Parelli Vs Jean François Pignon

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severnmiles

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Just back from the Royal Welsh and although I thoroughly enjoyed Jean François Pignon's performance one thing bugs me, why does everyone think he is so fantastic (I think he's great too) yet everyone disses Parelli when it is EXACTLY the same thing just he doesn't have a 'wand' in performances but then again highly trained 'Parelli people' don't in demos anyway.
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I just watched a bit of his routine on youtube, TBH it all looks like the "tricks" that used to be performed in circus's until they banned animals in circus's
 
if the horses are so happy with his methods why are thier ears always pinned back when asked to preform? not just concentrating back but pinned right back looking quite stresssed about it as well. cant say im a fan at all
 
I agree about the 'circus tricks' bit zigzag. I don't know much about the guy but all I saw on the the bit of video I watched were a group of horses performing a well-rehearsed circus style routine?
 
I would be both upset & concerned if any of mine maintained those facial expressions etc. when working, or at all in fact!
They reminded me of the worst kind of riding school pony - resigned to its fate & running on auto-pilot!
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if any of mine were pulling faces like that when asked to work i'd be seriously worried that they were in pain, stressed or ill, though mostly if they were in pain.

my pony follows me round anyway without the need for sticks or fancy join up methods all it takes is the possibility of there being a polo involved and he will follow you through hell and back with his ears pricked and his nose on your shoulder! he gives kisses (big slobbery ones) for polos as well. I can lean against him when he is lieing down in the field, weve spent many happy hours up in the field with him flat out on his side sun bathing and me sitting on the floor useing his chest to prop me up. so i can do circius tricks too but i dont need to stress my pony to do so (i just bribe him instead).
 
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Yes, I've seen him a couple of times and I've seen one of his horses try to bite him which is hardly the sign of a happy "joined-up"horses, is it?

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Actually I have to disagree there, when joined up you're basically talking 'horse language', its perfectly normal for a horse to pull faces and nip a field mate and if thats how they see JFP (as a horse) then its perfectly reasonable really.

He lets them loose in the main ring (which is large) if they didn't want to go to him then I guess they wouldn't...but they do. And if the whiteish one he rides bareback with no bridle wanted to, well he could easily dump him or buck - which we all know are signs of an unhappy horse - but he doesn't!

If anyone wants to see the display check out the Royal Welsh link in the 'Latest News' - he's on at 1.15pm...oh and I recommend watching the Cossacks - they are wild! They follow on after JFP.
 
But would he follow you around in the Royal Welsh main ring when there is soooo much more going on thats a bit more interesting?
 
Going off track a bit, but has anyone seen the Spirit of the Horse show? I went last year and was horrified! One of the riders wore spurs that looked like knitting needles and one of the horses didn't look sound to me, yet was being ridden in tight circles and jumped. It looked like there was very little spirit left in any of those poor animals.

I have seen Jean Francois Pignon at HOYS and found it quite entertaining, but would be interested to know the methods he uses (and I mean REALLY uses) to get those results.

I remain sceptical about all these types of things. I think they're sort of like these mediums you see - they find a crack and exploit the poor soul showing it.
 
I've just looked on youtube and I can't say I'm convinced either. Sure, the horses are doing as he asks, but they certainly don't look happy about it.

Don't know about SOH though, can't seem to find anything on that and I haven't seen it.
 
severnmills if he knew i had polos he probably would yes, he follows me round everywhere and i dont have to lead him at shows he just follows (tacked up and within easy reach but i dont have to actualy touch the reins unless im getting on).

Severnmills the occasional face may be normal but all of the time? i watched the grey and the only time its ears were not pinned flat back was just after he had got on it. he adjusted his seat and wasnt asking the horse to do anything and the horse had its ears forwards. the minute he asked it to move on it pinned its ears back again.
I can get on my lad in the field with no saddle or bridle and he just continues to graze. Its not that spectacular and the poor horses do look very very stressed.

Im not too enamoured with the cossaks either the horsemen of tha apocalypse are much much better
 
This is the thing though Conniesgirl...unlike you, Parelli don't use polos....I was of the opinion that its aload of rubbish before I saw mums friend (level 3) do a bit with my own horse...his ears weren't pinned back and yes he responded e.t.c

What bugs me is people commenting when they don't even bother to look into it...exactly what antis do re. hunting.
 
C - hrist!!! Amazes me when people see a performance that requires months, years, of training and dedication and yet poo-poo it! Having your pony follow you becos you've got polos in your pocket isnt quite the same thing really is it? Sitting on your pony's back in the field while he grazes isn't anywhere close. If its so easy, so unfabulous what people like Pignon achieve, then why cant you, those who put it down, do it? As for the attitude (read: ears) of these horses - bear in mind they're hardly riding school ponies - they're Stallions. As for slating circus skills: even Pat Parelli, does he not?, have a background with circus Grusse? The only person who has made any sense is Severnmiles. I echo her thoughts: Dont dismiss the likes of pignon or parelli who can achieve feats with horses that you cant until a) you have full knowledge of what it takes achieve their results, and b) you can do it yourself.

Ho hum....
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Having watched the Parelli promo dvd, which was free with something or other and not even heard of Jean Francois Pignon I feel eminently qualified to comment on this post!

The Parelli "way" semed to be all about riding using your legs and a strong seat as oppose to hauling your horse into an outline using hands, bit and any other tack that might aid a human being forcing half a ton of horse into an outline. It also supported the creation of an on ground relationship with your horse.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have been striving to do this since being introduced to my first riding school pony 30 odd years ago.

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