Pass The Salt & Pepper So I Can Eat my Hat - Annimal Communicator

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I have had just the weirdest experience and am actually slightly freaked out!

We have a lady at our yard who regularly has an animal communicator come and visit her horse along with a colour and crystal therapist, completely her choice who am I to judge. I go as far as a Holistic Vet and my one experience with an animal communicator (15 quid through a photo!) was a load of old bull hooks.

Last week the communicator was down at the yard having just seen X’s horse.

I was sitting in the paddock with Vardi having a bit of a “pull yourself together mate” conversation as my trainer and I had just had a conversation in which he told me that Vardi had panicked and ran off with him again there was nothing to spook him as the worlds spookiest mare was also working in the school and she would have been the first to go. Trainer had given serious thought to did he do anything different and realised nope 30 mins into the training session they were just doing a relaxed lope and bam panic ran off set his jaw and trainer had no brakes and had to get his attention back first before doing one rein stop to get control back…..Vardi was then upset and silly for the rest of the session. Anyhow all plans for the intended taking him to the forest and getting him hacking outside on his own are now put back for a while and Vardi is now being taken back a lot of steps.

So the communicator is putting X’s horse back in the paddock and Vardi walked away from me and stood staring at her really locking eyes. She asked me if I was happy for her to communicate with him and I said “If you like we are having problems in that for no reason he will run into his bit then have a panic attack, maybe he can tell you what on earth is going on” “we suspect he was rushed when he was broken in and punished for not using his hind end, ran into his bit and was then socked in the teeth as a punishment “

As you can imagine I was fully expecting that to be told to me that that is what he confirmed happened.

Conversation went like this;

“Gosh I feel nauseous” it’s the bit he hates the taste and it makes his stomach contract like he wants to be sick but horses obviously can’t be sick” “oh how funny I have just asked him if he wants some honey on it and he has told me that you will say he is sweet enough”

“it’s the feeling of nausea that makes him panic and his teeth hurt him he is telling me it is memory pain, when he was a baby still inside his mother at the time the cells were forming to make his teeth his mother was kicked in the stomach really badly and he got lots of bad chemicals from her” (adrenaline I am assuming) “he really loved his mother and his weaning was very traumatic, he is saying his mother had a very hard life (she was a broodie churning out a foal a year) he is saying that you are his other mummy and look after him (got a bit tearful at this point).

“This is way I chew at everything to numb the pain in my teeth but I know it is not real pain but memory pain its like they itch” “he can ignore it most of the time and work through it but sometimes he just can’t and this makes his stomach contract and then he panics”

“he says he knows there is a bridle for him out there and you will know when it is right for him and then please never change it” “he is showing me a very tattered blue fleece top and a very dirty sheep stuffed toy” (these are my fleece I have had for years and my dogs stuffed toy our respective comfort blankets) he looks on the right bridle and bit as his comfort blanket and when you find the right one please buy two so you never have to change it.

He then went to chew on the fence and she said “shush you don’t need to do that anymore let it go”

“he says he hates being like this that he wants to be perfect and do everything well he hates having this hang up”

She suggested that I got a medium soft tooth brush and just brushed his gums every day to de-sensitise his teeth. Mad as it sounds I have been doing this and he loves it.

After this she left would not accept any payment but a cup of coffee in the bunkhouse.
I talked to my trainer about this and although a bit shocked she did not come up with the “oh yes the person that broke me in hurt me” and what she had come up with seemed a bit far fetched to say the least.

Anyhow I have the details of Vardi’s breeder and sent an e-mail last week just saying “I know this sounds crazy but did anything happen whilst your mare was pregnant with him”

Yesterday I got a return e-mail telling me that yes she was kicked in the belly by another brood mare when she was 5 months pregnant with him and it was touch and go that she kept the foal.

So yes I am a little freaked out and if someone will please pass the salt & pepper will commence eating my hat.
 
I think the one thing I have learnt with horses is to be opened minded. OK so it sounds like a load of old balls BUT if nothing else the person has clearly picked up on the fact that your horse has a sensitive mouth and given you a potential way forward with that.

I just think it is worth listening to anyone's views on your horse - you sound sensible enough to filter it and take the bits that you can use from it. Just because someone has a different horse philosophy from you doesn't mean that they won't have observed (felt????) something you haven't.

But really interesting about the mare in foal, yep that would freak me too??
 
O....................M......................G!!!! Amazing!

That is incredible! Is there no way at all she could have known?? She doesn't know the breeder or anything?? (I know just trying to hold on to a bit of skepticalism!)

If that is all as perfect and spot on as it seems I really hope it helps you and your horse it would be so lovely to think that he has actually been able to talk to you and let you know whats wrong - what a special thing it would be for the both of you if you manage to find the bridle and bit that works and you'll know that in his head he'll know he managed to tell you and you listened and have made it all better for him!!!


AAAAAHHHHHHHH - I'm gonna go away and cry now! Please keep us updated! And can I have the details of the woman?? Maybe she'll do a photo reading of mine! xxx
 
WHOA!! thats strange.Pretty amazing really.:eek:Can i ask what is a crystal/colour communicator (or whatever it is you said?) Just out of interest,have you ever thought of a bitless bridle?But if says youll find the perfect one one day,who knows what it will be.Tell us if you find it!!:) and im sorry to hear about your horses probelms,thats very sad.But hopefully he'll get over it.It sounds like he loves you very much!
 
Ha - well there you go. Enjoy the hat.

I get a lady called Isobel Hogton. Last time she turned up at the yard to see Bramble, she told me just as we were walking from her car when she arrived that Link was very sore on his right foot and he would prefer not to go out today.

There having been nothing wrong with him the day before I had no idea what was going on....and when I went straight away and got him from the field he had over reached and taken a massive chunk out of his right heel bulb

Now I know she had not seen them - saw her drive in, and they weren't visible from the road.

That was spooky.
 
I'm an old fashioned sort of haorse person but i'd like to think that there were people out there that could do this.......might be interesting to see what they have to say about the horses I have. :D
 
wow, very very specific, excellent stuff.
i think there are some charlatans out there, but also some people who really do have a gift, so actually, as someone who has used animal communicators in the past with success, and recommended them, i won't join you in the hat-scoffing. ;) ;)
umm, i'd try a nathe first if you really need to use a bit (aim to do dr) or otherwise a nurtural bridle (like a Dr Cook's but more stable) or a Micklem multibridle (can be used bitless in various ways, or with bit).
out of interest, what type of bit are you using at the moment? what metal is it made of, please?
congrats on getting some detailed, bizarre answers.
 
Wow! Get hunting for that bridle bless him, that actually nearly made me cry!:o

I read that many, many moons ago, we all could communicate with eachother and animals telepathically, I now wonder if this indeed was the case and over the years we have just lost the art of communicating properly.

I also read of a mare who was beahaving very badly, a communicator 'listened' to her and the mare told her she was upset at not having been able to say goodbye to her foal and she was sad :( Apparently she said she was glad she could tell someone (sje also mentioned other things she disliked) and after that she behaved perfectly! All very strange, but how lovely if they really can tell a human how they feel! Just what animals need!
 
Wow.. er that's almost... well a bit difficult to compute!

I've always liked the idea people could communicate to horses, but thought to myself "no that's not possible" but if everything you've said is how the events went then... well she must of had some form of communication with him?

Bizzare, really is. I'd love to see what someone said about Major, perhaps they could tell him to stop shaking his lips about everywhere every time we go anywhere!
 
Aimee tb - Well his breeder is in the extreme South of the country so she could but doubtful. She does not do photo sessions as she likes to actually work with the horse after communicating and she also says it is vital to ask the horse if there is anything else they need and hear them sigh to end the session which you can not do with a photo reading.

Use a name - A crystal communicator advocates holding a crystal to your horses nose and meditate with it (be useless for mine he would want to eat it!) a colour consultant said that X's horse needed to see the colour Orange cue X's horse wearing a flymask with a liberal coating of orange paint inside it....as I say if it floats your boat I am not going to comment but it is not for me.

Kerilli - god what haven't we tired, ordinary snaffle, sweet iron snaffle, neue schule french link, Myler Comfot Snaffle, Training Key bit (to stop him putting his tounge over the top) and recently a Myler copper loose ring.

He is now back in a simple rubber bar and a side pull so he gets used to holding something in his mouth but all rein aids will be used on the side pull rather than the bit.

We have discussed taking him bitless but it is my hang up I am afraid I had a horse bolt with me in a Dr Cooks and realised I had bugger all control and said never again....Trainer has suggested hackamore.

Any bit suggestions will be gratefully received trainer is saying he is an interesting case as you try him in a new bit he worries a bit but nothing extreme, then settles down and all seems perfect them suddenly one day out of the blue Bam! he runs into the bit takes it and panics.
 
That was a really touching story and gave me goosebumps. I have often questioned the viability of things like this.. but i guess you can only believe it when you see it.

Amazing.
 
I had a reaki healer and animal comunicator tell me my pony's problems stemmed from being dragged away from his mum when still only a few months old, and confined indoors and gelded before being sold by his breeder at six months old. Problem is he actually ran uncut with his dam and other mares until he was two and a half years old!

OP's post is quite freaky - how do you weed out the genuine ones (which her healer sounded like) from the charlatans I wonder?
 
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I had a reaki healer and animal comunicator tell me my pony's problems stemmed from being dragged away from his mum when still only a few months old, and confined indoors and gelded before being sold by his breeder at six months old. Problem is he actually ran uncut with his dam and other mares until he was two and a half years old!

OP's post is quite freaky - how do you weed out the genuine ones (which her healer sounded like) from the charlatans I wonder?

Recommendations I guess, you will always get people trying it on, which is sad.

But definitely word of mouth. :)
 
Surely despite your past experience if he bolts now anyway what do you have to loose by trying a bitless? More options out there than Dr Cooks or hackamore.
 
I had a reaki healer and animal comunicator tell me my pony's problems stemmed from being dragged away from his mum when still only a few months old, and confined indoors and gelded before being sold by his breeder at six months old. Problem is he ran uncut with his dam and other mares until he was two and a half years old!

OP's post is quite freaky - how do you weed out the genuine ones (which her healer sounded like) from the charlatans I wonder?

Exactly one attempt at this before a photo communication told me that he was very very dominant and I was scared of him the reality is he is a total poof who desperatly wants to please all the time and if he does ever do anything he shouldn't a simple "oi" results in a "oh god I'm sorry I didn't mean it" he also gets regularly beaten up by the 18month old who he shares his paddock with.

I think my biggest surprise was that she did not need to have come up with someting as far fetched I gave her the out of simply saying "yep crap breaking"

Very weird but I will not be quite so quick to dismiss again.

All I wish is that he actually knew which bit he needed so I could simply order him two and have done with it:-)))
 
Chavhorse, i thought nathe or happy mouth might be best, as no metal, but if you've tried those already and they weren't the answer, you could try a Hippus (i have some) as they are made of medical-grade stainless steel, so no nasty leaching of oxides into saliva. very mild action (designed by an EDT). pm me if you want to try one.
i know what you mean about bitless, i had a youngster try to bronc me off in a nurtural bridle (put on because she'd had dental work) and i could NOT pull her head up to stop her broncing, wasn't fun at all for a few minutes, v lucky we were in the stable so she couldn't run off!
hackamores... some horses really respect them, some less so. there are of course different types, the German hackamore cf the English hackamore etc. i have a nice collection hanging on my tackroom wall so if you want to borrow, let me know!
 
About a year before my mare was PTS we had a lady on the yard who practiced reiki and claimed to be psychic. My mare kept going male behind and I thought, heck why not! I will let her have a look.
Until I moved to the UK and had a UK vet find out what was wrong with the mare, this lady was the only one ever to say her problems were stemmed from her back, specifically just behind the saddle area.
Thats where her slipped disk was..
I have kept an open mind ever since that.
 
Aimee tb - Well his breeder is in the extreme South of the country so she could but doubtful. She does not do photo sessions as she likes to actually work with the horse after communicating and she also says it is vital to ask the horse if there is anything else they need and hear them sigh to end the session which you can not do with a photo reading.QUOTE]

Thats ashame, I bet she wouldnt come to England would she!? LOL

Sounds amazing, I'm really touched! xxx
 
Surely despite your past experience if he bolts now anyway what do you have to loose by trying a bitless? More options out there than Dr Cooks or hackamore.


We have put him back into the side pull with only a rubber bar for him to hold in his mouth, I think we will probably end up going down the bitless route to be honest and I will just have to learn to get over my fear of my past experience.
 
Chavhorse, i thought nathe or happy mouth might be best, as no metal, but if you've tried those already and they weren't the answer, you could try a Hippus (i have some) as they are made of medical-grade stainless steel, so no nasty leaching of oxides into saliva. very mild action (designed by an EDT). pm me if you want to try one.
i know what you mean about bitless, i had a youngster try to bronc me off in a nurtural bridle (put on because she'd had dental work) and i could NOT pull her head up to stop her broncing, wasn't fun at all for a few minutes, v lucky we were in the stable so she couldn't run off!
hackamores... some horses really respect them, some less so. there are of course different types, the German hackamore cf the English hackamore etc. i have a nice collection hanging on my tackroom wall so if you want to borrow, let me know!


We haven't tried the happy mouth as yet that will be stage two after he has got used to carrying the rubber bar with the sidepull, we will try the happy mouth along with the sidepull then try the reins on the happy mouth to see what happens.....thankfully my trainer has a veritable bit bank to try out and is convinced that one day we will try the cheapest grottiest bit around and hey presto that will be the one.

We are going to take him over to my Holistric vet for a full checkover to just ensure there is nothing else going on and see if he suggests some bach remedy's for his irrational fear which may or may not help.

Failing all this it will be taking him back and re-starting him in a bitless just to make sure the job is done properly....it is a work in progress I think:-)

Thanks for the offer of equipment if needed.
 
and a large brandy to help you get over the shock.

I've been through a similar experience with a previous horse. Among other things could never understand why he stood & trembled when tall, blond men spoke to me or him. Seems he his was broken (in more ways than one) by just such a man. hence is aversion to tall, blond men. Just goes to show we never really know our horses.
 
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Wow amazing story - I am always open minded with these type of things. Mainly because I want to believe them. Also if it is all mumbo jumbo then they are still very perceptive people and what they say could help.

It's like a placebo pill...if you believe in it, it might work.

I hope you find the perfect bridle and bit for your boy.
 
We used to have a very unhappy gelding and all sorts of bits later he was happiest in the myler comfort snaffle - no nutcracker action.

he was a bolter as well.

Now I ride in the Parelli hackamore - soft rope, but with a good feel and weight. He's brilliant in it and never been happier. My 11 year old son rides him much of the time.

Bits are entirely illusory - because the control doesn;t come from there if the horse is anxious.
 
Wish your person was over here...


Sceptisicm (can't spell) apart, I could do with someone who would explain why the Dizz is a donk with her head/mouth. Tried more bits than you could shake a stick at, still a donk :cool:

We're now onto a plain and simple stainless steel mullen mouth egbut. Or at least D1 will be the test pilot next week with it. Currently in a Happy Mouth mullen mouth egbut, but it feels too thick and thuggish and she still is a bit batty with her head. Tried a hackemore. Oops.
 
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