Passport change of ownership question

[spacefaer]

Just wondering if anyone else has had this issue

I've just bought a horse from Ireland which has a France Galop passport. He was bred in France and sold as a foal to his Irish owner.
Any idea how I change the ownership on the passport?
I've looked at the France Galop website and all I can see is how to own a racehorse in France
I think I'm being thick

 

[eggs]

Ask the previous owner how they did the change of ownership?

 

[Barton Bounty]

Meeeee ive just been through the rigmarole

Drop me a pm , ill tell you how to so it

 

[spacefaer]

Ask the previous owner how they did the change of ownership?

I'm not sure they did. I can't find their name in the passport

 

[Barton Bounty]

I'm not sure they did. I can't find their name in the passport

They wont have, they wont have wanted the hassle

 

[spacefaer]

Meeeee ive just been through the rigmarole

Drop me a pm , ill tell you how to so it

Ooh fab - how is it done??

 

[criso]

You need to do it with Sire/ifce

https://www.ifce.fr/ifce/sire-demarches/au-cours-de-la-vie-du-cheval/carte-immatriculation/achat-vente-gestion-propriete/achat-cheval/

If that's not in English, you should be able to change it.

French passports don't have the horses name, it's an ID doc and ownership is registered on their database.

 

[Barton Bounty]

Its a nightmare and its all in french you will need to use google translate as the form they tell you to download is also in french.

You have to make an account with the icfe

 

[criso]

My phone let's me select English but the link goes to the French.

Forms will be in french though as was my passport but A level french got me through.

 

[Barton Bounty]

My phone let's me select English but the link goes to the French.

Forms will be in french though as was my passport but A level french got me through.

Yeah and you very kindly helped me too

 

[criso]

Yeah and you very kindly helped me too

And hopefully you'll be able to help spacefaer with over stamping which came in more recently.

 

[Barton Bounty]

And hopefully you'll be able to help spacefaer with over stamping which came in more recently.

I haven’t done that part yet. They only just confirmed he is in my name two days ago lol

 

[Barton Bounty]

This is what I will do next week for the overstamping

https://www.bhs.org.uk/media/cyyjy03o/sep-2021-bhs-overstamp-form.pdf

 

[Nasicus]

And hopefully you'll be able to help spacefaer with over stamping which came in more recently.

That bit is quite straight forward thankfully! Pick a passporting agency, fill out their overstamp form, give moneys and post passport. I had mine overstamped by the TGCA when I brought her over from Ireland and it was easy and painless which is a rarity these days!

 

[Barton Bounty]

That bit is quite straight forward thankfully! Pick a passporting agency, fill out their overstamp form, give moneys and post passport. I had mine overstamped by the TGCA when I brought her over from Ireland and it was easy and painless which is a rarity these days!

How much was it? BHS said only £20?

 

[Nasicus]

How much was it? BHS said only £20?

Was £50 with TGCA as a non-member, so it really depends on who you go with. I only went TGCA as I wasn't sure if I'd show in the future, otherwise I would have gone BHS.

 

[Barton Bounty]

Was £50 with TGCA as a non-member, so it really depends on who you go with. I only went TGCA as I wasn't sure if I'd show in the future.

Thats not bad thank you

 

[Rob1585]

The BEF will over stamp and change of ownership at the same time, it’s really easy and efficient. There’s no legal requirement to update ownership with the French, and risk you loose the passport. FYI it’s £30 with BEF.

National passports - British Equestrian

 

[criso]

The BEF will over stamp and change of ownership at the same time, it’s really easy and efficient. There’s no legal requirement to update ownership with the French, and risk you loose the passport. FYI it’s £30 with BEF.

National passports - British Equestrian

As the French passport is not proof of ownership just an ID doc and the ownership is separate, I didn't have to send it off.

There is nowhere in the french passport that records ownership. Nothing gets changed there when ownership changes.

I not only updated the ownership, I also updated when he was PTS so this is recorded on the database.

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

Dex still isn't registered as being mine, it's been 6 months. I've also never changed any previous horses ownership details - am I being stupid here or can I continue to procrastinate on it?

 

[marmalade76]

Dex still isn't registered as being mine, it's been 6 months. I've also never changed any previous horses ownership details - am I being stupid here or can I continue to procrastinate on it?

I haven't bothered with the last three I've had, two I only kept for 12 months and current one is an oldie, if I ever get questioned, I'll just say she's a loan

 

[Rob1585]

Dex still isn't registered as being mine, it's been 6 months. I've also never changed any previous horses ownership details - am I being stupid here or can I continue to procrastinate on it?

It is a legal requirement, but unlikely to get into trouble about it, unless you catch the authorities attention for something else. The more likely things it might cause you grief is claiming on insurance for loss of use/mortality if it’s not in your name. Also if you lost your horse, anyone checking the national database, your details wouldn’t be listed.

 

[Barton Bounty]

Dex still isn't registered as being mine, it's been 6 months. I've also never changed any previous horses ownership details - am I being stupid here or can I continue to procrastinate on it?

I would wait till you move house then do it

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

I would wait till you move house then do it

good point!

It is a legal requirement, but unlikely to get into trouble about it, unless you catch the authorities attention for something else. The more likely things it might cause you grief is claiming on insurance for loss of use/mortality if it’s not in your name. Also if you lost your horse, anyone checking the national database, your details wouldn’t be listed.

He's not insured for LOU or death so not to worried about that - loss is more worrying

 

[Barton Bounty]

good point!



He's not insured for LOU or death so not to worried about that - loss is more worrying

I didn’t remember that I had BB insured for death, which gave me a little more towards my vet fees. It was only when I claimed they told me, doesnt make it hurt less though. But I have insured Orby for the same

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

I didn’t remember that I had BB insured for death, which gave me a little more towards my vet fees. It was only when I claimed they told me, doesnt make it hurt less though. But I have insured Orby for the same

I have found that with most insurances death has to be within BEVA guidelines, and if my horse had a snapped leg or something equally requiring immediate PTS, I am absolutely not wasting any time getting the ok from my insurance comapny to do it - hence I've never bothered with it.

 

[Barton Bounty]

I have found that with most insurances death has to be within BEVA guidelines, and if my horse had a snapped leg or something equally requiring immediate PTS, I am absolutely not wasting any time getting the ok from my insurance comapny to do it - hence I've never bothered with it.

Ahhh mine didnt need that, they got the verification from the vet and all sorted.
Weird, why would you call them first? Surely you make the best decision at the time and then vet verifies it. Bizarre