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just spent ages writing out stuff dodnt think it worked but if this is a repeat i am sorry I really need some advice please i have a horse i sent him away when he was 3 (long story) he was living a long way from where i live so couldnt see him very often I had noticed a change in his temperment he went to bite me and meant it I thought was mad at me, but the woman where he was said he had gone to bite her and then done it again and she had her fist ready:eek: think he sort of punched himself but there is no way ayone is doing that to him:mad: He was so sweet when he went never bit anyone when he went he had been treained using parelli methods, I dont know much about it but I see a animal who is so different to what he was. He was away year and half. I had planned to leave any training till I knew what i was doing but he is overweight so I have lunged him. He got back Tues I lunged him wed he was fine no probs:):) but today he keeps trying to come into me and justs stops when he wants to, think that was what he is used to xxxx
 
Can't really understand much of what you've posted, other than - he went away to be trained for 18 months. Has come back to you, and is difficult.

Why not just get on and ride him?
 
He is probably not sure what you want him to do. Carry on but make sure you are being clear and positive. Are you planning to lunge a few times and then ride him?
 
I had read about parelli like I said I dont really know about it but have seen some posts on here about it making horses agressive. I have been being firm and clear with him just bit unsure xx
 
According to the other thread you sent your horse away to be Parelli trained and now want to re-train him? So many "why's" in that...
 
Tinypony said:
According to the other thread you sent your horse away to be Parelli trained and now want to re-train him? So many "why's" in that...
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You also state elsewhere that you 'think' he'd been Parellied.

So who knows what the answers to your questions might be, if you yourself don't know what's been going on with your horse for the last 18 months.
 
Sorry couldn't make head nor tail of your post or question.

But if a horse came in to bite me then unfortunately there would be consequences for the horse, as well as an evaluation on my part of the possible reasons behind why the horse was biting in the first place.
 
This may sound mean, but I have this feeling this post is confusing on purpose. Also that the word parelli has just been added to get a rise out of people.

Really sorry if thats wrong and OP you do find it hard to write what you think, but thats how it feels and reads. Hope your horse gets back to itself soon.
 
dolly1971 said:
I had read about parelli like I said I dont really know about it but have seen some posts on here about it making horses agressive. I have been being firm and clear with him just bit unsure xx
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You sent your horse away for 18 months and you think he's been parellied? You don't know much about Parelli, and you're not sure if it could have made your horse aggressive? What were you hoping to achieve by sending him away? :confused:
 
I didnt send him to be parelli traine, he went to a friend I had known a long time. I didnt know much about it but she did and I trusted it was a ok way of training, after the hitting thing he was def coming home. I have been looking on here about parelli it sounds so horrid. The change in him is awfull. It must all be confusing for him I have seen on here people who have had problems so wanted a bit of a insight.
 
dolly1971 said:
I didnt send him to be parelli traine, he went to a friend I had known a long time. I didnt know much about it but she did and I trusted it was a ok way of training, after the hitting thing he was def coming home. I have been looking on here about parelli it sounds so horrid. The change in him is awfull. It must all be confusing for him I have seen on here people who have had problems so wanted a bit of a insight.
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So you sent your horse to be trained by someone you know, you didn't know how she was going to train him, but it turns out she knows about Parelli, so you think this is what she did. Did at no point occur to you to ask BEFORE the horse went what her training methods were, and how she proposed to deal with your horse? :confused:. There's plenty of info on Parelli that you could have researched before leaving him with her.
 
it was the why he was biting that concernes me. He had gone to bite me but I thought he was fine with other people, soon as I found out he did he came home. This is a genuine post, I am rushing around that much not looking at what I have been writing.
 
she was a really long term friend yes I should of researched more! but I had done MontyRoberts work with his mum so when she said natural horsemanship I trusted her
 
dolly1971 said:
it was the why he was biting that concernes me. He had gone to bite me but I thought he was fine with other people, soon as I found out he did he came home. This is a genuine post, I am rushing around that much not looking at what I have been writing.
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You brought him home because he went to bite you, then you found out he had tried to bite someone else? I'm sorry, this isn't making sense.
 
dolly1971 said:
she was a really long term friend yes I should of researched more! but I had done MontyRoberts work with his mum so when she said natural horsemanship I trusted her
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So if I tell you that I'm a really good horse woman, and you should send him to me to sort him out, I assume that he'll be on the next bus?:rolleyes:
 
When you sent him away to be trained, did you not have any specific goals that you wanted for him to acheve before returning to you? And did the trainer not at least give you some sort of training feedback? If you were as good friends as you say were I would at least expect a quick phonecall or email to discuss any issues if I couldn't make it to see him straight away in person.
 
I'm sorry, but I have to say most of the time this forum is of great help, but sometimes it cracks me up! Sorry OP I know you want some help, but until you are clear in what you are asking it's the replies that's making me laugh.....sorry
 
Right, I'll give this one the benefit of doubt.
1. you had a 3 year old that you sent away to bring on to your friend/person you know, who was quite far away, right?
2. the horse has been away for total of 18 months and only came home when you realised his training/manners are not up to scratch, yes?
3. you thought your friend will bring him on, but you suspect he has been ''parellied''?
4. the horse seems to be aggressive, is overweight, but at least is back home with you, still right?

From what I can gather, it wasn't supposed to be a backing job, but a sort of producing arrangement; you checked up on your horse, but it was quite far so not that regularly and the person looking after him seemed happy enough with his progress. Then one day you went to visit, the horse tried to bite you and on further investigation it turns out it has bitten other people, too... To add to that, he generally doesn't cooperate and doesn't consider you to be in charge - will lunge, but sometimes he won't. You haven't tried to ride him, so not sure if good under saddle...

I don't know if Parelli can make horses more aggressive than any other badly applied method. Because it is not the method per se, but the mistreatment that causes aggression. Having said that, it might be possible for physical causes of grumpiness/biting, so I would rule those out first.

So, what is it that you need advice with?
 
it really isnt making sense sorry. Trying to look at the other posts for helpfull replies. When he went to bite me it didnt seem like that much of a big deal. It was fairly early on and just thought it was with me. He was living a long way away so didnt get to see him too often. When I did he seemed ok looked nice and calm and alright. But when I found out he had bitten her and he was so totally nice before then like smokey said there must be a reason for it
 
dolly1971 said:
it really isnt making sense sorry. Trying to look at the other posts for helpfull replies. When he went to bite me it didnt seem like that much of a big deal. It was fairly early on and just thought it was with me. He was living a long way away so didnt get to see him too often. When I did he seemed ok looked nice and calm and alright. But when I found out he had bitten her and he was so totally nice before then like smokey said there must be a reason for it
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OK, making a bit more sense.

Well he could be biting because he's been tidbited or because he feels 'abused' in some way.

If he's generally well and biddable, I suspect he's just being a bugger and it's not the training methods that turned him in to a biter.

However, if he's aggressive with it - then I agree you should be concerned.

Personally, I'd just crack on working with him, riding and handling him as you would any other horse. Laying down clearly defined boundaries for him to understand.

I would apply your Monty Roberts knowledge to the problem - and just get on and give him a job to do.
 
dolly1971 said:
it really isnt making sense sorry. Trying to look at the other posts for helpfull replies. When he went to bite me it didnt seem like that much of a big deal. It was fairly early on and just thought it was with me. He was living a long way away so didnt get to see him too often. When I did he seemed ok looked nice and calm and alright. But when I found out he had bitten her and he was so totally nice before then like smokey said there must be a reason for it
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And breathe! Take your time, and not only check what you are typing, but also what you are reading. I didn't say that! However, I do agree that there must be a reason for it. Until you clarify what you hope to get from this post, I'm afraid you won't get the answers you are looking for.:)
 
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