli camp said the Barney youtube footage of Barney was severely edited and made from all the worst bits of the DVD. I can honestly tell you that the full version was far more terrible to watch, the full version made the youtube clip look complete tame.
The dvd footage showed how well behaved Barney actually was and his stress was only the result of being flagged about by LP in an unknown situation surrounded by camera men and strange horses which he could only partially see.
One of the things I found most distressing was LP's cruel reprimanding (clip smashing jam and struck with ropes) ever time he turned his head, Barney had to move his head to see his environment as he only had one eye!
 
Would like to add, as well as the Parelli's disturbing DVD footage, everyone I know who does Parelli seems to rarely ride properly, instead playing games, lunging over strange obsticles and riding about in a headcollar. Fair enough if this is in a menage, but I witnessed someone try jumping on a xc course (in a parelli lesson) in a headcollar and they broke their leg as the horse decided to run out, because of the lack of control, and the person was very inexperienced (but she claims she wasn't, because she's "Level 3"- that she may be, but she'd obviously hardly jumped before in her life and had no reason to be doing xc).
The levels are annoying too. If you have enough money and lessons i'm sure you could progress through them fairly quickly, which I think makes people overconfident in their ability. If you've only been riding for a year, I don't care what level your on, your not getting on my horse. Time and experience seems to be the only thing that works with horses, and Parelli acts like it can be bought :rolleyes:
 
I have seeen a lot of people expressing dislike of the Parellis before those videos were shown. I think that they are seen as very corporate and money orientated.
 
I have seen some amazing results achieved by people who have utilised PNH and NH principles.

Two of the people that reached level 3 instructor status in australia are mark and debbie. They have since left PNH (most instructors in Australia did when the structure of the organsatin changed and requirements to remain a PNH instructor meant spending anything up to 2 months in USA a year, which was not really viable for many people).

They now train for competition, teach and start horses their website is www.markrodney.com.au

Also another is suzanne bellette, I will see if I can find a link for her as well

These three people have helped me a lot with my horses, there are others.

I really am not involved in PNH/NH as my work committments mean most the time spent with horses is driving my kids around.

I have found PNH/NH excellent for ground manners with young (and older horses) and helping problem loaders. I have used PNH principles to teach all my horses to load, and if I had not learnt anything else from PNH then this in itself would make it worthwhile for me. I do not have to lead the horses on it is just point and load, and given what some of them were like before that is pretty amazing.

PNH/NH can also enable you to have a lot of fun with your horse, esp. if you do not have a competition focus, for example liberty work and bareback and bridleless are fun things to achieve and demonstrate the bond that is possible with your horse.

Of course I do not see a difference between good horsemanship be it NH or traditional horsemanship.
 
Personally hate it, I have seen parelli in work and think it is most senses a daft principle. My horse is well trained ... He's hot headed and shows that energy in his work, where as parelli trained horses often lack engery, seem disinterested in their work (my horse has a spring in his step after a ride), and in most cases honestly seem confused. Aside from that I don't want to pay 10,000 dollas on an orange stick and a long rope to make sure my horse is trained. Fair enough if you want a horse you can hit around the face with this stick and it is uninterested in anything, be my guest ... Me personally i'll stick with the stuff that means my horse wants to spend time with me.
 
You could settle down with a bottle of wine beside you and seach the forum for "Parelli". Don't bother with a glass, just necking from the bottle will probably be more fitting. :-))
 
hayleyshep88 said:
Okay, dont kill me firstly, I am not a troll! lol
so I am aware there is some controversy over parelli. As far as all I know is one video with that stallion, catwalk? and yes that wasn't overly impressive. But I am just sat watching H&C in the background, and I think he does have a little talent.
Could some one enlighten what else he has done to be branded so harshly? I am not a fan of him or anything in particular, I am just interested in exactly why he is so hated as he appears to be.

Be nice! *runs for cover*
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Hi Hayley! You are right, PP does have talent or he would not be where he is today. He has his 'haters' just like everyone else who is successful, and these are not the people you should be asking for advice from if you want to find out more about the man or his methods. I'd suggest popping over to http://parelliconnect.com where you can sign up for a free 30 day trial to Parelli Connect which gives you access to lots of interesting and useful stuff - then you can decide for yourself whether it's good or bad ;)
 
Golf Girl said:
Hi Hayley! You are right, PP does have talent or he would not be where he is today. He has his 'haters' just like everyone else who is successful, and these are not the people you should be asking for advice from if you want to find out more about the man or his methods.
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Wrong answer to the question. Hayley is not asking about finding out about Parelli, she asks 'why he is hated as much as he appears to be.'
Therefore she is probably right in asking the people on a maninstream horse forum. A Parelli forum is the place to ask why he is so erm....rich.
 
Why is he hated so much - they profess to be into natural horsemanship, claim other methods are abusive and then publicly practice in a way that is seen by a large majority of horse people as abusive. Slick marketing to make money out of it. Some of the basic ideas are fine, it's what they have then done with it.

There are plenty of good 'natural horsemanship' proponents out there who do practice using non-abusive methods gained by understanding how the horse thinks and reacts to stimuli and reward. Mostly good old-fashioned nagsmanship with some modern understandings of equine behaviour.
 
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